Everything will change after Coronavirus

AllForIt

No it won't, life will go back to normal.

Socialists and leftists seem to think that society will change in some fundamental way when this is all over.

It's always the politically disadvantaged that would suggest something like this. They are currently wetting themselves to use this crisis to further their political objectives.

Any changes will be trivial. No seismic change.

Can't wait to get back to normal.

_Kaiser_

Have to agree. A lot of people seem to be thinking that this will be the dawn of some awakening of how we can't live like we used to anymore, how we need to live and work more sustainably, how the pursuit of economic prosperity can't be the primary purpose of life.

It's a nice sentiment for sure and yes it WOULD be nice if we all collectively learned something here - but this isn't a big budget disaster movie I'm afraid.

I fully expect that 12 months after this virus has been cured or at least become manageable, we'll be back to life as it was 6/12 months ago.

Within hours of the restrictions being lifted the pubs will be thronged. Human nature abhors a vacuum. Same as it ever was.

Guy:Incognito

I like how you say "politically disadvantaged" when what you mean is "how quickly can we get this **** over with and get back to not giving a **** about the poor"

Danno

Deleted User wrote: »

Within hours of the restrictions being lifted the pubs will be thronged. Human nature abhors a vacuum. Same as it ever was.

Exactly. If left-wing sympathisers, their "capitalist *foes*" think anything else will happen, then they have another thing coming to them.

In fact, I see Ireland going back to a late 80s -> early 90s type of societal thinking after this.

A sort of cultural reset button has been pressed. Only good thing this time round is the Church aren't orchestrating any part of it.

pgj2015

I have heard a few people saying that the result will be the poor taking back from the rich. I hate this way of thinking. i am not rich but the goal is to be rich, that is why i work 7 days a week. the people i heard talking about this taking from the rich, were lazy stoners who never worked a day in their life. i hate this kind of leftist thinking.

id rather be dead than live in a world were the lazy people with no ambition have as much as hard working people who contribute to society.

The_Brood

You have to be a real piece of garbage to not want major change. There is enough money out there to have a hospital fully equiped on every street corner, but no we cant have that, we need to keep the top 1 percent and 10 percent as rich as ever before. Better we die and live as economic slaves than rock the boat and demand fairness, right?

kwestfan08

As a poster above said the day the pubs are allowed back open again there wont be standing room in each and every one up and down the country. People will be will be only delighted to be back crammed together. I for one cannot wait.

The_Brood

pgj2015 wrote: »

I have heard a few people saying that the result will be the poor taking back from the rich. I hate this way of thinking. i am not rich but the goal is to be rich, that is why i work 7 days a week. the people i heard talking about this taking from the rich, were lazy stoners who never worked a day in their life. i hate this kind of leftist thinking.

id rather be dead than live in a world were the lazy people with no ambition have as much as hard working people who contribute to society.

99% of the "rich" do not deserve a lick of what they have. Either family inheretance, or they are good at coding or playing financial games with imaginary numbers. While the rest of us have to slave away to survive. That has to end by any and all means necessary.

pgj2015

The_Brood wrote: »

99% of the "rich" do not deserve a lick of what they have. Either family inheretance, or they are good at coding or playing financial games with imaginary numbers. While the rest of us have to slave away to survive. That has to end by any and all means necessary.

ok, so say some millionaire dies, who deserves their money, their kids or some random poor people? :pac:

Danno

pgj2015 wrote: »

I have heard a few people saying that the result will be the poor taking back from the rich. I hate this way of thinking. i am not rich but the goal is to be rich, that is why i work 7 days a week. the people i heard talking about this taking from the rich, were lazy stoners who never worked a day in their life. i hate this kind of leftist thinking.

id rather be dead than live in a world were the lazy people with no ambition have as much as hard working people who contribute to society.

Fear not if you trust the experts - they have simulated such a scenario whereby everyone in any western nation is given an equal amount of money and roam free. The results are that within 7.7 years the rich before are rich again and the old order is restored. Fear not if you are at least under 60 years old. :pac:

WashYourHands

pgj2015 wrote: »

I have heard a few people saying that the result will be the poor taking back from the rich. I hate this way of thinking. i am not rich but the goal is to be rich, that is why i work 7 days a week. the people i heard talking about this taking from the rich, were lazy stoners who never worked a day in their life. i hate this kind of leftist thinking.

id rather be dead than live in a world were the lazy people with no ambition have as much as hard working people who contribute to society.

That is not the goal

piplip87

The_Brood wrote: »

99% of the "rich" do not deserve a lick of what they have. Either family inheretance, or they are good at coding or playing financial games with imaginary numbers. While the rest of us have to slave away to survive. That has to end by any and all means necessary.

Learn to code or if you thinks it's so easy become a financial game player then. I'm pretty sure you could end up with a nice imaginary house or an imaginary car with all this imaginary money.

AllForIt

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I like how you say "politically disadvantaged" when what you mean is "how quickly can we get this **** over with and get back to not giving a **** about the poor"

Straight out of the Lefty handbook.

