Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

fritzelly

sonofenoch wrote: »

As many as that? ok

I would have thought that quite low - 2 to 4 people per county per day - births are nearly double that rate.

beerguts

IS there any update regarding the testing backlog. Where is it now in regard to patient samples remaining to be tested? When will it be cleared or if it will be cleared?

deaglan1

Deaths/One Million Population for ourselves and near neighbours with similar population densities

Northern Irl. 65
Republic 82
Scotland 112
Wales 128


Problem is, what exactly is being recorded??? Here is a very interesting article referring to Northern Ireland that highlights the issues:
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/people/new-figures-could-be-true-reflection-covid-19-impact-ni-2537514

Nonoperational

For those interested I am on approx day 8 now. Feel ok still. Have a cough this evening with a small bit of chestiness to it. Still was able to get out and have a BBQ in the garden this evening. Don't feel normal though. Have a strange detachment and fatigue. I still have no sense of smell. I can't complain given the way some are suffering. I managed a 30 minute work out this morning because I though I was through it, but maybe I am paying for that this evening. Probably wansn't the smartest.

howareyakid

It’s going to be a long road to recovery. Until such time as a vaccine is available - which is to all intents and purposes, a big imponderable - it’s looking like there’ll some form of preventive measures in place. Let’s hope we can keep working to try and flatten the curve.

Seamai

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Ireland...

17th in the world for deaths
20th in the world for cases
124th in the world for population

It takes some spinning to put a positive gloss on those shocking figures.

You might want to in include these while you're at it.

Now well inside the top 10 for testing rates per million when you exclude territories and micro states. This is going to make the rate of cases seem worse, plenty of less well off countries will have higher rates but but because of a lack resources we will never know how many cases they've had.

Also as we are including care home deaths of course our death rates are going to be higher than some other countries.

podgeandrodge

howareyakid wrote: »

It’s going to be a long road to recovery. Until such time as a vaccine is available - which is to all intents and purposes, a big imponderable - it’s looking like there’ll some form of preventive measures in place. Let’s hope we can keep working to try and flatten the curve.

When we get a decent treatment, earlier than a vaccine, at least people can socialise a bit more in the knowledge that if they fall ill there is something to get.

Class MayDresser

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The IMF told the truth today

Very few comments on here about it

It's a total disaster

What did they say? Not a smart question just interested in what they predict...

Professor Moriarty

Nonoperational wrote: »

For those interested I am on approx day 8 now. Feel ok still. Have a cough this evening with a small bit of chestiness to it. Still was able to get out and have a BBQ in the garden this evening. Don't feel normal though. Have a strange detachment and fatigue. I still have no sense of smell. I can't complain given the way some are suffering. I managed a 30 minute work out this morning because I though I was through it, but maybe I am paying for that this evening. Probably wansn't the smartest.

Physician, heal thyself.

Atlantic Dawn

Discussion on Prime Time RTE1 about when a possible relaxation of the rules here will be able to commence.

JP Liz V1

Nonoperational wrote: »

As a frontline doctor I must disagree. Compared to what we planned for we are doing very well from a capacity and resources point of view. I'm sure you won't believe me but I have no loyalty to any politician I post my honest views here.

Thank You

Gynoid

sonofenoch wrote: »

As many as that? ok

Actually I did the sums myself now and it seems more in or around 84 - 85 average daily. Changes a bit every year.

fritzelly

fritzelly wrote: »

I'm not an economist but...
Business around the world is closed down or in semi hibernation - no one is trading bar essential items (food etc)
It's not like people are losing their jobs because there is no work - once this is all over things will start to go back to normal, people will still have money, the house they live in, booking holidays, business will start trading again - in fact there may well be a large pool of money to be pumped back in to the economy from all the savings being made at the moment.

Yeah GDP may go down but it's hardly going to be the worst recession ever - IMF are only thinking of themselves. In fact every few months they seem to come up with a new warning even tho the previous ones never materialised

Possibly, but with everything being mostly unknown about this hard to tell.

