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Sweden avoiding lockdown
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The post you are replying to listed the advantage to date.
60% less deaths and a better GDP. Even with lockdown.
With some workers in Sweden being regarded as being on forlough rather than being unemployed, then on unemployment figures it is difficult to make comparisons.
Bloomberg estimated at one stage that when those on furlough were included the true figure for Sweden was 17%. Same as here then as far as I recall. But you already know all this.
Ireland`s income tax returns were down by just 2% during lockdown, so rather than having to yet again repeat the above to you, why not do a bit of research yourself and tell me how the Swedish income tax returns were for the same period ?
On herd immunity, a very pot, kettle, black remark from someone who has posted the same Giesecke video interview so often that if it was a record the needle would have worn through at this stage.
At a conservative estimate I reckon 9 out of 10 times lately my mention of herd immunity has been due to you and others abject refusal to accept that certain e-mails even exist. Let alone show that from the outset herd immunity was at the heart of the Swedish strategy.
Those e-mails along with Annika Linde`s comments after the results of the first antibody results, and Karin Ulrika Olofdotter`s April interview on America`s National Public Radio now make it comically farcical to claim otherwise.
First in bold, Bloomberg estimated at some stage? Is that like a source? Is that your go to for Swedish unemployment/economy? :rolleyes:
2nd in bold, are you aware of VAT? How is VAT doing? Furthermore, how is Ireland doing in terms of expenditure this year? I can not believe that you keep living in this fantasy land of covid vaccines going through "usual" phases of testing and that Ireland will do better GDP, economy, unemployment wise than Sweden. This is very telling.
And all you could say is "bloomberg estimated" ..... Charlie you are not good at debating or putting forward a valid argument.
Lastly, that piece in bold, will you stop mentioning them emails already?? This is like insanity isnt it, you keep talking about herd immunity, some random emails, and expecting posters here to respond to that..
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mcsean2163 wrote: »In summary, things are really bad in the southern hemisphere of the America's and Australia but not southern Asia or Africa except for south Africa which is suffering a bit. Japan is fine too.
I've documented and published a preprint on researchgate of a correlation that might explain the pattern. I've emailed a lot of people. To my knowledge nobody has followed up my amateur work and that of at least three others reporting similar findings. I don't want to spread panic and have followed cautious channels but the complete lack of interest has been awful. I hope the remote scenario we describe is wrong and Christmas is not the month of bodybags.
Anyway, we'll know if Tegnell is right by April or whether the cautious approach would have been better.
Things are not bad in Australia and haven't been at any point.
Australia has 5 times the population of Ireland. It's one of the great success stories. It's pandemic death rate is one tenth that of Ireland's:
Australia's chart is in green because it's in the 'almost there' category, while Ireland is in red because it's in trouble.
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Ginger n Lemon wrote: »First in bold, Bloomberg estimated at some stage? Is that like a source? Is that your go to for Swedish unemployment/economy? :rolleyes:
2nd in bold, are you aware of VAT? How is VAT doing? Furthermore, how is Ireland doing in terms of expenditure this year? I can not believe that you keep living in this fantasy land of covid vaccines going through "usual" phases of testing and that Ireland will do better GDP, economy, unemployment wise than Sweden. This is very telling.
And all you could say is "bloomberg estimated" ..... Charlie you are not good at debating or putting forward a valid argument.
Lastly, that piece in bold, will you stop mentioning them emails already?? This is like insanity isnt it, you keep talking about herd immunity, some random emails, and expecting posters here to respond to that..
Why would I go trawling back through posts to again show you what I have shown you numerous times already on Bloomberg`s true figure of unemployment levels in Sweden when furlough is taken into account.
For your amusement ?
Because every time you were shown you choose to ignore. ?
You are to busy posting the first thoughts that come into your head to do your own research ?
On vaccines not going through the "usual" process`s you are either to lazy to do even the most basic research, or as so often with you because the facts do not suit your rhetoric, you have chosen to ignore them.
