Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

zinfandel

ek motor wrote: »

How do you mean ?

360 deaths on 43,000 cases is hardly accurate( cases are believed to be x 10 times ) the hospitals are at capacity and not taking any more cases.

Happy4all

growleaves wrote: »

As a UK doctor put it, if you have a fever and a cough and you fall the stairs and break your neck you'll officially be classed as a coronavirus victim.

No post-mortems allowed for alleged covid victims, just add em to the stats.

Nonsense statement. Can you provide a link?

Akrasia

jibber5000 wrote: »

Yet our death rate is nearly identical to the US.

118 per million US
116 per million Ireland

The way it's portrayed by the media here we're doing a brilliant job and trump is leading them off a cliff.

All absolute nonsense of course.

Except we flattened the curve a week ago and are declining and maintain social distancing while the US are still surging with some states already lifting their restrictions incredibly prematurely
In 2 weeks, Ireland could be almost virus free while the US will be struggling to trace contacts from the stupid protests that are happening this weekend

The US president is basically encouraging half the population to ignore the social distancing advice

ek motor

Andrew00 wrote: »

How the f*ck do they not know if you get get re-infected with this virus?

Has there been anyone in Irelands who's got the virus, recovered and then got it again

Its too early to say, we simply don't know how long immunity lasts once you recover from infection. Could be months or years. Research is ongoing.

Movementarian

jibber5000 wrote: »

Yet our death rate is nearly identical to the US.

118 per million US
116 per million Ireland

The way it's portrayed by the media here we're doing a brilliant job and trump is leading them off a cliff.

All absolute nonsense of course.

You're looking at a point in time there and drawing a conclusion way too early. US cases are growing faster then ours which will mean more ICU cases and sadly more deaths. They are being lead towards a cliff if lockdown measures arent being coordinated across the various states that share borders etc. They have also effectively not ramped up testing in many states so the chances are theres a lot of spread thats not being caught. In that regard we are doing a much better job.

Akrasia

growleaves wrote: »

As a UK doctor put it, if you have a fever and a cough and you fall the stairs and break your neck you'll officially be classed as a coronavirus victim.

No post-mortems allowed for alleged covid victims, just add em to the stats.

You don’t need a post Morten to check for infection status, a blood test will be enough

Multipass

Akrasia wrote: »

You don’t need a post Morten to check for infection status, a blood test will be enough

But you do need a post mortem to establish cause of death.

JanuarySnowstor

Does anyone know a store that's selling weedkiller such as roundup? They seem to be primarily shut

giveitholly

JanuarySnowstor wrote: »

Does anyone know a store that's selling weedkiller such as roundup? They seem to be primarily shut

Any stores near you selling farming supplies they might have it

Gynoid

Akrasia wrote: »

In 2 weeks, Ireland could be almost virus free

This is very unlikely. In Ireland. Or anywhere.

lawrencesummers

Multipass wrote: »

But you sometimes need a post mortem to establish cause of death.

Fixed

jibber5000

Movementarian wrote: »

You're looking at a point in time there and drawing a conclusion way too early. US cases are growing faster then ours which will mean more ICU cases and sadly more deaths. They are being lead towards a cliff if lockdown measures arent being coordinated across the various states that share borders etc. They have also effectively not ramped up testing in many states so the chances are theres a lot of spread thats not being caught. In that regard we are doing a much better job.

The death rates have been almost identical for the past two weeks. Even if the spread is not being caught it is really the mortality rate that is the key?

According to the latest UW model from 16/04 The total deaths for Florida, California and Texas are now predicted to be 5,000.

Out of a combined population of over 100 million.

Florida has had very little adherence to social distancing from the outset but has less than 750 deaths so far.

Multipass

JanuarySnowstor wrote: »

Does anyone know a store that's selling weedkiller such as roundup? They seem to be primarily shut

Every cloud has a silver lining 😁

Multipass

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Fixed

Which are not allowed on covid positive patients..... who may have died from their underlying condition, skewing the statistics.

eagle eye

Movementarian wrote:

You're looking at a point in time there and drawing a conclusion way too early. US cases are growing faster then ours which will mean more ICU cases and sadly more deaths. They are being lead towards a cliff if lockdown measures arent being coordinated across the various states that share borders etc. They have also effectively not ramped up testing in many states so the chances are theres a lot of spread thats not being caught. In that regard we are doing a much better job.

As long as we allow people to enter Ireland without state monitored quarantine we are doing a terrible job.

lawrencesummers

Multipass wrote: »

Which are not allowed on covid positive patients..... who may have died from their underlying condition, skewing the statistics.

A lot of maybes in those statements..

Hobgoblin11

Minister Harris has also thrown into question large gatherings like GAA matches or festivals such as Electric Picnic.

amadangomor

Multipass wrote: »

Every cloud has a silver lining 😁

Exactly. Why anyone would want to use a known carcinogen to have their garden looking a bit tidier is beyond me.

Movementarian

jibber5000 wrote: »

The death rates have been almost identical for the past two weeks. Even if the spread is not being caught it is really the mortality rate that is the key?

According to the latest UW model from 16/04 The total deaths for Florida, California and Texas are now predicted to be 5,000.

Out of a combined population of over 100 million.

Florida has had very little adherence to social distancing from the outset but has less than 750 deaths so far.

From what has happened in other countries the spread can alter the mortality rate if hospitals are overwhelmed like what happened in New York at the start.

Key point as you said yourself is 'so far'. Modelsare based on current measures being maintained. The push for states to open again is happening right now and Trump is being quite dangerous in tweeting support which is encouraging gatherings for protests.

munsterlegend

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Minister Harris has also thrown into question large gatherings like GAA matches or festivals such as Electric Picnic.

