Another General election is inevitable when all of this over...

antimatterx

LuasSimon wrote: »

Should FF and FG just merge into a new super party to keep out socialists , nationalists , poor people etc out.

A sort of Tory Conservative Irish party model.

Nope. We don't want to FF near our party. It's bad enough we have to work with them. They have 0 talented politicians. I used to think Stephen Donnelly was good, but his performances over the last few months leave a lot to be desired.

antimatterx

antimatterx wrote: »

Nope. We don't want to FF near our party. It's bad enough we have to work with them. They have 0 talented politicians. I used to think Stephen Donnelly was good, but his performances over the last few months leave a lot to be desired.

But what is a major political,social issue or general ethos that is difference between em,that would prevent a merger???


Like yous are junior party in the new coalition,quite how a party who preceive emselves as better than everyone else ended up in such a position, deosnt seem an endorsement from.the electorate of your opion??

Yurt2

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yeah and?

I've never called people genuinely on the dole through no fault of their own scroungers.

Jusy the self entitled Margaret Cash's of the world and there is many of them in this country.

And you know that.

Margaret Cash, Venezuela, Margret Cash, Venezuela, Margret Cash, Venezuela.

Congratulations, you may now collect your next FG Cubscout badge.

Yurt2

antimatterx wrote: »

Nope. We don't want to FF near our party. It's bad enough we have to work with them. They have 0 talented politicians. I used to think Stephen Donnelly was good, but his performances over the last few months leave a lot to be desired.

Are you seriously suggesting FG is brimming with talent?

Coveney and Donohoe at a stretch I'd listen to. The rest, not exactly Rhodes Scholars.

Sorry, but you're overrating yourselves big-time there. But then again you are 'the party of competence' so the pretence that FG is some sort of magnet for towering intellects must be maintained even in the face of reality.

stayback

antimatterx wrote: »

Nope. We don't want to FF near our party. It's bad enough we have to work with them. They have 0 talented politicians. I used to think Stephen Donnelly was good, but his performances over the last few months leave a lot to be desired.

Now as the previous poster said Coveney, Leo and paschal well able for the job.. the rest I’m afraid are bluffers and are completely out of touch with what’s happening in reality.

FF outside of M McGrath, big Jim ,stephen Donnelly jack chambers are limited enough too.

Sinn Fein outside of Mary Lou ,Pearse Doherty , & Eoin o brion have nothing of substance at all.

theballz

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Don't think FG would wipe the floor.

https://www.joe.ie/amp/politics/latest-opinion-poll-sees-fine-gael-maintain-surge-fianna-fail-take-big-hit-697278?utm_content=bufferd8d25&utm_medium=Social+organic&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer#click=https://t.co/x65Gh3dzPy

Think again

Bobtheman

It's amazing some of the scaremongering on this site.
Social unrest ?
The ECB will be central here. What their attitude will be to debt? It will be different from 2008 as we were in a minority then debt wise.
It's just too soon to tell how this is going to play out economically.
As to FG/FF they are making a huge mistake excluding SF.
The Greens are making a huge mistake by coming up with fantasy politics proposals.7% reduction in carbon emissions per year ? What fxxxx country has done that ? They will be hammered if they don't enter. Same for the SDP.
Both rely on middle class voters who are not delusional about politics unlike people before profit.
I woulnt also assume a deal to be done between FF/FG yet. Because FF looking at latest opinion polls might make FF think twice or push them towards SF. It's like the guy in the indo wrote today- they are Pepsi and coke. Similar products. If they are on the same government shelf people will only want one in the end.

Fann Linn

theballz wrote: »

https://www.joe.ie/amp/politics/latest-opinion-poll-sees-fine-gael-maintain-surge-fianna-fail-take-big-hit-697278?utm_content=bufferd8d25&utm_medium=Social+organic&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer#click=https://t.co/x65Gh3dzPy

Think again

One poll and FG are creamin themselves.

Leonard Hofstadter

Fann Linn wrote: »

One poll and FG are creamin themselves.

