How will schools be able to go back in September?

CinemaGuy45

Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: »

You keep saying schools need to reopen to me as if I disagree? I just want to know how you plan to effectively cocoon the elderly once lockdown ends and schools and workplaces reopen. You think that is the most important thing we should focus on - protecting the elderly. I'm just interested in how you see that happening given so many elderly people live with not elderly people? What pain do you envisage? Sacrificing the elderly who don't live alone? Or massive rehousing costs?

This is a debate that needs to be had I don't have all the answers.

ZX7R

Minister of education has confirmed that the leaving cert will begin o Wednesday the 29th of July.
Timetabling of the exams will be released during the first week of June.
Source rte breaking news

pjohnson

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

This is a debate that needs to be had I don't have all the answers.

But without *any* answers your idea is utterly pointless.

jimmytwotimes 2013

ZX7R wrote: »

Minister of education has confirmed that the leaving cert will begin o Wednesday the 29th of July.
Timetabling of the exams will be released during the first week of June.
Source rte breaking news

Dunno why timetabling is taking that long if they know the starting date

r93kaey5p2izun

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

This is a debate that needs to be had I don't have all the answers.

So, you want everything to open up and let the virus spread widely. You want to protect the elderly. You have no ideas on how this could be done.

ZX7R

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Dunno why timetabling is taking that long if they know the starting date

Maybe because all exams might not happen in the school,they may have to use community halls or other such required buildings for social distancing.
Other than that I've no idea about the timetable

iamwhoiam

Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: »

So, you want everything to open up and let the virus spread widely. You want to protect the elderly. You have no ideas on how this could be done.

It not up to the public to know how it could be done . Look at the work done to get hospitals sorted and testing up and running and supports in place . Everyone got involved and tried as best they could to make things work .Not only the HSE and the Department but at ground level the constants , nurse managers and nurses had to re think and think outside the box

Every small cog is vital in the effort to figure it out . And teachers are a cog in the wheel who need to be involved and pro active
It takes the involvement of the Departments , The unions , the management , the principal and the whole staff and teachers .

jimmytwotimes 2013

iamwhoiam wrote: »

It not up to the public to know how it could be done . Look at the work done to get hospitals sorted and testing up and running and supports in place . Everyone got involved and tried as best they could to make things work .Not only the HSE and the Department but at ground level the consultants , nurse managers and nurses had to re think and think outside the box

Every small cog is vital in the effort to figure it out . And teachers are a cog in the wheel who need to be involved and pro active
It takes the involvement of the Departments , The unions , the management , the principal and the whole staff and teachers .

Leo dismissed that principals can organise conditions for a return to schools without clear guidelines from Dept and minister when he spoke on Prime Time so they'll have to wait from instruction from further up the chain or be liable if it goes wrong.

iamwhoiam

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Leo dismissed that principals can organise conditions for a return to schools without clear guidelines from Dept and minister when he spoke on Prime Time so they'll have to wait from instruction from further up the chain or be liable if it goes wrong.

I didn’t for one minute think it would be down to a principal to organise it
What I am saying is every cog will need to think outside the box and be open to suggestions.

jimmytwotimes 2013

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I didn’t for one minute think it would be down to a principal to organise it
What I am saying is every cog will need to think outside the box and be open to suggestions.

Waste of effort until instructions come from Dept

Murple

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

How many school children or teachers live with the over 70s?

Quite a number actually. Plus it's not just the over 70s who were asked to cocoon/who are at much higher risk of complications or serious illness. It's also those with heart disease, diabetes, asthma, compromised immune systems, cancer, lung disorders such as COPD or Cystic Fibrosis...

To say let it spread among the children and get it over with is ignorant to say the least. Do you think children are all in boarding school and don't go home to households with a variety of other people?
Boris Johnson isn't over 70. He is considered to be fairly fit and active. He came close to losing his life. He too was very blasé about it all until he got ill.
I could near guarantee that once schools were reopened, people would feel we no longer had a problem and start to mix and interact. Businesses would start demanding people came back in to the office and wouldn't be happy to have people working from home anymore. Everywhere would become busy again. Buses and trains would go back to being jam packed at rush hours. Within a few weeks, we would see a huge increase in Covid-19 cases.

iamwhoiam

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Waste of effort until instructions come from Dept

Wow !!

jimmytwotimes 2013

ZX7R wrote: »

Maybe because all exams might not happen in the school,they may have to use community halls or other such required buildings for social distancing.
Other than that I've no idea about the timetable

Those issues would be specific to every locality and would be resolved after the timetable is done not before

jimmytwotimes 2013

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Wow !!

Good chat

kandr10

iguana wrote: »

It was in the report of the WHO-China Joint Mission on
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) that was published in February. You can find it and read through it. But the specific paragraph on transmission from children reads; "The Joint Mission learned that infected children have largely been identified through contact tracing in households of adults. Of note, people interviewed by the Joint Mission Team could not recall episodes in which transmission occurred from a child to an adult." The German study into the boy infected in Austria only backs up the WHO's early findings from China.

