Sweden avoiding lockdown

Bit cynical

eddie73 wrote: »

Yes this is confusing me too.

Unless the public are unofficially self isolating by their own standard and not the government's. This still wouldn't account for the number of businesses that remained open and spreading infection in the community.

Unless there is a less virulent strain of covid in the community and a worse one in the controlled environment of hospitals, nursing homes etc (aka hospital bugs).

However nursing homes are very vulnerable even when infections outside are low. It only takes one case inside and everyone gets it.

The other aspect that is not widely known is how low the death rate is among comparatively young and otherwise healthy people. It is effectively zero for a large swathe of the population.

So it does not take two different strains.

coppergrass

charlie14 wrote: »

If a region`s equivalent of Tegnell calls it a lockdown, than I would not see any great reason to question it.

Interesting. Have you got a link for this?


Tegnell himself said that the Uppsala restrictions are 'no lockdown' - a lockdown would involve shutting down large parts of society.

charlie14

coppergrass wrote: »

Interesting. Have you got a link for this?


Tegnell himself said that the Uppsala restrictions are 'no lockdown' - a lockdown would involve shutting down large parts of society.

I was not referring to what Tegnell may or may not have called it.


Since earlier this month Sweden`s regions have more autonomy as to how they choose to fight this virus. 19th.Oct in an interview publish by The Local.se Johan Nojo, Uppsala`s infection diseases doctor described it as a local lockdown.
The full quote was "It`s more a lockdown situation, but a local lockdown"

I see on the following day, 20th., Tegnell did try to change the narrative, but you know what they say about putting the genie back in the bottle.

coppergrass

charlie14 wrote: »

I was not referring to what Tegnell may or may not have called it.


Since earlier this month Sweden`s regions have more autonomy as to how they choose to fight this virus. 19th.Oct in an interview publish by The Local.se Johan Nojo, Uppsala`s infection diseases doctor described it as a local lockdown.
The full quote was "It`s more a lockdown situation, but a local lockdown"

I see on the following day, 20th., Tegnell did try to change the narrative, but you know what they say about putting the genie back in the bottle.

Can you post a link to the article please?



I can't find it, nor is there any reference to 'Johan Nojo' or ratsit.se or hitta.se,


A bit of an aside, but Sweden is an unusually open society in this respect - sites like the above get everyone's contact details from the tax office and are free to publish them in a directory. They used to publish how much everybody earns too but you now have to pay for that. You can also look up car's owner from its registration. It's possible to get your details removed from these sites but it's pretty unusual and would be even more so for a public representative.

Vieira82

An interesting article from Time with loads of info and graphs comparing Sweden and other countries. Dated from 14th of October:

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

perhaps more striking are the findings of a study published Oct. 12 in the Journal of the American Medical Association, which pointed out that, of the countries the researchers investigated, Sweden and the U.S. essentially make up a category of two: they are the only countries with high overall mortality rates that failed to rapidly reduce those numbers as the pandemic progressed.

(...)

Countries that locked down early and/or used extensive test and tracing—including Denmark, Finland, Norway, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam and New Zealand—saved lives and limited damage to their economies. Countries that locked down late, came out of lock down too early, did not effectively test and quarantine, or only used a partial lockdown—including Brazil, Mexico, Netherlands, Peru, Spain, Sweden, the U.S. and the U.K.—have almost uniformly done worse in rates of infection and death.

The study mentioned in the article: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771841

charlie14

coppergrass wrote: »

Can you post a link to the article please?



I can't find it, nor is there any reference to 'Johan Nojo' or ratsit.se or hitta.se,


A bit of an aside, but Sweden is an unusually open society in this respect - sites like the above get everyone's contact details from the tax office and are free to publish them in a directory. They used to publish how much everybody earns too but you now have to pay for that. You can also look up car's owner from its registration. It's possible to get your details removed from these sites but it's pretty unusual and would be even more so for a public representative.

