Sweden avoiding lockdown

charlie14

321123 wrote: »

So old people should stay locked in indefinite? Isn't the will of people at the end of their life something that should be considered? The nursing homes are split now between patients that wants visits and the ones that don't want. The visits are planned in advance and the patient always has the last say if they are not under guardianship.

Why are you repeating the same junk? Last time you wrote the same crap I responded. The areas in Stockholm that were hit hard in the spring (Tensta/Rinkeby, parts of Södertälje etc) are the areas with the lowest spread at the moment while the areas with high spread in Stockholm are the wealthy apartment areas in the inner city (Östermalm, Vasastan, Norrmalm) and the suburbs out on the islands (Vaxholm - like Sandymount but with larger and detached houses). So the areas with very high rates in the spring have the lowest rates now while the areas with lower spread in the spring have higher rates now. Still even though it has been slowly rising for 4-6 weeks there are only 5 in ICU in Stockholm county with 2.3 million people. It has been going between 4-7 people at any given day on ICU in the last month. Majority are therefore not that worried at the moment. Lot of bull**** spread in the comment sections of Irish news media and social media that they are considering lockdown for Stockholm and other lies. I think some people are willing to make stuff up just to paint Stockholm in a worse picture.

Recommend anyone that wants a dose of normality to take one of the direct flights with SAS (think they fly Tue, Thu and Sun) from Dublin and see for yourself. Send me a PM and I can take you on a face mask free tour to some nice pubs and explain more about life in Stockholm. Sweden is currently on the no-test and no-quarantine list for the EU common travel system that Ireland is due to adopt. Hopefully it will stay like that too.

Lets stop beating about the bush here.
There is no degree of deniability left in the old excuse used here in the past that Sweden`s strategy was not herd immunity.
If you have a city that was the epicenter of your infections testing 4.1% positive then it makes a total myth of national herd immunity.
Sweden`s cases are rising like every where else. How they control that rise is not going to be down to naturally acquired immunity.

Ginger n Lemon

321123 wrote: »

So old people should stay locked in indefinite? Isn't the will of people at the end of their life something that should be considered? The nursing homes are split now between patients that wants visits and the ones that don't want. The visits are planned in advance and the patient always has the last say if they are not under guardianship.

Why are you repeating the same junk? Last time you wrote the same crap I responded. The areas in Stockholm that were hit hard in the spring (Tensta/Rinkeby, parts of Södertälje etc) are the areas with the lowest spread at the moment while the areas with high spread in Stockholm are the wealthy apartment areas in the inner city (Östermalm, Vasastan, Norrmalm) and the suburbs out on the islands (Vaxholm - like Sandymount but with larger and detached houses). So the areas with very high rates in the spring have the lowest rates now while the areas with lower spread in the spring have higher rates now. Still even though it has been slowly rising for 4-6 weeks there are only 5 in ICU in Stockholm county with 2.3 million people. It has been going between 4-7 people at any given day on ICU in the last month. Majority are therefore not that worried at the moment. Lot of bull**** spread in the comment sections of Irish news media and social media that they are considering lockdown for Stockholm and other lies. I think some people are willing to make stuff up just to paint Stockholm in a worse picture.

Recommend anyone that wants a dose of normality to take one of the direct flights with SAS (think they fly Tue, Thu and Sun) from Dublin and see for yourself. Send me a PM and I can take you on a face mask free tour to some nice pubs and explain more about life in Stockholm. Sweden is currently on the no-test and no-quarantine list for the EU common travel system that Ireland is due to adopt. Hopefully it will stay like that too.

Is Sweden expensive to visit?

How many days would you recommend staying in Stockholm? any nearby places to stay / do some sight seeing or hiking maybe, outside of Stockholm but not too long to travel to?

321123

charlie14 wrote: »

Lets stop beating about the bush here.
There is no degree of deniability left in the old excuse used here in the past that Sweden`s strategy was not herd immunity.
If you have a city that was the epicenter of your infections testing 4.1% positive then it makes a total myth of national herd immunity.
Sweden`s cases are rising like every where else. How they control that rise is not going to be down to naturally acquired immunity.