Even the most basic research on vaccine testing and the approval process would have shown you what the "usual" procedure as stipulated by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are, as I have already said, the exact same procedures as "usual" for any vaccine to be granted a license.
Why this obsession now that e-mails from Giesecke and Tegnell should be ignored and never mentioned. ?
Because it`s just another inconvenient truth that shows along with other publicly uttered statement that herd immunity was from the very outset at the heart of the Swedish strategy, rather than this unintended coincidence you kept mimicking from your Swedish heroes ?
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Have you now sank to the level of attempting to insinuate that I am incorrect that the procedures stipulated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are not being adhered to with these Covid-19 vaccines because "others" disagree ?
Or yet again are you just making noise and wasting peoples time by posting the first thing that enters your head on vaccine testing and approval where even the most basic research would have shown you just how wrong you yourself were ?
As far as I am concerned any interaction with you can not be looked on as debate.
No matter how many times posts addressing your "facts" and assumptions showing how incorrect they were, you just ignore them. Then after some time, back you come rehashing as if you never saw those posts.
You are now doing exactly the same. Not only on vaccines but attempting to ignore e-mails and other publicly express statements by authority figures in Sweden that clearly show what was at the very heart of the Swedish strategy.
Is it not now past time to just accept that your hero Giesecke, with his "it will all be over in in a month or two" back in March , sold you a mongrel pup that you have been parading around since as a pure-breed and move on.
Congratulations, your first post without mentioning herd immunity. Charlie I am proud of you
Now you need to replicate that success with these "emails" you keep bringing up. Fascinatingly enough, not a single other poster in this thread has ever brought up those "emails". Is that a clue?
On a more serious note, I can not believe that you call Swedish strategy a "mongrel pup". You are extremely arrogant and do not want to admit that their strategy is the winning one. You go 1 step further, you put it down. Incredible carry on. :eek:0 -
Ginger n Lemon wrote: »Congratulations, your first post without mentioning herd immunity. Charlie I am proud of you
Now you need to replicate that success with these "emails" you keep bringing up. Fascinatingly enough, not a single other poster in this thread has ever brought up those "emails". Is that a clue?
On a more serious note, I can not believe that you call Swedish strategy a "mongrel pup". You are extremely arrogant and do not want to admit that their strategy is the winning one. You go 1 step further, you put it down. Incredible carry on. :eek:
With you littering posts with emojis, your silly little barbs when your "facts" and assumptions are shown to be incorrect, and your attempts at misrepresenting what was said, you`re becoming more like a petulant 5 year old with every passing day.
To yet again having to address your latest attempt at misrepresenting what I said.
I did not call Sweden`s strategy a mongrel pup.
I said your hero Giesecke sold you a mongrel pup that you have been parading around as a pure-breed.
Surely even you can see that now after his assurance to his employers in March that "it would all be over in one or two months"
What is your obsession with these continuous attempts to have no mention of e-mails or statements that are in the public domain having been made by people in authority in Sweden ?
Especially when none of those involved have denied the content, or that they sent those e-mails. Nor have the others contested that what was broadcast and published was what they said.
Other than they expose your "facts" and assumptions for what they were that is.0 -
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Ginger n Lemon wrote: »Congratulations, your first post without mentioning herd immunity. Charlie I am proud of you
Now you need to replicate that success with these "emails" you keep bringing up. Fascinatingly enough, not a single other poster in this thread has ever brought up those "emails". Is that a clue?
On a more serious note, I can not believe that you call Swedish strategy a "mongrel pup". You are extremely arrogant and do not want to admit that their strategy is the winning one. You go 1 step further, you put it down. Incredible carry on. :eek:
I have too. Similarly ignored.
Swedish strategy was a formalised Euthanasia of the vulnerable. I wouldnt call that winning.
Also, their economy suffered more than neighbours, 4,000 assisted deaths with morphine, 6,000 covid deaths, 150,000 longhaul covid, and only 14% pop with immunity.
Restrictions again. Why are they not immune now?
Winning. Right.0 -
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