Johan Nojo is the infection disease doctor for the region of Uppsala. The quote I gave you if from The Local.se 19th.October. It is not in the free to view section but the two month subscription is quite cheap if you do not wish to take my word you can check it out.
Do you think it was just coincidence that the following day Tegnell was trying to put the the genie back in the bottle on lockdown ?

greyday

Tegnell is great, The WHO criticizes Sweden's strategy and immediately Tegnell gets Deaths to drop, Mr Nojo describes a local lockdown in Uppsala and Tegnell comes out and says its no such thing, what will Tegnell do next to try and preserve his credibility?
If Sweden is anything like Ireland he will be long dead before the truth comes out, at least he better hope he is

humberklog

What are Sweden doing with the missing bodies? Sending them out into the briny sea on a firey Viking coffin boat? Hiding them in glacier caves way up north? Elves have'm?
Where are the families crying foul of the mis-registering of their loved ones cause of death?
Where are the nurses, doctors, pathologists and undertakers that are crying foul play?

There are some in Swedish society that are in opposition to the path their government are taking but every country, including here, has some opposition to the approach their country's governments are taking. That's normal.

Sweden is an open democratic society whose institutions aren't above impunity. You'd think it was North Korea the way some are dismissing them.

coppergrass

charlie14 wrote: »

Johan Nojo is the infection disease doctor for the region of Uppsala. The quote I gave you if from The Local.se 19th.October. It is not in the free to view section but the two month subscription is quite cheap if you do not wish to take my word you can check it out.
Do you think it was just coincidence that the following day Tegnell was trying to put the the genie back in the bottle on lockdown ?

Nope, as I mentioned, there does not appear to be anyone called Johan Nojo in Sweden. There is an epidemiologist in Uppsala called Johan Nöjd though who appears to be the doctor in question.


The article from The Local on Oct 19th with the quote you mention can be found here.

ArthurDayne

humberklog wrote: »

What are Sweden doing with the missing bodies? Sending them out into the briny sea on a firey Viking coffin boat? Hiding them in glacier caves way up north? Elves have'm?
Where are the families crying foul of the mis-registering of their loved ones cause of death?
Where are the nurses, doctors, pathologists and undertakers that are crying foul play?

There are some in Swedish society that are in opposition to the path their government are taking but every country, including here, has some opposition to the approach their country's governments are taking. That's normal.

Sweden is an open democratic society whose institutions aren't above impunity. You'd think it was North Korea the way some are dismissing them.

It’s incredible that many of the same people who disparage and mock the conspiracy theorists somehow don their own tinfoil hats when it comes to Sweden allegedly covering up Covid.

gmisk

Not sure if this has been posted yet.
But sweden have just had their highest daily case number, 3254.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1321826539286208514?s=19

Vieira82

ArthurDayne wrote: »

It’s incredible that many of the same people who disparage and mock the conspiracy theorists somehow don their own tinfoil hats when it comes to Sweden allegedly covering up Covid.

on the contrary, no one is saying there's millions of unreported deaths and bodies being dumped left and right.

Simply put, if someone has Asthma and that is controlled. Imagine that person gets covid. Covid will disrupt the Asthma control and will lead to that person dying.

That person died because of covid not because of Asthma.

However, fairly easy to just write it out as the person died of Asthma...

This is simple logic that if you add that to all diseases then no one dies of cancer or dies of aids, or even of the flu.

If you ever saw a cancer patient die (I had the unfortunate experience of having two family members dying of cancer) you will see the persons body shut down one part at a time until finally the heart stops beating.

You could say on the hours before death when the cancer patient becomes blind that he just got a brain infection. Or when the cancer patient stops speaking that is just a sore throat. And when the lungs start filling up with mucus you can say it's just a lung infection and when the heart finally stops beating you can say it was a heart failure. All of this you could simply say "that person is dying of cancer"

Same goes for Aids.

Same goes for a death by the flu. You get the flu, next thing you know you're fighting a pneumonia and you eventually die. You could say you didn't die of the flu you died of pneumonia, or lung failure.

You see, it's very easy if you want politically to disguise such deaths specially with a new virus when it affects people in different ways. So we can't say for sure, where those 15 dead went or why they where miss-reported but would be interesting to know what are they now classified in death terms.

In any case it looks bad. If they are covering it up using an underlying condition then it's wrong. If they miss-reported 15 dead people then it just shows they are clumsy. I do agree though, the response of all these countries to the pandemic will be highly scrutinized by society... let's see where all of this will end up...

