Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

lawrencesummers

ek motor wrote: »

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-no-transmission-coronavirus-tweet-was-to-appease-china-guardian-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

Good article regarding WHO's infamous "no evidence of human-to-human transmission" tweet.

Truly an incompetent and cowardly organisation.

You will do well to find any decision makers who are responsible for reacting to this that haven’t made mistakes.

We have made plenty here in Ireland, the administrators of both countries either side of us have made far greater mistakes, and in some instances continue to do so.

This pandemic is a first for all involved, the scale and spread has never been seen before. It’s inevitable that mistakes will be made.

The amount of hindsight “experts” that will crawl out of the woodwork in the next few months proclaiming a load of “I told you so” and if only you listened to me bullshyt is going to be sickening.

zinfandel

lawrencesummers wrote: »

You will do well to find any decision makers who are responsible for reacting to this that haven’t made mistakes.

We have made plenty here in Ireland, the administrators of both countries either side of us have made far greater mistakes, and in some instances continue to do so.

This pandemic is a first for all involved, the scale and spread has never been seen before. It’s inevitable that mistakes will be made.

The amount of hindsight “experts” that will crawl out of the woodwork in the next few months proclaiming a load of “I told you so” and if only you listened to me bullshyt is going to be sickening.

Well said, nobody was prepared for the scale of this especially our little country and have had to react with little time for thought, decisions being made that would normally take months in hours , some good , some bad.

Gynoid

I find it interesting to hear from other places like Vietnam, about what is going on. And teaching English as a foreign language is as good a work as any other. Might do it meself some day. It would be interesting to get regular reports from anywhere, Spain, Italy, France, Brazil, Ecuador, Iceland, Sweden, India, Africa, anywhere. And masks protect people. They are an ancient and instinctive mechanism for protection.

Gynoid

zinfandel wrote: »

Well said, nobody was prepared for the scale of this especially our little country and have had to react with little time for thought, decisions being made that would normally take months in hours , some good , some bad.

I am not sure about that. Or perhaps it was fear of looking like chicken lickens that hamstrung people. Way back when I started to hear about Wuhan in January I got really bad vibes. But once Italy started every person in authority should have had a fire in their pants and been rushing into gearing up. But that did not happen antwhere near the pace it should have. Right now is a lot better. In my work I have contact with public bodies and safety organisations and even up to one week before "lock down" their responses were laughably weak. There were many who had the safety of others within their remit but who reacted with a hard chaw kind of disdain. There was even bullying from those higher up the food chain. That was what I saw. Sure, it is anecdotal.

lawrencesummers

Gynoid wrote: »

I find it interesting to hear from other places like Vietnam, about what is going on. And teaching English as a foreign language is as good a work as any other. Might do it meself some day. It would be interesting to get regular reports from anywhere, Spain, Italy, France, Brazil, Ecuador, Iceland, Sweden, India, Africa, anywhere. And masks protect people. They are an ancient and instinctive mechanism for protection.

Not only reports, but in the debates about relaxation of restrictions travel is going to be key, and allowing international travel from countries such as the UK and USA is a major consideration.

What Brazil are doing is going to be interesting also.

Lillyfae

Lillyfae wrote: »

Thanks Captain Hindsight, that’s just what we need. I’m sure we’re all dying for your Vietnam correspondence.

Hindsight implies something is over. It's not. Simple things could be enacted that would make it less likely that my parents get it. If you aren't dying for correspondence from countries having some success with certain measures, you're just dying.

Hamsterchops

threeball wrote: »

Well there are 3 distinct strains of the virus. Its possible one of them only mutated in 2020. Maybe the Ugandans are ahead of the game.

I thinks there are enough questions regarding Covid-19 without introducing Covid-20 into the mix.

Is Covid-20 a recognised virus?

Kermit.de.frog

Extraordinary

ek motor

lawrencesummers wrote: »

You will do well to find any decision makers who are responsible for reacting to this that haven’t made mistakes.

We have made plenty here in Ireland, the administrators of both countries either side of us have made far greater mistakes, and in some instances continue to do so.