What I mean about the politically disadvantaged is the one's who haven't got support or who are not in Government like the UK Labour Party.

But you go on with your snide commentary if it makes you feel superior.

FloatingVoter

Danno wrote: »

Fear not if you trust the experts - they have simulated such a scenario whereby everyone in any western nation is given an equal amount of money and roam free. The results are that within 7.7 years the rich before are rich again and the old order is restored. Fear not if you are at least under 60 years old. :pac:

Sadly true. That study was so unbelievable they replicated it. Again and again. Same or similar results. "A sucker born every minute", ,"if I asked the public what they wanted, they'd ask for a faster horse".


PT Barnum and Henry Ford were contrasting but immensely rich individuals who would be exploiting this pandemic to their own ends and succeeding at it.


Both are now dead and worth the weight of their ashes. It's not the super-rich who step over the homeless on a daily basis - it's the average plods. Let the 1% **** off and sink a yacht. We matter, not them - it will return to normal selfish crazy but hopefully with a bit more consideration and awareness.



Back to the OP's point. Here's €10,000 - what are you going to do with it ?

Del2005

The_Brood wrote: »

You have to be a real piece of garbage to not want major change. There is enough money out there to have a hospital fully equiped on every street corner, but no we cant have that, we need to keep the top 1 percent and 10 percent as rich as ever before. Better we die and live as economic slaves than rock the boat and demand fairness, right?

We pay plenty for our health it's gross mismanagement that has it in bits. We merged 8 health boards yet not a single administrator was let go, to keep the unions happy, so we pay 7 people to do nothing while we have a hiring freeze on front line staff and you want to blame the rich while it's the socialists in the unions that are keeping our public health system in bits.

ArmaniJeanss

Deleted User wrote: »

Within hours of the restrictions being lifted the pubs will be thronged.

I'd have to say No to that.
A handful of super-popular pubs in big cities might be thronged. Temple Bar and Dame Street may be rocking at weekends.
But the average (median :pac:) pub will be facing an unprecedented struggle with everyone short of money and in debt.

FloatingVoter

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I'd have to say No to that.
A handful of super-popular pubs in big cities might be thronged. Temple Bar and Dame Street may be rocking at weekends.
But the average (median :pac:) pub will be facing an unprecedented struggle with everyone short of money and in debt.

Yeah, there'll need to be deals done with Diageo / Jameson / Heineken etc. to supply on tick for a more extended period. Customer volume will be lower barring the kids on night one so even in the superpubs trade will be down.


The likes of Louis Fitz and Charlie Chawke can handle loss leading for a bit but we may be looking at disaster in the towns and villages where the pubs are actually a factor in human life and welll-being.

jill_valentine

AllForIt wrote: »

But you go on with your snide commentary if it makes you feel superior.

Dyou think maybe it's a bit rich accusing other people of snide commentary considering your own opening and subsequent posts up there.

There's no going back to "'normal" after an event like this. Might not be what the hard left wants or what you do, but I'm pretty sure nobody forecasting lasting changes is primarily thinking of "people won't go back to pubs!".

You can come back to this post in a few years and tell me if travel, work and the property sectors haven't all massively changed from how they were this time last year.

Poorside

I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of cash, most places that are open are asking for card payment and from my own experience this really isn't a problem

jill_valentine

Poorside wrote: »

I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of cash, most places that are open are asking for card payment and from my own experience this really isn't a problem

I'm very uneasy about it. Creates a lot of dependence on banks, and I don't know about the rest of ye but I've had some absolutely horrible customer service experiences with banks after one error or another on their part. Doesn't inspire great confidence.

I have to think too that if shops totally move away from cash it makes life quite a bit more difficult for sectors of the disadvantaged who have to conduct their lives in small amounts of cash at a time, eg the homeless or small time farmers.

Quantum Erasure

from an american perspective, but relevant

https://forge.medium.com/prepare-for-the-ultimate-gaslighting-6a8ce3f0a0e0

...And so the onslaught is coming. Get ready, my friends. What is about to be unleashed on American society will be the greatest campaign ever created to get you to feel normal again. It will come from brands, it will come from government, it will even come from each other, and it will come from the left and from the right. We will do anything, spend anything, believe anything, just so we can take away how horribly uncomfortable all of this feels. And on top of that, just to turn the screw that much more, will be the one effort that’s even greater: the all-out blitz to make you believe you never saw what you saw. The air wasn’t really cleaner; those images were fake. The hospitals weren’t really a war zone; those stories were hyperbole. The numbers were not that high; the press is lying. You didn’t see people in masks standing in the rain risking their lives to vote. Not in America. You didn’t see the leader of the free world push an unproven miracle drug like a late-night infomercial salesman. That was a crisis update. You didn’t see homeless people dead on the street. You didn’t see inequality. You didn’t see indifference. You didn’t see utter failure of leadership and systems.

tdf7187

AllForIt wrote: »

No it won't, life will go back to normal.