Two actually; the RedC one a month ago had them on 34%.

The stories in the papers over the weekend about FG being in no rush to get a Government together are right.... much better to go to the polls again and ask the people what they want now.

Hopefully this time we can have a much better FG vote, and the country can have a Government with a proper solid majority, and then we can have the proper leadership we deserve to pull us out of this crisis.

Given how much the Greens have been wrestling with their consciences just to even agree to talk with Leo and Micheál, who here honestly believes they will survive the reality of being in Government, especially when the inevitably very unpopular budget gets introduced in the Autumn? I also think it is moronic in the extreme for both parties to just be pursuing the Greens, a majority of five is wafer thin and won't last kissing time as TDs will inevitably resign, or by-elections happen, etc.

Blaze420

I think a rerun might be the best option, anything to shut the door and keep the Greens out. The ****in neck of them to be issuing demands when 94% of the electorate rejected them and don’t want the tax happy tree hugging bellends within a roar of government. Oh and put SF in there too so their followers might finally learn some maths and realise 24% of a vote is not a majority

Bobtheman

Opinion polls can be like spring showers. Who saw the size of the SF surge last time or the collapse of FF. Lots of predictions of FF getting 60 seats??
Personally I'm sick of FG/FF but I'm also sick of the vegetables and the SDP. Both have run for cover

Eric Cartman

I think a re run would see the makings of a fg/ff coalition with a heavier fg presence and no need to involve the anti rural greens. The SF vote was a one trick protest vote not to be repeated

Bobtheman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think a re run would see the makings of a fg/ff coalition with a heavier fg presence and no need to involve the anti rural greens. The SF vote was a one trick protest vote not to be repeated

I would not agree-when the dust settles on this-people will still want a decent health service and decent hosing. The health service is doing fine because a huge amount of operations have been cancelled. Housing has fallen behind because building has been paused but good to see Evictions paused, but they cant be paused forever as that forces landlords with mortgages to subsidize people. That business model would unravel if extended. Rent freezes fair enough but you cant just let people stay rent free in places or pick their own rent
Thus the problems that led to a SF surge are still there-you know.

Floppybits

Bobtheman wrote: »

I would not agree-when the dust settles on this-people will still want a decent health service and decent hosing. The health service is doing fine because a huge amount of operations have been cancelled. Housing has fallen behind because building has been paused but good to see Evictions paused, but they cant be paused forever as that forces landlords with mortgages to subsidize people. That business model would unravel if extended. Rent freezes fair enough but you cant just let people stay rent free in places or pick their own rent
Thus the problems that led to a SF surge are still there-you know.

I agree. The housing and health issues are still there, they have just been overshadowed by the COVID-19 pandemic. I have already seen articles in papers from GP's who are saying people are not coming to them with non Covid related problems. I seen one headline where a GP has not seen a new cancer diagnosis since the lockdown.

On the housing issues the waiting lists are still there, there are still families living in poverty and families living in a hotel room. I have often thought of those families living a hotel room and wondered how are they getting on during the lockdown? Especially when so many are struggling with entertaining kids during the lockdown imagine it must be horrible to do it in a single room.

Bobtheman

At least another election would get the ****ing covid off the telly for awhile

Edgware

Bobtheman wrote: »

At least another election would get the ****ing covid off the telly for awhile

I reckon it will be called sometime around 2023

mariaalice

Edgware wrote: »

I reckon it will be called sometime around 2023

I say 2001 its just too messy as it is emerging, the independents or some rural group that have grandiose notions of turning back the tide of urbanisation combined with some mumbled ideas about rural Ireland will be the first to bailout. The greens are savvier this time and will stick it out I think.

Bobtheman

mariaalice wrote: »

I say 2001 its just too messy as it is emerging, the independents or some rural group that have grandiose notions of turning back the tide of urbanisation combined with some mumbled ideas about rural Ireland will be the first to bailout. The greens are savvier this time and will stick it out I think.

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mariaalice

2021 maybe:P