Was watching this this morning:

https://youtu.be/dy8Y-PfsF9c

From minute 7 the doctor describes a perfectly healthy woman which organs started to fail because of covid and she eventually died. You could simply say, again, she died of whatever organ failed and not of covid. However covid was what caused that, otherwise healthy patient and as you can see from what she said, this was very common in the first wave...

Suggest you watch the whole video as the UK is now in the hundreds of dead a day again.

Tony EH

We really need to stop looking at Sweden as some sort of default answer to how Corona should be tackled. Swedish society is structured very differently to everywhere else in Europe and it's not just a question of whether to lockdown or not lockdown.

A huge % of Swedes live alone, their socialising is very different, they are generally a health conscious nation, and they have had a practice of working from home for a long time. That right there would have a large impact on the spread of any disease. Plus, Sweden isn't actually operating as normally as some would like you to believe. I know people in Stockholm and they've told me that there are people who'll wear masks and there has been a social distancing policy of sorts in effect in many parts of the capital.

Their precautions have been more lax than other countries, it's fair to say. But it's impossible to conclude that such laissez faire measures would have worked everywhere.

Bit cynical

gmisk wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted yet.
But sweden have just had their highest daily case number, 3254.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1321826539286208514?s=19

However still very low by EU standards. See chart for last 12 weeks:

Bit cynical

Tony EH wrote: »

We really need to stop looking at Sweden as some sort of default answer to how Corona should be tackled. Swedish society is structured very differently to everywhere else in Europe and it's not just a question of whether to lockdown or not lockdown.

In fairness, very few have been saying that Ireland should copy Sweden verbatim.

What I think is interesting about Sweden is that they did not simply copy every other country as they could have done, and instead went for a science-based approach balancing limited but sustainable mitigative methods with an expansion of hospital and ICU capacity. It is this balanced approach that is now paying off for them.

Simplifying a bit but the mainstream approach might be characterised as "suppression only" where an inordinate amount of focus is placed on getting daily case numbers down without regard to collateral damage, sustainability or the lack of immunity built up.

Clearly there is a balance to be had and it is going to be different for each country but nevertheless there are lessons to be learned from Sweden.

charlie14

coppergrass wrote: »

Nope, as I mentioned, there does not appear to be anyone called Johan Nojo in Sweden. There is an epidemiologist in Uppsala called Johan Nöjd though who appears to be the doctor in question.


The article from The Local on Oct 19th with the quote you mention can be found here.

Apologies. I ended his surname with o rather than d, but the is the guy. Uppsala`s equivalent of Tegnell, who announced those measures and called them a local lockdown.

Seems Tegnell is not the flavour of the month in Uppsala.
Uppsala Region Director of Healthcare Mikael Kohler on the 22nd.Oct. opened a press conference by rebutting comments made by Tegnell earlier that day that the situation "may have already started to turn around in Uppsala" pointing out that the positivity for test results in Uppsala was 8%.

I see three more regions have now joined Uppsala and Skane in their approach to tackling the spread of the virus. Stockholm, Vastra Gotaland and Ostergotland.

Bit cynical

On the "lockdown" thing:

“It’s more of a lockdown situation—but a local lockdown,” Dr. Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in the city of Uppsala, told the Telegraph.

In a statement provided to TIME, however, a spokesperson for the Public Health Agency of Sweden rejected that characterization.

“It is not a lockdown but some extra recommendations that could be communicated locally when a need from the regional authorities is communicated and the Public Health Agency so decides,” the spokesperson said.

URL="https://time.com/5901352/sweden-local-lockdowns/"]source[/URL

Just from looking at the context it looks like Nojd was trying to say that Uppsala was "more lockdown" than before, rather than already moved to full lockdown like other countries. This was then clarifed by the Public Health Agency. Not a lockdown.

ArthurDayne

Tony EH wrote: »

We really need to stop looking at Sweden as some sort of default answer to how Corona should be tackled. Swedish society is structured very differently to everywhere else in Europe and it's not just a question of whether to lockdown or not lockdown.

A huge % of Swedes live alone, their socialising is very different, they are generally a health conscious nation, and they have had a practice of working from home for a long time. That right there would have a large impact on the spread of any disease. Plus, Sweden isn't actually operating as normally as some would like you to believe. I know people in Stockholm and they've told me that there are people who'll wear masks and there has been a social distancing policy of sorts in effect in many parts of the capital.

