Covid-19 Kerry

ongarboy

Quackster wrote: »

Healy Rae on Radio One there a while ago basically arguing that the schools should be closed and the pubs should be open.

The mind boggles.

So basically he's saying close the places he has no vested interest in but open the places he has....

oeb

John_Rambo wrote: »

Because people were a lot more careful then. Now, they're throwing caution to the wind, just read xxyyzz's post about Cassidy's, you didn't have that going on during the summer.

You seem to be misremembering the summer in Kerry. Particularly in Killarney.

BPKS

John_Rambo wrote: »

Because people were a lot more careful then. Now, they're throwing caution to the wind, just read xxyyzz's post about Cassidy's, you didn't have that going on during the summer

Also there was a lot more al fresco dining, windows were open and restaurants were better ventilated because of the warmer weather. Covid doesn't like ventilated areas, but it loves indoor areas with no ventilation. It's time for further caution.

People were not more careful during the summer.

Were you in Killarney or Dingle or Banna during the summer. Everyplace was rammed.

Ciarrai76

Well the restaurants will most likely be closing or have takeaway etc again after the 28th (nothing confirmed). The government want this nipped in the bud again before New Years. The house parties will be rampant! The North of Ireland are going into another set of restrictions from the 26th Dec.

I saw a tweet from a hotel in Killarney saying they have 4 small weddings booked in from after Christmas up to New years which now may have to be cancelled and they were asking for urgent clarity on what is going to happen.

I would have loved a meal in a restaurant, but seeing the amount of social media photos of people I know out with groups of 6 + I think I was best staying at home. Lots of Christmas parties happening, despite the government asking not to do it. People aren't really listening now, it will be harder and harder to get them to the longer this goes on. People are fed up.

John_Rambo

BPKS wrote: »

People were not more careful during the summer.

Were you in Killarney or Dingle or Banna during the summer. Everyplace was rammed.

No, I was being careful during the summer. It will come to light that the school infections came from adults behaving irresponsibly. The Claremorris case was from a huge funeral gathering and Cavan cases were from adults boozing in groups during the Ulster final, others were from religious parties.

An Ciarraioch

Yeesh - 33 cases today, presumably a large number from Killorglin:

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1339991549392941059

JohnGreenFan

Some restaurants are doing a great job - could highly recommend new restaurant Molly Js in the back of Benners. Went for a meal there Wednesday night, tables well separated out, lots of space at the tables, very enjoyable.

The_Kitty

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I am nervous about the lad going to school anyway, but with this news I think today is his last day before Christmas, I cant see things getting better, and the risk will just get greater with each day.

I think schools should be high on the list for vaccinations, it might not be a vulnerable category but it is a viable hub for spreading the virus. The trouble with schools is that because kids get colds all the time, and they don't come down with heavy C19 symptoms the virus has a real chance to get a good grip, as this latest outbreak shows.

Are children going to get the vaccine?

kev_Makaveli

The_Kitty wrote:

Are children going to get the vaccine?

Not the pfizer one anyway. It's for 16 and up.

An Ciarraioch

20 today, average up to 90, and 134 cases over the last fortnight:

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/024de-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-saturday-19-december/#cases-by-county

An Ciarraioch

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1340704943653662721

Ciarrai76

considering what the UK have done with their tier 4 lockdown (with very little notice) and the North of Ireland are doing from the 26th, it wouldn't be a shock if the government here do another bit of a lockdown with non-essential shops after New years (if not before). I have a feeling its likely!

newman10

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

considering what the UK have done with their tier 4 lockdown (with very little notice) and the North of Ireland are doing from the 26th, it wouldn't be a shock if the government here do another bit of a lockdown with non-essential shops after New years (if not before). I have a feeling its likely!

Why ??

Is Shopping the issue or Socialising

Ciarrai76

newman10 wrote: »

Why ??

Is Shopping the issue or Socialising

I don't know!? I'm just saying there's a chance it could happen again very soon. Its happening in the North from the 26th for 6 weeks! I don't know what they will do, its just my opinion....

SlowBlowin

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

considering what the UK have done with their tier 4 lockdown (with very little notice) and the North of Ireland are doing from the 26th, it wouldn't be a shock if the government here do another bit of a lockdown with non-essential shops after New years (if not before). I have a feeling its likely!

Yes I believe that will happen too, although I think a ban on inter county travel (expect goods and essential services) and a county specific set of measures is more appropriate.

SlowBlowin

Having lived there for a while I love how the Aussies do emergency, this is how to an inter county lockdown in a pandemic:

Skip though to the Queensland reporter.

Quackster

newman10 wrote: »

Why ??

Is Shopping the issue or Socialising

Being indoors in the presence of other human beings is the problem.

oeb

newman10 wrote: »

Why ??

Is Shopping the issue or Socialising

Does it matter? It's not like we have a realistically functioning track and trace system to actually tell us. These repeated lockdowns are a failure of government, and in a lot of cases, politically reactionary and along arbitrary lines.

Sardonicat

oeb wrote: »

Does it matter? It's not like we have a realistically functioning track and trace system to actually tell us. These repeated lockdowns are a failure of government, and in a lot of cases, politically reactionary and along arbitrary lines.