If people think there will be a global recession/depression then they will be more likely to hold off on buying anything but essential items, especially if they think that there is a chance that they will be unemployed again or for the first time and will possibly for some time.

Paying a mortgage etc would be impossible on the standard JSB amount of 203e and given a lot of the "won't someone please think of the economy" posters want this and other benefits cut now or after we are done with this, and the fact that benefits were cut in the last recession, they will need to finance these payments from their savings.

ihdxwz4a3pem9j

Kivaro wrote: »

And thank you for taking the time to post on here.
Your opinion really does matter to a lot of us.

I am also a frontline doctor. I think that we are doing a terrific job! I am very proud to be working for the HSE! I have no gripes against the system, nor have I seen anything that was terrible. I do not have any political affiliation. I am simply stating what I see. All levels of the HSE are producing one hell of a response against this virus. Stay safe everybody!

GM228

Seamai wrote: »

Also as we are including care home deaths of course our death rates are going to be higher than some other countries.

All countries are (or at least should be) reporting this also, although there appears to be a severe delay in some countries reporting such deaths.

Jim_Hodge

Class MayDresser wrote: »

What did they say? Not a smart question just interested in what they predict...

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0414/1130427-imf-expects-world-economy-to-shrink-by-3-this-year/

smelly sock

smelly sock wrote: »

Id say Sweden will sky rocket soon. Incredible what they are doing. They didnt learn anything from the brits in relation to hear immunity.

You spent all morning calling for our current restrictions to be done with and for shops hardware stores etc to be reopened, and you think that they are doing things wrong?

Vivienne23

The IMF are right this is going to be catastrophic economically wise ,

Consumer confidence will be gone

Many of the people laid off won’t have a job to go back to

Many small businesses will close they were just getting over the last recession and this year was going to be the money year where they might make a few bob , they won’t bother reopening cos it’s just not worth the hassle anymore

The IMF will try and print their way out of this devaluing the euro I see tough times ahead

But we will get through it once we have our health

howareyakid

Alisa Odd Wasp wrote: »

I am also a frontline doctor. I think that we are doing a terrific job! I am very proud to be working for the HSE! I have no gripes against the system, nor have I seen anything that was terrible. I do not have any political affiliation. I am simply stating what I see. All levels of the HSE are producing one hell of a response against this virus. Stay safe everybody!

Keep up the good work!

Strazdas

Alisa Odd Wasp wrote: »

I am also a frontline doctor. I think that we are doing a terrific job! I am very proud to be working for the HSE! I have no gripes against the system, nor have I seen anything that was terrible. I do not have any political affiliation. I am simply stating what I see. All levels of the HSE are producing one hell of a response against this virus. Stay safe everybody!

I'd add too that the HSE response seems to be the equal of the much vaunted NHS. They are showing they are capable of great professionalism under real pressure.

owlbethere

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

The latter paragraph is the best news of the day. The best option for stable government. We're going to need that.

For sure. The two of them working together will be the best option going forward. Mm didn't look too impressed though.

embraer170

There is a care home in a nearby city to where I am living now (central Germany). 100 residents with 60 or so infected with Covid-19: 16 have died, 43 are still infected with 16 hospitalised, and 4 have recovered.

I wonder how the final number will compare to clusters in care homes in Ireland. I have the impression (and I admit it might be entirely wrong) that care home residents in Germany do end up being transferred to hospital and not left to die in the care home.

Gynoid

An economic catastrophe is one of the things that happens when a novel infectious virus hops species and presents an unknown quantity of mortal danger to the human species. That is just the way things are.

GM228

podgeandrodge wrote: »

When we get a decent treatment, earlier than a vaccine, at least people can socialise a bit more in the knowledge that if they fall ill there is something to get.