Their precautions have been more lax than other countries, it's fair to say. But it's impossible to conclude that such laissez faire measures would have worked everywhere.

But nobody is comparing normal Ireland to normal Sweden. This is the thing that, in my humble opinion, people are getting wrong. The assumption appears to be that any assessment of Sweden’s approach versus Ireland automatically assumes that Irish people would have simply acted the exact same way as they have always done without taking any account of the fact that the virus could pose a threat to the old and vulnerable.

So we get all this talk of how different Sweden is, with the apparent insinuation being that people are still of the view that looser restrictions means everything just being normal Ireland and everyone just acting normally again around parents / grandparents / other vulnerable people.

odyssey06

ArthurDayne wrote: »

But nobody is comparing normal Ireland to normal Sweden. This is the thing that, in my humble opinion, people are getting wrong. The assumption appears to be that any assessment of Sweden’s approach versus Ireland automatically assumes that Irish people would have simply acted the exact same way as they have always done without taking any account of the fact that the virus could pose a threat to the old and vulnerable.

So we get all this talk of how different Sweden is, with the apparent insinuation being that people are still of the view that looser restrictions means everything just being normal Ireland and everyone just acting normally again around parents / grandparents / other vulnerable people.

People acted normally on county finals day that was for sure.
It was a 'Dublin problem'.

Look where it got us.
Relying on Irish people to follow the health advice not a runner.

ArthurDayne

Vieira82 wrote: »

on the contrary, no one is saying there's millions of unreported deaths and bodies being dumped left and right.

Simply put, if someone has Asthma and that is controlled. Imagine that person gets covid. Covid will disrupt the Asthma control and will lead to that person dying.

That person died because of covid not because of Asthma.

However, fairly easy to just write it out as the person died of Asthma...

This is simple logic that if you add that to all diseases then no one dies of cancer or dies of aids, or even of the flu.

If you ever saw a cancer patient die (I had the unfortunate experience of having two family members dying of cancer) you will see the persons body shut down one part at a time until finally the heart stops beating.

You could say on the hours before death when the cancer patient becomes blind that he just got a brain infection. Or when the cancer patient stops speaking that is just a sore throat. And when the lungs start filling up with mucus you can say it's just a lung infection and when the heart finally stops beating you can say it was a heart failure. All of this you could simply say "that person is dying of cancer"

Same goes for Aids.

Same goes for a death by the flu. You get the flu, next thing you know you're fighting a pneumonia and you eventually die. You could say you didn't die of the flu you died of pneumonia, or lung failure.

You see, it's very easy if you want politically to disguise such deaths specially with a new virus when it affects people in different ways. So we can't say for sure, where those 15 dead went or why they where miss-reported but would be interesting to know what are they now classified in death terms.

In any case it looks bad. If they are covering it up using an underlying condition then it's wrong. If they miss-reported 15 dead people then it just shows they are clumsy. I do agree though, the response of all these countries to the pandemic will be highly scrutinized by society... let's see where all of this will end up...

Was watching this this morning:

https://youtu.be/dy8Y-PfsF9c

From minute 7 the doctor describes a perfectly healthy woman which organs started to fail because of covid and she eventually died. You could simply say, again, she died of whatever organ failed and not of covid. However covid was what caused that, otherwise healthy patient and as you can see from what she said, this was very common in the first wave...

Suggest you watch the whole video as the UK is now in the hundreds of dead a day again.

All understood, but you’re answering your own question almost in support of the point I am making: if Covid is as lethal as it is made out and Sweden’s approach is as excessively lax as is made out — then surely we would be seeing some overwhelming of hospitals and, therefore, the stacking up of the bodies? You’re saying yourself that bodies aren’t being hidden away somewhere, so I’m not quite sure what point you are trying to make.

ArthurDayne

odyssey06 wrote: »

People acted normally on county finals day that was for sure.
It was a 'Dublin problem'.

Look where it got us.
Relying on Irish people to follow the health advice not a runner.

Did they though? Were there a pile of vulnerable people jumping around in the crowds? Did they all go home from those matches and give granny a hug?

It’s a complete fallacy spun by media and willingly swallowed by many that behaviour at county finals invariably meant that people were behaving totally normally and all heading back to the houses with no regard for potentially killing a family member. Does acting normally in one instance mean that people have just reverted to a totally normal life ? No, it doesn’t, no matter how much Mr Journalist wants to convince you otherwise.

