Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Seamai

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Trump has left the building.

Did he ever enter it to begin?

Rob A. Bank

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Hobgoblin11

Ace2007 wrote: »

Just out interest where did you get that number from?

https://geohive.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/29dc1fec79164c179d18d8e53df82e96

JoChervil

New Home wrote: »

I would say it's paid by the residents through their fees.

But is this fee the same each month or is it changing accordingly to what is performed? Because if this fee stays the same, so nursing homes would pay then?

Hobgoblin11

Stheno wrote: »

Sigh

That's cumulative of all cases from the start.

Do you understand what that means?

what's your point? Cumulative or not there is community transmissions its no time to be letting the foot of the pedal and leading ourselves into a false sense of security , you can catch this thing in the supermarket or on the street still , sigh, is better the a wheeze at least

Ace2007

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

https://geohive.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/29dc1fec79164c179d18d8e53df82e96

So by your logic we had 571 deaths today?

ShineOn7

Some numbers, stats and more from the Reddit user who digests the daily government briefings into one handy read. I'm not sure why they're going back to Wednesday with some of these stats though?

This was posted by them today;

New Cases: 597 (Germany: 112) Total Cases: 13980
New Death: 44
Total Deaths: 530
Male: 25
Female: 19
Median Age: 84
Underlying conditions: 25



Of the 530 deaths

Hospitalised + died in hospital: 316
Died in ICU: 45
Underlying conditions: 430
Male: 308
Female: 222 Median age: 83
Mean age: 69
Range: 25-105
Of 296 in ICU

• Remain in hospital: 153
• Discharged: 98
• Died: 45
• Underlying conditions: 243 (82%)
• Median Age: 60

As of Wednesday 15th

• Cases: 13012
• In Hospital: 2082
• In ICU: 294
• Deaths: 521
• Clusters: 436
• Account for 2723 cases
• Median age infected: 48
• Healthcare workers: 26%

Clusters

• Residential Homes: 261 > 1628 - cases notified
• Nursing Homes: 166 > 1008 - cases notified

4 actions have been identified to help expand current information set we have relating to residential homes (nursing homes, mental health institutes, specialist disability services)

1. Survey of mortality in longterm residential settings - January to April - Covid and non Covid, whether in hospital or long term residential centre
2. Increase testing of staff at long term residential settings - starting with nursing homes, and is an action of scale. 30,000 staff work in nursing homes
3. HIQA going to make a Covid 19 document, looking at preparedness of residential and nursing homes
4. Urgent implementation of previously implemented actions. Want to continue to see implementation across the country.