And your proposed measures for slowing the spread are what exactly?

oeb

Sardonicat wrote: »

And your proposed measures for slowing the spread are what exactly?

We need to know where it's actually spreading. I have no problems with lockdowns, when they are needed. But it's bonkers saying things like "We can't open wet pubs because it's too dangerous, but we can open pubs that also serve food" or "We can open busy grocery stores but someone can't go buy a pair of jeans". "Horse racing is ok, but golf is not". Especially when despite promises that we would, we still are not adequately tracing where it is actually spreading.


The lines that are drawn in the sand are about political point scoring more than anything else.

Paul Weller

oeb wrote: »

We need to know where it's actually spreading. I have no problems with lockdowns, when they are needed. But it's bonkers saying things like "We can't open wet pubs because it's too dangerous, but we can open pubs that also serve food" or "We can open busy grocery stores but someone can't go buy a pair of jeans". "Horse racing is ok, but golf is not". Especially when despite promises that we would, we still are not adequately tracing where it is actually spreading.


The lines that are drawn in the sand are about political point scoring more than anything else.

The food pubs and wet pubs issue is quite an easy one to figure out

oeb

Paul Weller wrote: »

The food pubs and wet pubs issue is quite an easy one to figure out

Pretend I am thick, explain it to me.

Sardonicat

oeb wrote: »

We need to know where it's actually spreading. I have no problems with lockdowns, when they are needed. But it's bonkers saying things like "We can't open wet pubs because it's too dangerous, but we can open pubs that also serve food" or "We can open busy grocery stores but someone can't go buy a pair of jeans". "Horse racing is ok, but golf is not". Especially when despite promises that we would, we still are not adequately tracing where it is actually spreading.


The lines that are drawn in the sand are about political point scoring more than anything else.

I think there is enough evidence to close the food serving pubs and restaurants at this stage, Its pretty obvious that the way people behave in them is driving spread. The difference between clothes and food shopping should be pretty obvious. You need food so you to the supermarket and pick up what you need, place it in your trolley pay at the checkout and leave. Plus, we all need food to survive.You need new jeans you have to handle several pairs and maybe need to visit several outlets before you find the right size, cut and fit. It takes longer and there is a greater risk. The main consideration for whst activities are allowed should be the way people behave to perform them.

Salvadoor

Rows Grower wrote: »

Salvadoor was in a boxing match with Slowblowin', the following morning he had two black eyes.

The evidence seems to point to he got a few boxes into the head within the previous 24 hours, more than likely from Slowblowin'.

It's not a fact, but a strong likelihood.

<snip> Name calling will not be tolerated. MOD


Happy Christmas you two - don't use too much tin foil, save it for the turkey

Sardonicat

oeb wrote: »

Pretend I am thick, explain it to me.

How are you at counting?

oeb

Sardonicat wrote: »

I think there is enough evidence to close the food serving pubs and restaurants at this stage, Its pretty obvious that the way people behave in them is driving spread. The difference between clothes and food shopping should be pretty obvious. You need food so you to the supermarket and pick up what you need, place it in your trolley pay at the checkout and leave. Plus, we all need food to survive.You need new jeans you have to handle several pairs and maybe need to visit several outlets before you find the right size, cut and fit. It takes longer and there is a greater risk. The main consideration for whst activities are allowed should be the way people behave to perform them.

See, the principal of these things is fine. Pubs and restaurants closed? Grand. Pubs closed, restaurants open? Ya right, I have been in both when they were open last time, there is functionally no difference other than the price point. Some places taking the piss, some places properly distancing etc.

Any time I have been up to the big tesco in Killarney it has been like slalom racing moving around people having a catch up in the aisles.

Sardonicat

oeb wrote: »

See, the principal of these things is fine. Pubs and restaurants closed? Grand. Pubs closed, restaurants open? Ya right, I have been in both when they were open last time, there is functionally no difference other than the price point. Some places taking the piss, some places properly distancing etc.

Any time I have been up to the big tesco in Killarney it has been like slalom racing moving around people having a catch up in the aisles.

And that should be policed and stopped by staff. But we do need to be able to get purchsse food. We don't need to go out for a meal and pints.

oeb

Sardonicat wrote: »

And that should be policed and stopped by staff. But we do need to be able to get purchsse food. We don't need to go out for a meal and pints.

These things are not policed, and I don't think minimum wage staff in a super market should be running around telling people to move along and follow the law.


Of course we don't need to go for meals or pints. I never said we did need to, I said drawing a line between the two of them is arbitrary.

Ciarrai76

Lads, reign it in a bit & stop the sniping and insults. MOD

SlowBlowin

I posted that video as I was amazed at the magnitude difference between the Irish and Australian response.

Australia has less than 50 cases, yet if you want to travel between NSW and Queensland then you have to stay 14 days in a police run hotel, at your own expense (or have a boarder pass for essential worker).

The other interesting point is the worst of Sydney infection was spread at the Hair Saloon.

There is a lot of intercounty travel going on in Kerry at the moment, and people still travelling to the UK for Christmas, I found the contrast between the two approaches huge.