It is possible a vaccine for SARS-CoV-2 could come long before any "decent" treatment for COVID-19.

caveat emptor

Vivienne23 wrote: »

The IMF are right this is going to be catastrophic economically wise ,

Consumer confidence will be gone

Many of the people laid off won’t have a job to go back to

Many small businesses will close they were just getting over the last recession and this year was going to be the money year where they might make a few bob , they won’t bother reopening cos it’s just not worth the hassle anymore

The IMF will try and print their way out of this devaluing the euro I see tough times ahead


But we will get through it once we have our health

Think you mean ECB. They'll print and devalue the euro. The US Fed will print and devalue the dollar. So what will be the difference. A rising tide lifts all boats equally and the opposite is also true. Won't be as bad as you think. Unless that is there are some nefarious elements seeking to capitalise on the situation and sabotage like the last time. Mortgage backed securities anybody?

Jim_Hodge

Vivienne23 wrote: »

The IMF are right this is going to be catastrophic economically wise ,

Consumer confidence will be gone

Many of the people laid off won’t have a job to go back to

Many small businesses will close they were just getting over the last recession and this year was going to be the money year where they might make a few bob , they won’t bother reopening cos it’s just not worth the hassle anymore

The IMF will try and print their way out of this devaluing the euro I see tough times ahead

But we will get through it once we have our health

It will be a strange type of recession and difficult to call. Some businesses will go under, others will struggle to get back to where they had been, and others will bounce back quickly. The cost of the shutdown and government spending as a result will have to be met and some countries will be better able to cope with it.
China, for instance, has this week recorded a surge in new car sales as things get back to normal. A dealer said sales seem to have been deferred rather than cancelled.

Achasanai

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The IMF told the truth today

Very few comments on here about it

It's a total disaster

Absolute disaster, but predicted a return to growth next year. I've seen other reports (much earlier last month) that suggested the same: severe recession/depression but rapid return to growth due to the nature of the crisis.

Michael Dwyer

As an aside, the epidemiologist speaking is Ruairi Brugha. Grandson of Cathal, reputedly shot 25 times in 1916. Kept himself alive singing God Save Ireland! Also anti treaty, anti Collins later.

His mam is Maire McSweeney, daughter of Terrence. So his other grandfather is Terrence McSweeney, who died in Brixton prison after a 74 day hunger strike in October 1920.

Coyote

Nonoperational wrote: »

For those interested I am on approx day 8 now. Feel ok still. Have a cough this evening with a small bit of chestiness to it. Still was able to get out and have a BBQ in the garden this evening. Don't feel normal though. Have a strange detachment and fatigue. I still have no sense of smell. I can't complain given the way some are suffering. I managed a 30 minute work out this morning because I though I was through it, but maybe I am paying for that this evening. Probably wansn't the smartest.

Hi Nonoperational

i know everyone wishes you the best and I'm not trying to tell a Doc how to mind them self but rest in bed is best till you know you are fully over it, day 7-9 are the hardest if you are affected in a bad way. i hope you feel 100% better in a day or two but please rest and let you body do it's work.

Regards

Coyote

fritzelly

caveat emptor wrote: »

Think you mean ECB. They'll print and devalue the euro. The US Fed will print and devalue the dollar. So what will be the difference. A rising tide lifts all boats equally and the opposite is also true. Won't be as bad as you think. Unless that is there are some nefarious elements seeking to capitalise on the situation and sabotage like the last time. Mortgage backed securities anybody?

You mean like a certain country...

stephenjmcd

beerguts wrote: »

IS there any update regarding the testing backlog. Where is it now in regard to patient samples remaining to be tested? When will it be cleared or if it will be cleared?

De Gascun mentioned earlier during on call for ireland on rte 1 that it's about 3k and would hope to have the backlog cleared in the next 48hrs

owlbethere

GM228 wrote: »

I suggested it a few weeks ago:-

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112904211

Thanks. It was in the back of my mind that we'll be in for a storm but to have it spelled out today.