It was still right that we closed schools when we did, the early data could have proved as wrong as the early indications about lack of asymptomatic spread. But right now, the smartest thing to do would be to make no changes for children until we know more about if it really is true that they are not spreaders and then let them return to schools that are as near to normal as possible in September.

The ecdc as of March were not saying this in their faq. Their take is that there simply is not enough evidence. The numbers of children included in the study in China were relatively small. Also, since testing generally is proving difficult, further efforts to gather data are insufficient to back up the claims made that children are low transmitters.
It would be madness to assume that was the case and make decisions based on it unless there was concrete evidence. Given that widespread testing is generally proving difficult, I doubt that sufficient data would be gathered to back up claims. Therefore, what you’re left with is gradual easing of restrictions, then a wait and see approach for two weeks to judge the effects.

Mrsmum

I saw a restaurant featured on tv, didn't catch where, but each table was in a screened off booth with even a glass/perspex screen down the centre each table also. Sounds mad to be looking at your dinner date through a screen but needs must. If there is no end to this virus, maybe they will have to build a see through booth around each child's desk and a protection screen in front of the teacher too. Not really serious but you never know !

kandr10

There’s been a few posts throughout this thread saying the virus may be here for a year/few years and we need to learn to live with it. Why do you suppose this might be the case? I mean, obviously no one really knows but is there any evidence to back up such opinions or is it conjecture?

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Mrsmum wrote: »

I saw a restaurant featured on tv, didn't catch where, but each table was in a screened off booth with even a glass/perspex screen down the centre each table also. Sounds mad to be looking at your dinner date through a screen but needs must. If there is no end to this virus, maybe they will have to build a see through booth around each child's desk and a protection screen in front of the teacher too. Not really serious but you never know !

Schools will have to open up as normal once there's little to no transmission within the community. There is no way around this, they cannot stay closed indefinitely. Schools in China closed for about 10 weeks or so, some less.

Ours have been closed for 6 weeks already so can't see any reason that they will be closed longer than schools that were at the epicentre of the pandemic.

There won't be any extreme measures in place with the exception of maybe increased focus on hygiene/cleaning. Provision of sanitisers in the buildings etc and more stringent cleaning procedures in the schools.

I don't think social distancing will be a major part of that plan as its not possible to implement or enforce especially with younger kids.

Children in little glass boxes won't be part of our back to normal

China reopening schools have implemented some new measures: temperature checks, hand sanitiser, staggering of classes/lunches, smaller classes (down to average of 30 students per class from 50 usually) distancing at break times, disinfecting schools every day.

ILoveYourVibes

kandr10 wrote: »

There’s been a few posts throughout this thread saying the virus may be here for a year/few years and we need to learn to live with it. Why do you suppose this might be the case? I mean, obviously no one really knows but is there any evidence to back up such opinions or is it conjecture?

That is the way it is with every virus.

r93kaey5p2izun

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Schools will have to open up as normal once there's little to no transmission within the community. There is no way around this, they cannot stay closed indefinitely. Schools in China closed for about 10 weeks or so, some less.

Ours have been closed for 6 weeks already so can't see any reason that they will be closed longer than schools that were at the epicentre of the pandemic.

There won't be any extreme measures in place with the exception of maybe increased focus on hygiene/cleaning. Provision of sanitisers in the buildings etc and more stringent cleaning procedures in the schools.

I don't think social distancing will be a major part of that plan as its not possible to implement or enforce especially with younger kids.

Children in little glass boxes won't be part of our back to normal

China reopening schools have implemented some new measures: temperature checks, hand sanitiser, staggering of classes/lunches, smaller classes (down to average of 30 students per class from 50 usually) distancing at break times, disinfecting schools every day.

Schools in Wuhan still have not opened. They plan to open for final year high school students only on May 6th.

Boggles

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

China reopening schools have implemented some new measures: temperature checks, hand sanitiser, staggering of classes/lunches, smaller classes (down to average of 30 students per class from 50 usually) distancing at break times, disinfecting schools every day.

Mandatory masks, aggressive rapid testing, a highly sophisticated instant tracing system, a populous that will do exactly what they are told.

We have none of those things.

Wuhan are opening up final year students next month, schools remain closed.

kandr10

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That is the way it is with every virus.

The comments I read seem to be implying that the virus will be as ... well ... virulent as it is now though. Is there anything to back that up I’m wondering? Obviously it’s not going to be obliterated but would exist in the population at manageable levels. The debate going on here appears to be on one side, people who believe as stringent restrictions that currently exist need to be overcome to get kids back to school and on the other hand, those who want general restrictions to be eased before schools are re opened. The first cohort of people seem to think it’s unlikely that we will get to the level the second cohort are discussing any time soon. I’m wondering the basis for this.

khalessi

I am just popping this up here as it could be an important development re the reopening of schools and something to watch out for:

Most children if they get Covid19 cope well and recover but there is a rise over the last few weeks in UK of children presenting with a multi-system inflammatory state requiring intensive care across London and also in other regions of the UK.'