• An action tracker implemented to see how actions are progressing

Questions

• Not recommending that people bring someone from a nursing home back to the family home. Standing up and enhancing quality care being provided to individuals. Working with HIQA to give independent reporting to give assurance that the right measures that are specific to protecting people living in these settings is being taken. Best, safest place is to stay in the nursing home facility.
• If you are worried about your relatives in a nursing home, ring up the nursing home and speak to the family members. This will be helpful to reassure people.
• Testing to be expanded to 100,000 tests a week, every week. Want this to kick in as soon as possible. Some of this is based on our hope of the disease following the pattern where the disease is dropping. Case definition may be re-defined by the end of next week, and larger testing implemented the week after. Know already that the HSE is already on the way to giving us that capacity, though might not necessarily be ready to provide that as of now. We want spare capacity to be used in the next week to 10 days to test more staff and patients.
• Backlog with 100,000 tests a week? We want to turn this around within a short period of time. Our intention is to have sampling and testing done on real time basis. If we are lifting restrictions, we need to be able to catch an increase in cases in community as quickly as possible, so we cannot be delaying with the kinds of delays we were dealing with heretofore.
• Aggressively test and pursue all suspected cases in nursing home settings - both residents and staff.
• Priority now is to tackle the disease in nursing homes
• Asked Tony Holohan about the Keelings 'controversy' - "Are you comfortable with companies chartering flights?" No. Didn't know about it until after it had happened. Says it isn't consistent with public health advice that we are currently giving. Advice has been clear and consistent. Doesn't want to be critical, as only knows whats being reported in media. The issue of travel is kept on the agenda, and what arrangements might need to be in place in airports/seaports if we were to lift restrictions
• Have NPHET any learnings from countries who have lifted restrictions? A bit early to tell yet. Particularly interested in those in Europe. Those changes have only happened recently so not enough information about disease control. Would need 2-3 weeks of data to review before being able to make decisions. These then will help make our own decisions
• Gown shortages - NHS told to work without them. Is this an issue? No, this was dire at the weekend, but multiple plane loads arrived with gowns today. All elements of PPE are hard fought for and secured. So we want right staff to have them. We have some concerns about some of the masks, but Kilmallock are able to provide us with masks. Demand however is unprecedented. Not at the stage where we would be asking for PPE to be reused. Demands is much higher, especially when you consider a Covid patient that needs to be turned often, as new PPE is required each time. Batch of reagent from China that the HSE said they would be taking a risk with, and testing would need to happen. Can we really on this? Yes, we can. There was no real concern, but it had not yet been reconciled within the lab. It was not a reagent, but a test kit instead.
• 44 deaths announced today - that doesn't mean all 44 of those happened overnight. When you plot notifications against days death occurred, the peak was on the 7th (39 deaths). Don't take this as a fall in deaths, as there is always a lag. Notifications of deaths have been increasing.
• Deaths notified on a certain date, are different from the dates they actually occurred.

Ace2007

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

what's your point?

his point is that 52% of all cases with community transmission, not 52% of new cases.

New Home

JoChervil wrote: »

But is this fee the same each month or is it changing accordingly to what is performed? Because if this fee stays the same, so nursing homes would pay then?

I would think it'd depend on the level of care required on a regular basis by the resident, i.e. a high-dependency patient (someone bed-ridden, or someone with advanced dementia or Alzheimer's but mobile) would be charged more than someone who's partially self-sufficient. There's usually a contract that needs to be signed when the person is admitted.

Nursing homes are businesses, they don't take on guests out of the goodness of their own heart.

LiquidZeb

J Mysterio wrote: »

Very concerned with state of play in the US with the many, many shockingly stupid Republicans out protesting across the country in big crowds. This will likely lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and risk a spread of 2nd wave transmissions bacm to the EU.

I can see harsh restrictions being put on travel to and from the US. EU flight routes will be up and running again in the coming months but I can see America having some restrictions outside of the main mandatory routes New York, DC etc.

joe_99

JoChervil wrote: »

I know nothing about nursing homes, so I am curious:

who pays for a care in a hospital of a resident of a nursing home? A resident or a nursing home?

Is treatment of Covid-19 in hospitals free?

We have a public health service. Why would they pay?

Stheno

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

what's your point?

52% community transmission is the total if all cases

Recent cases are less community transmission and more close contact e.g. nursing homes

Birdy

Reports in tomorrow's papers that schools in the UK will open on May 11th.

Hobgoblin11

Stheno wrote: »

52% community transmission is the total if all cases

Recent cases are less community transmission and more close contact e.g. nursing homes

Cumulative or not there is community transmissions its no time to be letting the foot of the pedal and leading ourselves into a false sense of security , you can catch this thing in the supermarket or on the street still , sigh, is better the a wheeze at least

Hobgoblin11

Ace2007 wrote: »

his point is that 52% of all cases with community transmission, not 52% of new cases.

I realise that cumulative or not there is community transmissions its no time to be letting the foot of the pedal and leading ourselves into a false sense of security , you can catch this thing in the supermarket or on the street still , sigh, is better the a wheeze at least

Hobgoblin11

Ace2007 wrote: »

So by your logic we had 571 deaths today?

no

BanditLuke

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Trump coming across like a half assed loan shark demanding payment

Loan sharks have more sense.