Seamai

GM228 wrote: »

All countries are (or at least should be) reporting this also, although there appears to be a severe delay in some countries reporting such deaths.

Of course they should be included but there seem to be quite a few countries who haven't been that upfront about care home deaths. I read a suggestion on the Guardian's site today that it was felt that authorities in the UK have been conveniently ommiting them in order to keep the daily death figures below the thousand mark as breaking that threshold would be seen in a very negative light.

ihdxwz4a3pem9j

howareyakid wrote: »

Keep up the good work!

Thank you so much! I am extremely grateful to people! The level of kindness is amazing! I received random kind notes from neighbours that I spoke to maybe once. The hospital is a hopeful place at the minute. The morale is high.

Unfortunately, there is a lot of sadness at the minute. My housemate faces job uncertainty. My elderly relatives are lonely. But overall, I see people helping each other more. I see people genuinely caring how their neighbours’ wellbeing. Ireland is incredibly resilient. I think that collectively, we will get through this.

“Come what come may, time and the hour runs through the roughest day”

Atlantic Dawn

Looking at Prime Time now, nursing homes are a complete mess.

quartz1

I really really hope that The Government are tuned into the issues in our Nursing Homes . I really really hope that there's oversight on decisions not to move Elderly People for ICU Care

ZX7R

GM228 wrote: »

I suggested it a few weeks ago:-

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112904211

If anybody wants to read there full report from the IMF site heavy reading but it is not all doom and gloom as most media would have you to believe.
A 3% contracting of the world economy quickest shock seen in the markets since the great depression.
But they also believe Ireland to be one of the quickest out of recession with our recovery to bounce back as early as the first quarter next year.sadly they see our unemployment rate at worst will be as much as 12%
Dispite what most on here will tell you on here and the media. the IMF are expecting a quick recovery to the world economy with 5•8% growth for next year beginning the first quarter of next year.

caveat emptor

Heart Damage in COVID-19 Patients Puzzles Doctors
Up to one in five hospitalized patients have signs of heart injury. Cardiologists are trying to learn whether the virus attacks the organ



https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heart-damage-in-covid-19-patients-puzzles-doctors/

the.red.baron

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Looking at Prime Time now, nursing homes are a complete mess.

The big mistake in all this what not putting staff into nursing home to control it, you could easily see this weeks ago after Spain and Italy ml

Just leaving them to die

Roger_007

smelly sock wrote: »

Id say Sweden will sky rocket soon. Incredible what they are doing. They didnt learn anything from the brits in relation to hear immunity.

I reckon that Sweden have got it about right. They have implemented a strategy that allows a slow spread of the virus. The advantage of doing it that way is that they can continue that strategy for as long as is necessary without too much hardship on the population and without thrashing their economy. And it’s not as if they are doing nothing. They are implementing social distancing and have banned large gatherings and sporting events.
Even if our strategy works in suppressing the spread, it doesn’t solve the problem in the medium or longer term. We will have no herd immunity and will have to live with severe restrictions for a long time, or until a vaccine is found.
The economic damage that we are doing is colossal. It will take generations to repair the damage if we continue down this road for much longer.

deisedevil

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Looking at Prime Time now, nursing homes are a complete mess.

Those managing this situation have left the nursing homes down very badly. Nursing Homes have been screaming from the rooftops for more assistance and it fell on deaf ears. Until now. Too little too late again. Once again being reactive rather than proactive.

fritzelly

caveat emptor wrote: »

Heart Damage in COVID-19 Patients Puzzles Doctors
Up to one in five hospitalized patients have signs of heart injury. Cardiologists are trying to learn whether the virus attacks the organ

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heart-damage-in-covid-19-patients-puzzles-doctors/

Or they had issues to start with

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190131084238.htm

Rob A. Bank

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I don't believe in spinning in either direction. Your figures are equally spinning a negative.

Deaths are not comparable due to huge differences in reporting criteria and cases reflect Ireland being among the top countries for tests per million of population.