I don’t think anyone is expecting large crowd events to take place this summer. Even the professional soccer leagues are gearing towards behind closed doors matches.

ek motor

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Minister Harris has also thrown into question large gatherings like GAA matches or festivals such as Electric Picnic.

Hard to see any festivals going ahead this year. I had tickets for the Pixies in July

ek motor

ek motor wrote: »

Its too early to say, we simply don't know how long immunity lasts once you recover from infection. Could be months or years. Research is ongoing.

We have a few corona viruses doing the rounds every year. What is the immunity like for them.

ceadaoin.

Akrasia wrote: »

Except we flattened the curve a week ago and are declining and maintain social distancing while the US are still surging with some states already lifting their restrictions incredibly prematurely
In 2 weeks, Ireland could be almost virus free while the US will be struggling to trace contacts from the stupid protests that are happening this weekend

The US president is basically encouraging half the population to ignore the social distancing advice

"The US" is not all surging at all. Many places have flattened the curve, even NYC. Fact is, some parts of the US are ok to begin lifting their restrictions. Not fully of course, but gradually. Whether every state makes that choice at the right time remains to be seen.

The One Doctor

ek motor wrote: »

Hard to see any festivals going ahead this year. I had tickets for the Pixies in July

There's no way any large events will happen this summer. No chance. Too dangerous.

jibber5000

Movementarian wrote: »

From what has happened in other countries the spread can alter the mortality rate if hospitals are overwhelmed like what happened in New York at the start.

Key point as you said yourself is 'so far'. Modelsare based on current measures being maintained. The push for states to open again is happening right now and Trump is being quite dangerous in tweeting support which is encouraging gatherings for protests.

My point is their starting point was maybe a few days after ours but the vast majority of their states - new York, Michigan being the exceptions - have done really well.

If they keep their vulnerable adults cocooned and get their economy up and running it could work for them.

We are all only guessing about how things will work out.

BattleCorp

The One Doctor wrote: »

There's no way any large events will happen this summer. No chance. Too dangerous.

Agreed. Social distancing is here to stay for a long time.

We might get back to work slowly during the Summer if we get control on the spread of the virus but we are going to be a very long way away from normal.

ek motor

Deleted User wrote: »

We have a few corona viruses doing the rounds every year. What is the immunity like for them.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/can-you-become-immune-sars-cov-2-180974532/

According to this article the immunity ranges from between a 'matter of months and a couple of years'

Akrasia

Multipass wrote: »

But you do need a post mortem to establish cause of death.

The post I referred to mentioned falling down the stairs with a fever and a cough. If that person was confirmed to have coronavirus then it’s not unreasonable to link that death to the virus. People suffering from fever and shortness of breath would be at much higher risk of falling down the stairs

If someone fell down the stairs after drinking a bottle of whiskey, would you consider that death as alcohol related?

Drumpot

jibber5000 wrote: »

Yet our death rate is nearly identical to the US.

118 per million US
116 per million Ireland

The way it's portrayed by the media here we're doing a brilliant job and trump is leading them off a cliff.

All absolute nonsense of course.

We have been closed up mostly for weeks so it would be reasonable to assume we are coming to the tipping point of our peak. USA is only at the start and many states are already talking about opening up again. Unless the rest of the world got it wrong (possible I suppose) , the USA is about to go into overdrive and their president is stoking up civil unrest. But I do agree we should focus more on ourselves as it easy to be distracted by our friends across the Atlantic or Irish Sea.

You can’t really judge how Ireland is performing with ever changing environment and disjointed data that’s just not like for like. How countries record data and make it publicly available is different. There is a lag with some information that’s not corrected for weeks As countries learn to deal with managing the virus. There are over 50 states dealing with it their own way so it’s no surprise that they all over the shop. Would you put it past some states (Texas) suppressing information so they can open up again?

Nursing homes seems to not only be a problem in Ireland by the looks of things. That’s not good enough but I’m not sure we can be singled out there. Same with PPE equipment. It’s not that it’s ok for these to be issues , it’s that it’s a global issue.

An even bigger issue is populations absolute ignorance and continued “blame government/China/Nicholas Cage/anybody else” solutions/strategy’s. Nothing ever seems to be learned from crisis, put the fire out, forget everything learned and move on. What is our role as a population in what has happened? How much resources have we demanded be put into nursing homes and to protect our vulnerable? We have no infrastructure in place to help our most vulnerable when they need us most, what does that say about us as a society? What do we do as a nation to prepare ourselves for crisis. We all rememeber the salt scenario for the cold spells, we really don’t like planning for much in this country and a lot of people take “that’s scaremongering” approach to crisis planning , which is ridiculous.

If everybody in the world and populations took ownership of the issues facing that country (instead of blaming somebody or something else) the world would be in much better shape. Changing governments solves nothing and only serves to give the impression of change. SF, FF, FG, Lab, Ind, Greens are voted in by the same people demanding the same things.

jibber5000

Akrasia wrote: »

Except we flattened the curve a week ago and are declining and maintain social distancing while the US are still surging with some states already lifting their restrictions incredibly prematurely
In 2 weeks, Ireland could be almost virus free while the US will be struggling to trace contacts from the stupid protests that are happening this weekend

The US president is basically encouraging half the population to ignore the social distancing advice

The vast majoroty of US states have flattened the curve too. I think the ones that do open up will do so gradually and in a safe manor.

Do we even know our exit strategy? We're going to have to open up eventually.