Socialists and leftists seem to think that society will change in some fundamental way when this is all over.

It's always the politically disadvantaged that would suggest something like this. They are currently wetting themselves to use this crisis to further their political objectives.

Any changes will be trivial. No seismic change.

Can't wait to get back to normal.

Agreed except I dont think the 'everything is now permanently changed' mantra is coming exlusively or even primarily from the socialists. Its also coming from the right wing authoritarians.

blade1

Deleted User wrote: »

Within hours of the restrictions being lifted the pubs will be thronged. Human nature abhors a vacuum. Same as it ever was.

And listen to everyone in there being an expert on Corona virus?
No thanks.
We are creatures of habit so I reckon some people won't be too bothered àbout going back to the pub.

jill_valentine

blade1 wrote: »

And listen to everyone in there being an expert on Corona virus?
No thanks.
We are creatures of habit so I reckon some people won't be too bothered àbout going back to the pub.

Think of how counterintuitive it already feels for most people to hug or hand shake a stranger. That doesn't go away overnight.

Compare it to the Great Depression in the US. People who remembered experiencing that developed habits and behaviours that stayed with them for life. To expect that something which has affected so many people’s lifestyles, income and living conditions all at once to have no significant lasting effect is absurd. It's normalcy bias.

I don't know what normal will be this time next year, but I know for definite it won't look like 2019.

Sunny Disposition

Some things are bound to change.

There are guys in every town and village who went for a few pints every day for decades. Some won’t bother going as frequently now the cycle is broken.

People never bothered much with cooking before, but now do it every day. At least some of them will keep it up.

Some companies never had anyone work from home, now they have and realise it’s fine.

Politically and economically inequality is at one if it’s historical highs points and a push back had already started. This won’t do anything to stymie it.

I was lucky enough to become quite wealthy a number of decades ago and I did work hard, but no harder than guys who worked for me. In most cases who gets rich is down to either luck or inheritance more than any other factor. People shouldn’t think there’s some meritocracy around money.

blade1

What do ye reckon the leaders of countries worldwide will do to stop this from happening again.
Surely can't be allowed to happen again.

kevcos

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I like how you say "politically disadvantaged" when what you mean is "how quickly can we get this **** over with and get back to not giving a **** about the poor"

Awesome thanks for deciphering what the OP really meant.

Its great to have people there who can literally take someones exact words, red pen them and tell the rest of us what in fact that person really meant.

You are doing Gods, and Cathy Newmans, work bless you.

Yurt2

AllForIt wrote: »

No it won't, life will go back to normal.

Socialists and leftists seem to think that society will change in some fundamental way when this is all over.

It's always the politically disadvantaged that would suggest something like this. They are currently wetting themselves to use this crisis to further their political objectives.

Any changes will be trivial. No seismic change.

You better be praying to the Easter bunny for things to go back to normality .

As for 'the left' alone thinking the world will see big economic changes, you'd want to start paying attention. Commentators, economists and politicians of all stripes are telling you whats coming down the tracks.

I'd also argue that this post is a prime example of someone of whatever political bent to claim 'the meaning' of the crisis to peddle their agenda. Something you're accusing 'the left' of doing, but are engaging in yourself.

Smarten up.

Heres Johnny

blade1 wrote: »

What do ye reckon the leaders of countries worldwide will do to stop this from happening again.
Surely can't be allowed to happen again.

I can see some sort of health passport being a thing in the future. It's going to be very inconvenient but your last sentence is right, it can't be let happen again.

To the posters in this thread that have said everything will change and to the posters said that nothing will change, you're both wrong. Some things will change, some things will stay the same. Some things have already changed and some things have stayed the same.

Some changes for the better, some for the worse but all with a common goal of not letting this happen again.

Home working will remain a thing for many, probably those that are effective at it and for those that want to.

Social distancing will remain a feature of our lives to some extent for a certain period of time.
Not like it is now, but some extent.
Cant see a superpub wedging 500 people in for a good while. I fear for when croke Park or the Aviva or the three arena can sell out an event again, which is what many of us want. I have tickets for Italy Rugby match and I, for one, want to clap the Italian team on to the pitch in a show of solidarity with them and their ravaged brethern, hopefully as an Irishman from a country that learned from them and took their advice and saved thousands of our own citizens as they had the misfortune to get hit earlier than us and blindsided.

But I don't know when this will be.

plodder

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Some things are bound to change.

There are guys in every town and village who went for a few pints every day for decades. Some won’t bother going as frequently now the cycle is broken.

People never bothered much with cooking before, but now do it every day. At least some of them will keep it up.

Some companies never had anyone work from home, now they have and realise it’s fine.

Politically and economically inequality is at one if it’s historical highs points and a push back had already started. This won’t do anything to stymie it.

I was lucky enough to become quite wealthy a number of decades ago and I did work hard, but no harder than guys who worked for me. In most cases who gets rich is down to either luck or inheritance more than any other factor. People shouldn’t think there’s some meritocracy around money.

Which was it in your case?