Ace2007

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Cumulative or not there is community transmissions its no time to be letting the foot of the pedal and leading ourselves into a false sense of security , you can catch this thing in the supermarket or on the street still , sigh, is better the a wheeze at least

If we have no new infections or deaths for the next 3 weeks, the community transmission would still be 52%

I don't think you understand that?

JP Liz V1

JoChervil wrote: »

I know nothing about nursing homes, so I am curious:

who pays for a care in a hospital of a resident of a nursing home? A resident or a nursing home?

Is treatment of Covid-19 in hospitals free?

Yes

J Mysterio

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I can see harsh restrictions being put on travel to and from the US. EU flight routes will be up and running again in the coming months but I can see America having some restrictions outside of the main mandatory routes New York, DC etc.

I would hope so, but obviously we are very reliant on the US, and Trump is very volatile, so any impositions on the US will risk a totally disproportionate response.

Hobgoblin11

Ace2007 wrote: »

If we have no new infections or deaths for the next 3 weeks, the community transmission would still be 52%

I don't think you understand that?

yes i do, unlikely though

MrMusician18

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Watch Global Citizen’s All-Star ‘One World: Together at Home’ COVID-19 Charity Special live now and through the night.

Virtual concert features the Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, Elton John, Billie Eilish, Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, Lizzo and dozens more.

The special — hosted by late-night TV’s Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon — will also feature Alicia Keys, Stevie Wonder, Kacey Musgraves, Celine Dion, Usher, Eddie Vedder, Chris Martin, J Balvin, John Legend, Camila Cabello, Shawn Mendes, Pharrell Williams, Sam Smith, Billie Joe Armstrong and LL Cool J.

Matthew McConaughey, Awkwafina, Amy Poehler, Lupita Nyong’o, Ellen DeGeneres, Victoria Beckham, Idris Elba and Kerry Washington are among the celebrities partaking in the special, which will raise money for the COVID-19 Solidarity Response Fund, as well as local and regional charities providing food, shelter and healthcare to those in need.

What would we do without celebrities...:rolleyes:

JoChervil

joe_99 wrote: »

We have a public health service. Why would they pay?

New Home has said residents pay through their fee. I guess not for all people it is a public health service.

LiquidZeb

J Mysterio wrote: »

I would hope so, but obviously we are very reliant on the US, and Trump is very volatile, so any impositions on the US will risk a totally disproportionate response.

Hopefully keeping the bare minimum of US routes to the EU will placate him. Anything after DC and NY people should just use the carriers within the States

ElTel

Ace2007 wrote: »

That's all case from the start, it's not the current rate of community transmission.

Like if you think that page shows you that we have 52% transmission in the community - you would also have to read that as us having 571 deaths today and 14,758 infections, but we all know they are the totals.

Ah, I get you.
Roughly, those % where 65 20 15 a month ago.
Targeted testing and contact tracing have naturally bumped up the close contact percentage.

The trend graphs will show a rise if the RO rises/social distancing slackens.

Would any change take 14 days to show up? What I mean is when would any effects from Easter show in the graphs?

coastwatch

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

yes i do

It was confirmed at the briefing yesterday that community transmission is now close to zero.

ACitizenErased

coastwatch wrote: »

It was confirmed at the briefing yesterday that community transmission is now close to zero.

I think you'd be better off going outside and shouting that into the abyss, it'd be more effective.

Hobgoblin11

coastwatch wrote: »

It was confirmed at the briefing yesterday that community transmission is now close to zero.

that's been said already

Hobgoblin11

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think you'd be better off going outside and shouting that into the abyss, it'd be more effective.

what abyss?

Quantum Erasure

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Why the f*ck are people on here constantly complaining about the number of people out? If it's within 2km of their homes they can do whatever they want. Community spread is 'virtually zero' according to Dr. Nolan.

doesn't look like that in the graphs, unless they haven't been updated for today