There are a few times I have gone to see friends, purely to keep my head right. An out of context media report would more or less say “look at these **** acting normally with no regard for the guidelines”, right? Then again, I haven’t seen my parents for many weeks — so I’m not acting normally. Not many people are acting normally these days ... but everyone just wants to point the finger at their neighbours because it makes them feel morally superior and right.

Vieira82

ArthurDayne wrote: »

All understood, but you’re answering your own question almost in support of the point I am making: if Covid is as lethal as it is made out and Sweden’s approach is as excessively lax as is made out — then surely we would be seeing some overwhelming of hospitals and, therefore, the stacking up of the bodies? You’re saying yourself that bodies aren’t being hidden away somewhere, so I’m not quite sure what point you are trying to make.

It's the same point I've been making since the beginning and is very explicit in all my posts including this one.

Sadly you forcefully are unwilling to understand what I wrote. I suggest you actually read what I wrote and not just read the first two lines of my post.

Secondly, if you're waiting to see bodies pile up to take this seriously you are so dearly wrong. We don't live in 13th century Europe but in 21st century Europe where we have effective ways to deal with masses of dead people like we've seen in the first wave.

The problem is people like you will only take this seriously when it hits home. Like some other thread talkers here that have since left because either his sons school got cases or his grandmother died of it.

So let's see when you start taking this seriously.

And yes, Sweden still had around 5k more dead than it's neighboring countries and that's really bad. But according to your logic, since there's no rivers of blood and bodies rotting on the street they did well.

Well according to this logic everyone is doing fine of course then xD

Did you see any of the hundreds of dead per day in the US, UK, Italy, Spain? No. Did those countries did ok too then?

Like I said, flawless logic through which nothing I could write will dissuade you from it except again if you will be unfortunate enough to have someone close to you get it and be severely sick or die.

I genuinely hope that doesn't happen to you or anyone but it honestly seems to be the only way some egocentric people will stop thinking only of themselves...

You literally ignored everything I wrote, could not give a flying toss about what I linked and then come back with question marks.

Do yourself a favor and read ok? We can talk later once you actually have arguments

Vieira82

Just a side note...

We're now having a constant 5 dead per day

Portugal is reaching 30 dead per day

France, UK and Italy again in the low hundreds of dead daily...

Sweden is having 1000 cases every three days... fair enough... suposedly not many dead kool.. fair enough...

Norway is having 300 cases every three days... no deaths either

Finland around 200 cases a day... and no deaths...

odyssey06

ArthurDayne wrote: »

Did they though? Were there a pile of vulnerable people jumping around in the crowds? Did they all go home from those matches and give granny a hug?
It’s a complete fallacy spun by media and willingly swallowed by many that behaviour at county finals invariably meant that people were behaving totally normally and all heading back to the houses with no regard for potentially killing a family member. Does acting normally in one instance mean that people have just reverted to a totally normal life ? No, it doesn’t, no matter how much Mr Journalist wants to convince you otherwise. There are a few times I have gone to see friends, purely to keep my head right. An out of context media report would more or less say “look at these **** acting normally with no regard for the guidelines”, right? Then again, I haven’t seen my parents for many weeks — so I’m not acting normally. Not many people are acting normally these days ... but everyone just wants to point the finger at their neighbours because it makes them feel morally superior and right.

You're bringing 'moral superiority' into it when someone observes that people here were not following the restrictions, were not acting like 'good' Swedes and that led to a surge in cases? Pretty clear your argument has no foundation.

It's an infectious disease. You can't just have the one day of normality.
Not when the next day they go into work, schools, visit family and friends and pass it on.

If you think you can rely on the voluntary compliance of Irish people to be enough to keep this virus in check you are living in a fantasy land.
60% of the cases here are traced back to a virus strain that only developed in Spain during the summer. That's a lot of Irish people ignoring the quarantine guidelines.

It's great if we have a lot of people voluntary following the restrictions, it clearly and obviously has not been enough.
We wouldn't have needed to back up the levels had that been the case.

When people point all all this you retreat into an attack on them for being nosy neighbours and a foul mouthed rant about the media?