No idea if herd immunity was the original plan or not. Honestly don't really care. Currently it is not atleast, the plan is to live with Covid and have a good trade-off between suppression and normality. In essence to have low affecting restrictions that don't have to change constantly and that have strong support in the society. Besides allowing for visitors in nursing homes and asking the whole household in Stockholm to restrict their movements for 7 days if one in the household tests positive, the restriction haven't changed since May. My family and friends (and media) in Ireland report about changing restrictions every week and a constant confusion about what they currently are.

Regarding rates in Stockholm you pointed out that the cases are going up and that is proof that immunity isn't working. So I pointed out that the areas with high spread currently, are the areas that had low spread in the spring while the areas that had low spread in the spring have a higher spread now. Showing that immunity clearly has some kind of effect. Otherwise you would see high rates again in the socioeconomically poor areas with high immigrant levels often living a lot of people in small multigenerational apartments just like you saw in the spring. These areas are as busy as they were in the spring so can't be that they are all home hiding under their bunk beds.

charlie14

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Is Sweden expensive to visit?

How many days would you recommend staying in Stockholm? any nearby places to stay / do some sight seeing or hiking maybe, outside of Stockholm but not too long to travel to?

Don`t be foolish. You would never make it.
You would have to wear a face mask if you are flying there, and did you not nearly die from the lack of oxygen having to wear one while getting a haircut not long ago.

Ginger n Lemon

charlie14 wrote: »

Don`t be foolish. You would never make it.
You would have to wear a face mask if you are flying there, and did you not nearly die from the lack of oxygen having to wear one while getting a haircut not long ago.

Made it to top of Eiffel tower, Cote D'Azur beaches and Monte Carlo Casino end of August.

I can make it to Stockholm. My reward? Normality.

Sweden is the only destination for winter holidays this year, anywhere else places keep getting shut down randomly etc. very little confidence. One thing that is certain with Sweden is that places will be opened, welcoming and won't ask for your home address with contact details at the entrance.

321123

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Is Sweden expensive to visit?

How many days would you recommend staying in Stockholm? any nearby places to stay / do some sight seeing or hiking maybe, outside of Stockholm but not too long to travel to?

Quite similar to Dublin. Some things are cheaper and some more expensive. Hotel would be 120-150 per night including breakfast, a beer in a pub 6-7 Euro, entrance to private museums maybe 15-20? State owned museums are free. Taxi costs more, public transportation (plus commuter boats) about the same but much better than Dublin. Food and alcohol in off licenses are cheaper.

Take a commuter boat out in the archipelago and stay there at some cozy in or hotel (just Google Stockholm archipelago for pictures and ideas). Several of the islands have good shorter hikes.

4 days is a good time to stay. Try to find somewhere close to the Old town or on Östermalm (close to Strandvägen).

ceadaoin.

321123 wrote: »

Regarding rates in Stockholm you pointed out that the cases are going up and that is proof that immunity isn't working. So I pointed out that the areas with high spread currently, are the areas that had low spread in the spring while the areas that had low spread in the spring have a higher spread now. Showing that immunity clearly has some kind of effect. Otherwise you would see high rates again in the socioeconomically poor areas with high immigrant levels often living a lot of people in small multigenerational apartments just like you saw in the spring. These areas are as busy as they were in the spring so can't be that they are all home hiding under their bunk beds.

The same thing happened in the US in Louisiana for example. The areas hard hit in the spring fared much better during the summer surge, which largely affected other areas. I wonder if this will be the case in NYC too where some areas are estimated to have had up to 60% of people infected, while others were relatively untouched. And similarly, it was the lower income areas who were the worst affected in March and April. Not sure how people can deny that herd immunity exists whilst simultaneously waiting for a vaccine to confer that non existent herd immunity on the world and save us all

Ginger n Lemon

321123 wrote: »

Quite similar to Dublin. Some things are cheaper and some more expensive. Hotel would be 120-150 per night including breakfast, a beer in a pub 6-7 Euro, entrance to private museums maybe 15-20? State owned museums are free. Taxi costs more, public transportation (plus commuter boats) about the same but much better than Dublin. Food and alcohol in off licenses are cheaper.

