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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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    #9722
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    Again you are just showing you haven't a clue. This is for the new Junior Cycle reform and it is to account for the time spent in SLARS and subject meetings etc. There is more to it than that but you can look it up if your that interested.

    It is sweet f all to do with if you are teaching a class sitting a state exam.

    How many class contact hours a week do you have?

    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    No need for the patronising teacher attitude.....

    If the first point you make is insurance and renting, that would seem a very easy thing to overcome. If there is a will there is a way, hotels have meeting rooms etc which aren't being used at the moment? Its easy to point to problems if you want to.

    Maybe the remote option is provided by some teachers who are afraid to go back to the classroom? A proper online portal - fully agree, but not the hour or two which many provided from Feb this year....

    I believe some are looking in to hiring the convention centre. It'll be interesting to see if the secure.


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    #9723
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Made up by the tui? Lol

    Lol yourself.

    I have 22 hours and I teach 6th years i.e an exam class.

    Calling me a liar , eh , eh?

    Have a break. You need it.


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    #9724
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    How many class contact hours a week do you have?




    I believe some are looking in to hiring the convention centre. It'll be interesting to see if the secure.

    It is already being hired out by our wonderful TDs


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    #9725
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    khalessi wrote: »
    It is already being hired out by our wonderful TDs

    They were probably willing to pay for it


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    #9726
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    How many class contact hours a week do you have?




    I believe some are looking in to hiring the convention centre. It'll be interesting to see if the secure.

    They'll have to kick the aul TDs out!!

    I wonder where any school would find the 25K daily hire fee!!!


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    #9727
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    They were probably willing to pay for it

    €50,000 a day


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    #9728
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Blondini wrote: »
    Lol yourself.

    I have 22 hours and I teach 6th years i.e an exam class.

    Calling me a liar , eh , eh?

    Have a break. You need it.

    22 hours contact time, that's a lot less than the pre school workers or any public facing role


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    #9729
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    khalessi wrote: »
    €50,000 a day

    I doubt it, the local community centre was considered a luxury by the bom


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    #9730
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    I doubt it, the local community centre was considered a luxury by the bom

    That is what the TDs are paying.


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    #9731
    Oranage2
    Registered Users Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Any news when the universities might open?


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    #9732
    alroley
    Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    22 hours contact time, that's a lot less than the pre school workers or any public facing role

    I don't think preschool would be a lot more than that...

    Also you're forgetting about S&S, which will likely be increased next year due to all the absences. When schools closed in March I was only 2 hours off the limit for the year and that's not including the non-S&S favours I did for covering classes when our deputy couldn't find a sub.


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    #9733
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Any news when the universities might open?

    DCU and UCD are fully online until Christmas or so I read a while back.


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    #9734
    F5500
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭F5500


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Any news when the universities might open?

    My brother going in to 1st year in UL and they're looking at going back 1 week on campus, 3 weeks at home.

    Can't 100% remember when he said what date they'd be back, but late September iirc.


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    #9735
    newuser99999
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭newuser99999


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    DCU and UCD are fully online until Christmas or so I read a while back.

    No universities have said that they are to be fully online..


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    #9736
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    22 hours contact time, that's a lot less than the pre school workers or any public facing role

    I know right! A lot less.

    And better holidays.


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    #9737
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Blondini wrote: »
    I know right! A lot less.

    And better holidays.

    46% less that a standard 39 hour week for most public facing roles.


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    #9738
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    46% less that a standard 39 hour week for most public facing roles.

    So do you believe that face to face contact time is all teaching is?


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    #9739
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Greensoup wrote: »
    I have 2 leaving cert classes and 2 3rd year classes as part of my timetable....I have 32 forty minute class periods per week which is 21.3 teaching hours. The Assisstant Principal 1 are people like year heads...some of their 22 hours is set aside for year head admin such as absent notes etc so they have a few hours less class teaching for this.

    I assume you meant to quote Alrigghtythen and not me here

    Ap1s now generally have two whole school roles or one very big one. Year head is no longer acceptable by itself.


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    #9740
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    khalessi wrote: »
    So do you believe that face to face contact time is all teaching is?

    Where did I say that? That's an odd conclusion for you to jump to.

    Is the concern not the amount of time the teacher will be in the poorly ventilated room with the students? I'm just quantifying the time teachers are in the poorly ventilated room with the students.