This pandemic is a first for all involved, the scale and spread has never been seen before. It’s inevitable that mistakes will be made.

The amount of hindsight “experts” that will crawl out of the woodwork in the next few months proclaiming a load of “I told you so” and if only you listened to me bullshyt is going to be sickening.

Nothing to do with 'hindsight'.

China knew about human-to-human transmission at the time, and to be fair the WHO's Dr Maria Van Kerkhove did try to warn about the impending pandemic . The point is they issued the 'no evidence of human-to-human transmission' tweet in order to appease the CCP.

lawrencesummers

ek motor wrote: »

Nothing to do with 'hindsight'.

China knew about human-to-human transmission at the time, and to be fair the WHO's Dr Maria Van Kerkhove did try to warn about the impending pandemic . The point is they issued the 'no evidence of human-to-human transmission' tweet in order to appease the CCP.

And they later changed their position on it. Just like other countries have changed their position on travel, face masks, therapeutics, restrictions etc etc.

Let the organisation that made no mistake berate them for that mistake.

thecretinhop

ek motor wrote: »

Nothing to do with 'hindsight'.

China knew about human-to-human transmission at the time, and to be fair the WHO's Dr Maria Van Kerkhove did try to warn about the impending pandemic . The point is they issued the 'no evidence of human-to-human transmission' tweet in order to appease the CCP.

spot on. Taiwan had clear evidence of h2h transmission and sent research to WHO they ignored it.
once it got bad all flights internally in China were stopped but flights to rest of the world continued.
i now genuinely think China not only did not care it spread to eu us. but wanted it to happen. i.e if we are fkd we are at a disadvantage so fk it lets fk rest of world up to so they dont have advantage the ccp are batsht crazy enough to do this imo

coastwatch

South Korea reports just 8 new cases, the first time in two months for single digit new cases.
South Korea was the worst affected country after China at one time.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-single-digit-new-cases-in-south-korea-for-first-time-since-february-1.4232622

whisky_galore

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I am getting the impression that the abandonment of nursing homes could be a big story over the next few months. We've seen cases abroad of it happening wide scale.


The amount of Nursing home jobs I have seen advertised on the likes of indeed over the just few weeks would suggest staffing levels are very very low

I'd love to know where the money goes in these homes, you pay 1k or more a week as a resident and staff get paid buttons.

timmy_mallet

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Extraordinary

That blue lines for 2020 will be close to 0

Come the end of the year will be interesting to see the cumulative count of the black one

Discodog

Meanwhile in the UK :pac:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/camper-van-escort-still-seeing-21888849

ek motor

Discodog wrote: »

Meanwhile in the UK :pac:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/camper-van-escort-still-seeing-21888849

7 men an hour ?! Wow

Kivaro

With less than 10 new Covid-19 cases reported in South Korea, let's do what they did to bring it to this amazing level. Hint: It will involve more testing.

Also, with zero deaths reported in Thailand today, I am officially requesting that when the lock down is over in Ireland, that the Government sends us all on a free holiday there for a couple of weeks. (Us all = those of us who played by the rules during the lock down).

silverharp

Any word on Best Korea's leader li'l Kim ? apparently he has not attended some events he normally would have? if he caught the virus it wouldn't be kind to his metabolically challenged fat ass

whisky_galore

Discodog wrote: »

Meanwhile in the UK :pac:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/camper-van-escort-still-seeing-21888849

Jesus.
A sniper wouldn't take her out.

Be right back

whisky_galore wrote: »

Jesus.
A sniper wouldn't take her out.

And she says she is in her 30s! What a life to lead.

jackboy

silverharp wrote: »

Any word on Best Korea's leader li'l Kim ? apparently he has not attended some events he normally would have? if he caught the virus it wouldn't be kind to his metabolically challenged fat ass

There is no virus in North Korea though.