They are saying it is Covid19 related and looks similar to toxic shock syndrome and Kawasaki disease which, combined, cause harmful internal swelling, fever and breathing problems - all hallmark signs of COVID-19


https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exc...027496.article


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-children.html


If so this virus is mental in how it is affecting people and constantly changes and develops

starbaby2003

khalessi wrote: »

I am just popping this up here as it could be an important development re the reopening of schools and something to watch out for:

Most children if they get Covid19 cope well and recover but there is a rise over the last few weeks in UK of children presenting with a multi-system inflammatory state requiring intensive care across London and also in other regions of the UK.'

They are saying it is Covid19 related and looks similar to toxic shock syndrome and Kawasaki disease which, combined, cause harmful internal swelling, fever and breathing problems - all hallmark signs of COVID-19


https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exc...027496.article


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-children.html


If so this virus is mental in how it is affecting people and constantly changes and develops

Neither of those links work. Irrespective, using the daily mail as a source to promote fear among parents to further your own agenda is downright dangerous behaviour.

Link added to reiterate why it is not a reliable source. Fact checking being the first issue with their stories https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website

khalessi

starbaby2003 wrote: »

Neither of those links work. Irrespective, using the daily mail as a source to promote fear among parents to further your own agenda is downright dangerous behaviour.

Hence also quoted link to Health Service Journal buts thanks for your concern and I do not have agenda, I believe in being informed.

https://www.hsj.co.uk/

Scroll down it is the headline

trapp

khalessi wrote: »

Hence also quoted link to Health Service Journal buts thanks for your concern and I do not have agenda, I believe in being informed.

https://www.hsj.co.uk/

Scroll down it is the headline

I would have serious doubts over the reliability of either the daily mail or the 'health service journal'

Having read the article there doesn't seem to be much connection to coronavirus other than the headline.

Clickbait??

khalessi

trapp wrote: »

I would have serious doubts over the reliability of either the daily mail or the 'health service journal'

Having read the article there doesn't seem to be much connection to coronavirus other than the headline.

Clickbait??

Look it is the doctors and gps talking about it would you prefer the guardian it is there too.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/nhs-warns-of-rise-in-children-with-new-illness-that-may-be-linked-to-coronavirus

It is something the medical community are highlighting

A few weeks ago we didnt know about loss of smell or pink eyes in relation to Covid19, so I just highlighted here as it is good to be aware

starbaby2003

khalessi wrote: »

Look it is the doctors and gps talking about it would you prefer the guardian it is there too.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/nhs-warns-of-rise-in-children-with-new-illness-that-may-be-linked-to-coronavirus

It is something the medical community are highlighting

A few weeks ago we didnt know about loss of smell or pink eyes in relation to Covid19, so I just highlighted here as it is good to be aware

Neither have said it is related. They both indicated it might be, there is also a big chance it might not be. The reason I think you are pushing an agenda is you are not stating facts. You are misrepresenting them to fit with what you believe they are. This is not how to ‘just share information’

khalessi

starbaby2003 wrote: »

Neither have said it is related. They both indicated it might be, there is also a big chance it might not be. The reason I think you are pushing an agenda is you are not stating facts. You are misrepresenting them to fit with what you believe they are. This is not how to ‘just share information’

Look I dont have an agenda so get a grip. I am not misprepresenting anything, as I said in previous children who get Covid recover well from it. It is good to be aware so I quoted the guardian for you since you can use it as a source.

Hopefully it amounts to nothing but good to know considering that a version of the warning has also been sent to all specialist doctors working in paediatric intensive care units in UK hospitals by the Paediatric Intensive Care Society in UK. THey are highlighting it and they are medical professionals.

Or is it not worth highlighting until there are 16 studies on it?

starbaby2003

khalessi wrote: »

Look I dont have an agenda so get a grip. I am not misprepresenting anything, as I said in previous children who get Covid recover well from it. It is good to be aware so I quoted the guardian for you since you can use it as a source.

Hopefully it amounts to nothing but good to know considering that a version of the warning has also been sent to all specialist doctors working in paediatric intensive care units in UK hospitals by the Paediatric Intensive Care Society in UK. THey are highlighting it and they are medical professionals.

Or is it not worth highlighting until there are 16 studies on it?

Can you point out your source for this ? Who are they? Specifically the ones saying IT IS COVID

‘They are saying it is Covid19 related and looks similar to toxic shock syndrome and Kawasaki disease which, combined, cause harmful internal swelling, fever and breathing problems - all hallmark signs of COVID-19’

Again, all I am saying is there is enough misinformation doing the rounds. Verify your sources, verify your facts.

No I don’t think 16 studies are needed but stating something is something when there is absolutely no proof it is, is irresponsible. It may very well be the case, there is a link but let’s wait for the science and not misquote articles to back up theories.