Take a commuter boat out in the archipelago and stay there at some cozy in or hotel (just Google Stockholm archipelago for pictures and ideas). Several of the islands have good shorter hikes.

4 days is a good time to stay. Try to find somewhere close to the Old town or on Östermalm (close to Strandvägen).

Are you sure about those hotel prices? I see 3 - 4 star hotels in Stockholm with breakfast for 300 to 370 euros for 4 nights (end of November, on booking.com).

Some fancy looking hotels too.

Best Western Hotels Bentleys
Best Western Kom Hotel Stockholm
Hotel Hellsten

I like the sound of the last 1.

Absolutely incredible, the Swedes with their marketing strategies, never thought I'd be booking a holiday in Sweden but here I am. Pesky Swedes.

Thank you. My only fear of going to Sweden is that I wont want to come back.

davemckenna25

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Are you sure about those hotel prices? I see 3 - 4 star hotels in Stockholm with breakfast for 300 to 370 euros for 4 nights (end of November, on booking.com).

Some fancy looking hotels too.

Best Western Hotels Bentleys
Best Western Kom Hotel Stockholm
Hotel Hellsten

I like the sound of the last 1.

Absolutely incredible, the Swedes with their marketing strategies, never thought I'd be booking a holiday in Sweden but here I am. Pesky Swedes.

Thank you. My only fear of going to Sweden is that I wont want to come back.

Don't let that stop you..... please go....
If you don't come back we will all try to be brave about it...... but at least you can talk about the place for real instead of those who make it up....

Nonoperational

Just when you think people can’t surpass themselves....

IAMAMORON

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Is Sweden expensive to visit?

How many days would you recommend staying in Stockholm? any nearby places to stay / do some sight seeing or hiking maybe, outside of Stockholm but not too long to travel to?

I wouldn't bother until the summer. It is too cold in the winter and it is also too dark.

Wait for the summer solstice next year, it is bright all day and the weather will be nice, you will have a blast.

Real Donald Trump

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Is Sweden expensive to visit?

How many days would you recommend staying in Stockholm? any nearby places to stay / do some sight seeing or hiking maybe, outside of Stockholm but not too long to travel to?

If you go over there, make sure to bring back some of that swedish immunity, also dont forget to send Tony and Nox a postcard

Bit cynical

321123 wrote: »

Regarding rates in Stockholm you pointed out that the cases are going up and that is proof that immunity isn't working. So I pointed out that the areas with high spread currently, are the areas that had low spread in the spring while the areas that had low spread in the spring have a higher spread now. Showing that immunity clearly has some kind of effect. Otherwise you would see high rates again in the socioeconomically poor areas with high immigrant levels often living a lot of people in small multigenerational apartments just like you saw in the spring. These areas are as busy as they were in the spring so can't be that they are all home hiding under their bunk beds.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The same thing happened in the US in Louisiana for example. The areas hard hit in the spring fared much better during the summer surge, which largely affected other areas. I wonder if this will be the case in NYC too where some areas are estimated to have had up to 60% of people infected, while others were relatively untouched. And similarly, it was the lower income areas who were the worst affected in March and April. Not sure how people can deny that herd immunity exists whilst simultaneously waiting for a vaccine to confer that non existent herd immunity on the world and save us all

The same seems to be true for countries as a whole. Czechia had one of the lowest rates of both infections and deaths in the earlier part of the outbreak and now, sadly, highest in both.

GT89

RTE admitted on the six one news tonight that masks can spread disease.

kippy

GT89 wrote: »

RTE admitted on the six one news tonight that masks can spread disease.