Widdensushi

whisky_galore wrote: »

Jesus.
A sniper wouldn't take her out.

want to see a birth certificate if she is claiming to be in her thirties, feck sake, who would

Lillyfae

Gynoid wrote: »

I find it interesting to hear from other places like Vietnam, about what is going on. And teaching English as a foreign language is as good a work as any other. Might do it meself some day. It would be interesting to get regular reports from anywhere, Spain, Italy, France, Brazil, Ecuador, Iceland, Sweden, India, Africa, anywhere. And masks protect people. They are an ancient and instinctive mechanism for protection.

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Not only reports, but in the debates about relaxation of restrictions travel is going to be key, and allowing international travel from countries such as the UK and USA is a major consideration.

What Brazil are doing is going to be interesting also.

Agreed, but I could think of more reliable sources than a dude holed up in a two bedroom apartment with a laptop and no more access to information than you or I.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Extraordinary

For the US as a whole

crossman47

Deleted User wrote: »

How is it ripping through the nursing homes, infecting all residents, even with trained professional medical staff carrying it in; and not wiping out Lidl, Tesco, Aldi, Supervalue, Luas commuters, and much more?

The only reason I can think of is that it HAS already infected the supermarkets, and a large portion of the population, but hasn't caused them to go down sick.

There is no lightening rod vector striking the nursing homes.

People blame the staff but that's rubbish because the virus has struck everywhere.

It's just that the nursing homes are full of people who are unable to fight it off.

I think its that plus the fact staff have to be in close personal contact with patients for dressing, washing, etc

Gynoid

Lillyfae wrote: »

Agreed, but I could think of more reliable sources than a dude holed up in a two bedroom apartment with a laptop and no more access to information than you or I.

We are all just dudes or dudettes holed up in houses or apartments, except for the odd doctor or nurse on here, and even they disagree sometimes and can only report on their personal experiences.
Anyways what the heck are reliable sources these days? Giving up believing in newspapers happened for me around the same time I learned the horrible truth about Santy

lawred2

Discodog wrote: »

Meanwhile in the UK :pac:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/camper-van-escort-still-seeing-21888849

that's no life

lawrencesummers

Be right back wrote: »

And she says she is in her 30s! What a life to lead.

And she’s earning up to £5000 a week.

Gynoid

lawred2 wrote: »

that's no life

It is gruesome. For her. But also for the clients who are basically just....ugh too disgusting to conjure up images.

lawred2

lawrencesummers wrote: »

And she’s earning up to £5000 a week.

wonder does she pay NI and Income Tax!

lawrencesummers

Lillyfae wrote: »

Agreed, but I could think of more reliable sources than a dude holed up in a two bedroom apartment with a laptop and no more access to information than you or I.

It’s always good to get both sides, because both can have a skewed version of events.

lawrencesummers

lawred2 wrote: »

wonder does she pay NI and Income Tax!

pun intended I presume

Akrasia

tobefrank321 wrote: »

All our cases initially stemmed from travel abroad. We don't have wet markets here so none started here.

It just demonstrates the damage a relatively small number of imported cases can do.

Close contact likely means family or workplace. We need to do better on family transmission. And consider isolating positives outside the home.

Community means untraceable.

What, like lock them in the shed?

By the time a family member shows symptoms or gets a positive test result back, they have already probably infected their family. Their family might not show symptoms but they should be isolating household units, not just positive individuals

ek motor

Good article discussing the challenges of finding a vaccine

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

silverharp

jackboy wrote: »

There is no virus in North Korea though.

Boards need a laugh emoji along with the Thanks

lawred2

lawrencesummers wrote: »

pun intended I presume

gross...

Timberrrrrrrr

silverharp wrote: »

Boards need a laugh emoji along with the Thanks

:pac:

whisky_galore

Widdensushi wrote: »

want to see a birth certificate if she is claiming to be in her thirties, feck sake, who would

Birth cert? She would need to be carbon dated.

whisky_galore

This clown.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-20s-arrested-after-failing-to-stop-for-gardai-at-cork-coronavirus-checkpoint-994811.html

eagle eye

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

No I wouldn't.

What? We would have been much better off taking measures like them. We still need to take measures to improve things. Letting anybody in here without state supervised quarantine is insane and we are letting them in.