Good luck to the Swedes. We are not they and we need more than luck and voluntary compliance to get through this.

charlie14

Bit cynical wrote: »

On the "lockdown" thing:

“It’s more of a lockdown situation—but a local lockdown,” Dr. Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in the city of Uppsala, told the Telegraph.

In a statement provided to TIME, however, a spokesperson for the Public Health Agency of Sweden rejected that characterization.

“It is not a lockdown but some extra recommendations that could be communicated locally when a need from the regional authorities is communicated and the Public Health Agency so decides,” the spokesperson said.

URL="https://time.com/5901352/sweden-local-lockdowns/"]source[/URL

Just from looking at the context it looks like Nojd was trying to say that Uppsala was "more lockdown" than before, rather than already moved to full lockdown like other countries. This was then clarifed by the Public Health Agency. Not a lockdown.

In relation to the Public Health Agency and Tegnell in particular, to quote Mandy Rice-Davies "He would say that, wouldn`t he "?
Far as I recall a few days before Uppsala decided to go their own way he was trying to block them at the pass saying all regions were agreed on the Public Health Agency policy.
It sure does not look that way now with another four, including Stockholm, going the same way as Uppsala.

With the decision making now very much in the hands of the regional authorities the Public Health Authority do not have the overall say on strategy they had previously. Uppsala`s regional Director of Healthcare last week even publically slapped down Tegnell for remarks he made regarding Uppsala.

It`s not now up to the Public Health Authority what they call Uppsala`s, or any other region, strategy. If Uppsala`s regional equivalent of Tegnell wishes to call it a local lockdown then that is what they view it as.

There is no need for the Public Health Authority or anyone else attempting to interpret what Dr. Johan Nojd said .He said quite clear "lt`s more of a lockdown situation,but a local lockdown"
Although with five regions making up half or more of the population of Sweden, it is now a bit more than just a local lockdown.

charlie14

Vieira82 wrote: »

Just a side note...

We're now having a constant 5 dead per day

Portugal is reaching 30 dead per day

France, UK and Italy again in the low hundreds of dead daily...

Sweden is having 1000 cases every three days... fair enough... suposedly not many dead kool.. fair enough...

Norway is having 300 cases every three days... no deaths either

Finland around 200 cases a day... and no deaths...

Sweden had over 2,000 new cases yesterday and 3,257 today.

the incredible pudding

It's not a lockdown, it's stricter guidelines that are being advocated by region. Allowing regions to dictate different recommendations has been on the cards for months and it's not some surprise or attempt to go against the central public authority.
They're still 'guidelines' and if I wanted to go to into Stockholm to watch the rugby at the weekend I could ( I won't ).
It's questionable whether Sweden actually could legally impose the type of lockdown/curfews/fines for being out as other countries could due to constitutional reasons (right of freedom of movement within the country is a very serious thing here and in the constitution). There were emergency laws brought through the parliament (with difficulty and opposition) back in April iirc I think but those expired in the summer.
I read that they're trying to change that but that it might not be until next summer until those could come into effect.

greyday

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Hold on a minute, the WHO criticised Sweden and later came out and said lockdowns should only be used to buy time?

Yes, to buy time to reduce infections leading to less deaths, Lockdowns are to be used in times of crisis with the virus i.e. when infections are high and the R number is over 1, with over 3000 infections today in Sweden I would suggest they are entering a crisis with infections and high numbers of deaths will follow over the next number of weeks.
We became complacent after suffering a severe enough lockdown, The swedes have been conditioned to believe its not all that serious, its no surprise to see their infection rate rise exponentially now.

Vieira82

charlie14 wrote: »

Sweden had over 2,000 new cases yesterday and 3,257 today.

Thanks for the correction, noticed the data for Sweden I got was from last week apparently

FintanMcluskey

greyday wrote: »

Yes, to buy time to reduce infections leading to less deaths, Lockdowns are to be used in times of crisis with the virus i.e. when infections are high and the R number is over 1, with over 3000 infections today in Sweden I would suggest they are entering a crisis with infections and high numbers of deaths will follow over the next number of weeks.
We became complacent after suffering a severe enough lockdown, The swedes have been conditioned to believe its not all that serious, its no surprise to see their infection rate rise exponentially now.

No it was a blunt exercise to prevent healthcare services becoming overwhelmed.

Sweden increased ICU capacity as intended and it’s not been under any significant pressure yet