When the hell will people realise that this is not a competition and these comparisons are fruitless? People worldwide are becoming seriously ill. Every day families are grieving. Let's stop talking up, or down, the situation with spurious league tables.

I guess you are psychic if you can tell what is going on in my mind... useful skill that !

17th in the world for deaths = 406 very unfortunate people RIP
20th in the world for cases = 11,479 unfortunate people
124th in the world for population = 4,937,786 people
18th in the world for testing = 18,358/million pop (top 10 for testing if micro states are excluded)

The idea 104 countries above us in population are all being dishonest with their figures seems far fetched to me.

Likewise the idea that it is not possible to compare countries based on the figures provided by Worldometer is head in the sand stuff.

And I still think it still takes some spinning to put a positive gloss on the shocking figures above.

caveat emptor

Cabin fever spreading. Who’d have thought a ship might not be a great idea.

https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1249986584096710657?s=21

deisedevil

the.red.baron wrote: »

The big mistake in all this what not putting staff into nursing home to control it, you could easily see this weeks ago after Spain and Italy ml

Just leaving them to die

That's right. Nursing Homes wanted more assistance and they were ignored. The warning signs were there for all to see from.other countries but those managing this crisis waited too long to put in the necessary supports in time. Now we are playing catch up.

ihdxwz4a3pem9j

Roger_007 wrote: »

I reckon that Sweden have got it about right. They have implemented a strategy that allows a slow spread of the virus. The advantage of doing it that way is that they can continue that strategy for as long as is necessary without too much hardship on the population and without thrashing their economy. And it’s not as if they are doing nothing. They are implementing social distancing and have banned large gatherings and sporting events.
Even if our strategy works in suppressing the spread, it doesn’t solve the problem in the medium or longer term. We will have no herd immunity and will have to live with severe restrictions for a long time, or until a vaccine is found.
The economic damage that we are doing is colossal. It will take generations to repair the damage if we continue down this road for much longer.

There are several undergoing early-phase clinical trials at the minute. Obviously, to get through phase1-3 trials will take some time, but the pharmaceutical industry has a phenomenal ability to make things happen. Hopefully, we will have a vaccine in the not too distant future

Strazdas

embraer170 wrote: »

There is a care home in a nearby city to where I am living now (central Germany). 100 residents with 60 or so infected with Covid-19: 16 have died, 43 are still infected with 16 hospitalised, and 4 have recovered.

I wonder how the final number will compare to clusters in care homes in Ireland. I have the impression (and I admit it might be entirely wrong) that care home residents in Germany do end up being transferred to hospital and not left to die in the care home.

This was discussed at one of the Irish press conferences. In quite a few cases, people may not want to be transferred to hospital and would rather stay in the nursing home and take their chances.

Funsterdelux

Some more pessimistic news, Coronavirus distancing may need to continue until 2022, say experts

Cork Boy 53

Alisa Odd Wasp wrote: »

I am also a frontline doctor. I think that we are doing a terrific job! I am very proud to be working for the HSE! I have no gripes against the system, nor have I seen anything that was terrible. I do not have any political affiliation. I am simply stating what I see. All levels of the HSE are producing one hell of a response against this virus. Stay safe everybody!

Interesting. I wonder if you have had an opportunity to read the HSE consultant`s posts in this thread.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062219

While some of his comments re. the HSE tally with yours others are at odds with them. Any thoughts on this?

DevilsHaircut

Alisa Odd Wasp wrote: »

There are several undergoing early-phase clinical trials at the minute. Obviously, to get through phase1-3 trials will take some time, but the pharmaceutical industry has a phenomenal ability to make things happen. Hopefully, we will have a vaccine in the not too distant future

What are your thoughts on convalescent plasma/antibody therapy as a potentially quick route to treating the sickest patients? It seems that we're being a bit slow to join the other countries starting/investigating it.

https://ec.europa.eu/health/blood_tissues_organs/covid-19_en