Lillyfae wrote:

Thanks Captain Hindsight, that’s just what we need. I’m sure we’re all dying for your Vietnam correspondence. But seeing as no other government or country, despite claims, have managed to contain this, I don’t see how the same criticism over and over is constructive, especially when trying to put a round democracy peg into a square communist hole.

Taiwan have done a great job with strict measures, New Zealand too.

Lillyfae wrote:

There is more than Covid-19 sputum at play here. Shortage of equipment, IC beds, economic catastrophe, mental health, annihilation of society as we know it, to name a few.

This is all down to an inept government and not just the current one.
The current one take the blame for the lack of action early on and as a result have hundreds of deaths in their hands.

ek motor

Russia reporting 6000+ new cases today

jibber5000

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

For the US as a whole

Yet our death rate is nearly identical to the US.

118 per million US
116 per million Ireland

The way it's portrayed by the media here we're doing a brilliant job and trump is leading them off a cliff.

All absolute nonsense of course.

Akrasia

ek motor wrote: »

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-no-transmission-coronavirus-tweet-was-to-appease-china-guardian-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

Good article regarding WHO's infamous "no evidence of human-to-human transmission" tweet.

Truly an incompetent and cowardly organisation.

I think the bigger issue with this WHO tweet, is the fact that so many people are so focused on a single nugget of data and using that as a stick to beat the WHO with as if it’s some kind of hive mind

There are tens of thousands of people working at the WHO, maybe 3 or 4 of those were involved in sending that tweet and they probably thought it was the right thing to say at the time, the early stages of a crisis when information was far from established.

You also have to remember that the WHO deals with many alerts of potential pandemics, the majority of them fizzle out on their own or with some interventions.

The WHO twitter feed has 50 thousand tweets. Since this outbreak has taken off in January, the vast majority of those tweets provided useful accurate information. And they have corrected the ‘no evidence of h2h transmission’ statement countless times yet people will still vilify the WHO and everyone associated with them.

It’s an organization that has flaws but is generally extremely well intentioned and exists almost solely for the betterment of mankind. The WHO led the eradication of Smallpox, it’s currently driving the control of TB, cutting TB infections in half over the last 20 years, saving 50 million lives, and it’s at the forefront of public health and vaccination programs all around the world

The anti WHO codology stems from the anti vaccine movement and other loopers with more free time than brain cells to rub together. Before you get sucked in by it, think about it first

growleaves

As a UK doctor put it, if you have a fever and a cough and you fall the stairs and break your neck you'll officially be classed as a coronavirus victim.

No post-mortems allowed for alleged covid victims, just add em to the stats.

zinfandel

ek motor wrote: »

Russia reporting 6000+ new cases today

the deaths are #fakenews though

ek motor

zinfandel wrote: »

the deaths are #fakenews though

How do you mean ?

Kermit.de.frog

growleaves wrote: »

As a UK doctor put it, if you have a fever and a cough and you fall the stairs and break your neck you'll officially be classed as a coronavirus victim.

No post-mortems allowed for alleged covid victims, just add em to the stats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6DEgywU-hM

blade1

whisky_galore wrote: »

This clown.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-20s-arrested-after-failing-to-stop-for-gardai-at-cork-coronavirus-checkpoint-994811.html

Looks like he stopped to me :pac:

bilston

Andrew00 wrote: »

How the f*ck do they not know if you get get re-infected with this virus?

Has there been anyone in Irelands who's got the virus, recovered and then got it again

I was thinking about this yesterday and I was thinking that maybe what the WHO statement on Friday meant s that it's not that they think large numbers of people will get re-infected, it's more that right now they can't prove that you can't get re-infected, probably because it's a novel virus and there isn't enough data yet.

Just how I've read it. They probably need to be quizzed by journalists a bit more on what exactly they meant

BanditLuke

ek motor wrote: »

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-no-transmission-coronavirus-tweet-was-to-appease-china-guardian-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

Good article regarding WHO's infamous "no evidence of human-to-human transmission" tweet.

Truly an incompetent and cowardly organisation.

Zero credit now im afraid. When we needed them most also.