As can people....

99nsr125

GT89 wrote: »

RTE admitted on the six one news tonight that masks can spread disease.

When did they mention that

Ginger n Lemon

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

If you go over there, make sure to bring back some of that swedish immunity, also dont forget to send Tony and Nox a postcard

10/10

actuallylike

What days to sweden release their case numbers? Thought it was only two days out of the week. Pretty sure Tuesday is one. Is Thursday the other? Any particular time?

is_that_so

actuallylike wrote: »

What days to sweden release their case numbers? Thought it was only two days out of the week. Pretty sure Tuesday is one. Is Thursday the other? Any particular time?

Sweden registered 2,203 new coronavirus cases in the last four days, Health Agency statistics showed on Tuesday, taking the total to 100,654 since the start of the pandemic.

Ginger n Lemon

is_that_so wrote: »

Sweden registered 2,203 new coronavirus cases in the last four days, Health Agency statistics showed on Tuesday, taking the total to 100,654 since the start of the pandemic.

Did they / do they publish deaths with covid? if yes - what # was posted there with the 2,203 cases?

is_that_so

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Did they / do they publish deaths with covid? if yes - what # was posted there with the 2,203 cases?

No idea, I got that from the Guardian feed and that's all it said.

tobefrank321

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Did they / do they publish deaths with covid? if yes - what # was posted there with the 2,203 cases?

5 deaths notified today although that's for the previous 4 days in total, so just over 1 death per day for the last 4 days. They've been at a similar level of deaths since late July. 10 people entered ICU over the last 4 days, or 2.5 per day on average.

https://www.thelocal.se/20200902/coronavirus-the-latest-news-about-the-outbreak-in-sweden-timeline-part-two

Ginger n Lemon

tobefrank321 wrote: »

5 deaths notified today although that's for the previous 4 days in total, so just over 1 death per day for the last 4 days. They've been at a similar level of deaths since late July. 10 people entered ICU over the last 4 days, or 2.5 per day on average.

https://www.thelocal.se/20200902/coronavirus-the-latest-news-about-the-outbreak-in-sweden-timeline-part-two

So they basically have 1 person per 10 million dying with covid there per day since 10 July?

Well. As much of an admirer as I am of their strategy, even I didnt expect it to turn out so well for them. Weekly reporting - thats very smart, we should try that here in Ireland.

Breezin

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Weekly reporting - thats very smart, we should try that here in Ireland.

Too risky.



If they did that, RTE might turn on them for taking away its cheap news.

Tenzor07

Looks like Project Fear hasn't taken over Sweden like it has here...

Ginger n Lemon

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Looks like Project Fear hasn't taken over Sweden like it has here...

Video didnt work

Tenzor07

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Video didnt work

Must have been blocked... hmmm...


https://youtu.be/QvYUne7TIEQ

Ginger n Lemon

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Must have been blocked... hmmm...


https://youtu.be/QvYUne7TIEQ

Thank you

Normality.

Charlie14 hasnt posted in this thread for a long time... Charlie what are your views on a country of 10 million people with no lockdown or face masks having 1 death with covid on average per day since July?

PS there are more people on that bloody Swedish platform waiting for a train than I see inside of my train in the morning going to Connolly.....

cnocbui

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Charlie14 hasnt posted in this thread for a long time...

Alas, cognitive dissonance can prove fatal in obsessive personalities..

charlie14

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Thank you

Normality.

Charlie14 hasnt posted in this thread for a long time... Charlie what are your views on a country of 10 million people with no lockdown or face masks having 1 death with covid on average per day since July?

PS there are more people on that bloody Swedish platform waiting for a train than I see inside of my train in the morning going to Connolly.....

With your attention span shot to hell perhaps you really should consider spending less time on these threads and searching for silly little videos.
I posted here yesterday.


If you have been so eager to interact with me, why have you been running away from answering questions I have put to you on the relaxation of restrictions thread ?
Even shamefully attempting to backseat moderate to do so.