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    #9741
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    How many class contact hours a week do you have?




    I believe some are looking in to hiring the convention centre. It'll be interesting to see if the secure.

    I taught about 24 contact hours last year along with being an AP1 so I was Year Head to 2 years, in charge of Assessment across the school and ICT. I also coach 2 teams in the school. I had 2 leaving cert classes. The correcting for them alone would have been around 10 hours per week. This would be more for an English teacher in fairness so I won't complain too much. Roughly for every hour you teach you can assume 1 hour of prep and correcting, more at the start of your career where you wouldn't have that much experience and things would take longer. And of course I am a practical subject teachers so also equipment and chemicals need preparing.


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    #9742
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    46% less that a standard 39 hour week for most public facing roles.

    Don't forget the fur-lined whiteboard erasers, valet parking and the Cuban cigars at lunchtime...


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    #9743
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Where did I say that? That's an odd conclusion for you to jump to.

    Is the concern not the amount of time the teacher will be in the poorly ventilated room with the students? I'm just quantifying the time teachers are in the poorly ventilated room with the students.

    I am just asking a question and looking for a yes or no answer. Simple


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    #9744
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    How many class contact hours a week do you have?




    I believe some are looking in to hiring the convention centre. It'll be interesting to see if the secure.

    I taught about 24 contact hours last year along with being an AP1 so I was Year Head to 2 years, in charge of Assessment across the school and ICT. I also coach 2 teams in the school. I had 2 leaving cert classes. The correcting for them alone would have been around 10 hours per week. This would be more for an English teacher in fairness so I won't complain too much. Roughly for every hour you teach you can assume 1 hour of prep and correcting, more at the start of your career where you wouldn't have that much experience and things would take longer. And of course I am a practical subject teachers so also equipment and chemicals need preparing.

    So what do you do? Can I have a breakdown of exactly how you spend your hours every day?

    I worked in private industry and in a university. I work longer hours now


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    #9745
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    khalessi wrote: »
    I am just asking a question and looking for a yes or no answer. Simple

    It's an odd question but I'll humour you

    So do you believe that face to face contact time is all teaching is?
    No


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    #9746
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    It's an odd question but I'll humour you

    So do you believe that face to face contact time is all teaching is?
    No

    THank you as I was confused from your posts and wanted to clarify.


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    #9747
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    I taught about 24 contact hours last year along with being an AP1 so I was Year Head to 2 years, in charge of Assessment across the school and ICT. I also coach 2 teams in the school. I had 2 leaving cert classes. The correcting for them alone would have been around 10 hours per week. This would be more for an English teacher in fairness so I won't complain too much. Roughly for every hour you teach you can assume 1 hour of prep and correcting, more at the start of your career where you wouldn't have that much experience and things would take longer. And of course I am a practical subject teachers so also equipment and chemicals need preparing.

    So what do you do? Can I have a breakdown of exactly how you spend your hours every day?

    I worked in private industry and in a university. I work longer hours now

    Your prep and correction time are not student contact time unless you are doing your prep in the class while the students are there. If so you'll need to make alternative arrangements for extra year.


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    #9748
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,768 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Made up by the tui? Lol

    Class contact time in Ireland is one of the highest in Europe. Also class contact time isn't the only work done. Lessons don't prepare themselves and classwork doesn't correct itself


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    #9749
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    Class contact time in Ireland is one of the highest in Europe. Also class contact time isn't the only work done. Lessons don't prepare themselves and classwork doesn't correct itself

    Can you not do your prep and correction in another location other than in the class with all the students present? Theres a virsus going around.


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    #9750
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Can you not do your prep and correction in another location other than in the class with all the students present? Theres a virsus going around.

    What other location, all the rooms are being used remember? sure you are telling us to rent out the local church or whatever. I cannot leave the site as I am a Year Head. Our current prep room might fit 4 people with SD at a stretch. Hopefully the practical rooms won't need to be timetabled all classes but I'm not really sure what staff will do in between classes for planning. I imagine it will vary massively depending on schools


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    #9751
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    What other location, all the rooms are being used remember? sure you are telling us to rent out the local church or whatever.

    You ask what other locations and then you say I've been telling you other locations. Read the other locations I already gave then?

    * I never said the local church, but hey if its a viable option. It might have side rooms or be useful for music or choir practice. I did say community centres and a few other places


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