John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

lawrencesummers

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

if they win nothing changes, if a cop asks you where you're going he can't stop you.

You should put your theory to the test over the weekend.

Ash.J.Williams

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

if they win nothing changes, if a cop asks you where you're going he can't stop you.

Oh dear.....

plodder

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I don’t doubt for a second that the legislation won’t stand up to decent scrutiny, that the government know this but hope it will get us through the lockdown before it’s taken apart.

While it may not be technically correct it’s obviously necessary and probably the best thing that could be done at the time.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think lawyers and politicians like to be certain about these things, and they just aren't in this case. It's untested, but I think there is a case to be made that the law is constitutional, but it relies on a frighteningly small number of words in the constitution, and more on judgements over the years. But, I'm not a judge or even a lawyer. So, what do I know? :pac:

lawrencesummers

plodder wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think lawyers and politicians like to be certain about these things, and they just aren't in this case. It's untested, but I think there is a case to be made that the law is constitutional, but it relies on a frighteningly small number of words in the constitution, and more on judgements over the years. But, I'm not a judge or even a lawyer. So, what do I know? :pac:

Me neither, no legal background, but it’s strange that the Gardai are directed not to make arrests for this just to inform the DPP. That kicks the can down the road far enough, it’s possible that an arrest under incorrect legislation could lead to ramifications against the state.

Maybe someone can answer how this legislation has been brought into effect without a Seanad having approved it.

And just to be clear, it’s the technicality of the legislation that I’m dubious of, not the purpose of it, i fully understand and accept the purpose of it.

plodder

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Me neither, no legal background, but it’s strange that the Gardai are directed not to make arrests for this just to inform the DPP.

Maybe someone can answer how this legislation has been brought into effect without a Seanad having approved it.

It was approved by the outgoing (and current at the time) Seanad. I think a Seanad election has to be held within some period of time after a Dail election, but the election came later, but still within the required period. Right now, we are in that limbo where no primary legislation can be enacted because there is no new Taoiseach to appoint the final 11 members of the Seanad.

blueythebear

Access has been blocked on chancery place according to the times. One unidentified "friend" allowed to enter court with our brave plaintiffs. No doubt they will attempt a live stream from inside the court

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/n_sweeny/status/1255075292705632256

JohnnyFlash

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/n_sweeny/status/1255075292705632256

It’s hardly needs to be said again, but what an appalling human being GoD is.

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JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It’s hardly needs to be said again, but what an appalling human being GoD is.

What a ridiculous woman. Hope they lose their court case.

maestroamado

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

if they win nothing changes, if a cop asks you where you're going he can't stop you.

I did technically break the rules at the beginning, the cops did notice as i was in Galway in reg not common in Galway.
There was this car with 2 men it caught up on me gradually, stayed behind for awhile, then as traffic slowed overtook and had a good look.
They then slowed so i would pass and were around me for 10 mins.
Then as we came to shopping centre they were sitting outsite just behind me at lights, when the lights changed they just went straight on.
I know they do nothing as i drove to Galway, picked up message and drove home. I had a good story if i was stopped but didn't want the bother...

AndrewJRenko

osarusan wrote: »

She should have moved to the US, that anti-communisim stuff doesn't really have much of an audience here.

If we were to do a crowdfunder for a one-way ticket?

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AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If we were to do a crowdfunder for a one-way ticket?

Don't forget John Waters as well. Two one-way tickets.

The Black Oil

The state of her, telling the Garda will lose her pension, job and uniform. More pathetic than funny.

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The Black Oil wrote: »

The state of her, telling the Garda will lose her pension, job and uniform. More pathetic than funny.

She is very quick to film others but when she is being filmed, she virtually runs away, covering her face.

lawrencesummers

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Me neither, no legal background, but it’s strange that the Gardai are directed not to make arrests for this just to inform the DPP. That kicks the can down the road far enough, it’s possible that an arrest under incorrect legislation could lead to ramifications against the state.

Maybe someone can answer how this legislation has been brought into effect without a Seanad having approved it.

And just to be clear, it’s the technicality of the legislation that I’m dubious of, not the purpose of it, i fully understand and accept the purpose of it.

Oh dear.

You are making assertions about a law being unconstitutional but don't understand the basics of the prosecution services.

Multiple people have been arrested

Needles73

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/n_sweeny/status/1255075292705632256

What a horrible nasty person she truly is.

whippet

she is now walking an ever finer line with direct threats to members of the AGS

You will comply

I will have you stripped of your uniform, your job and your pension

what a horrible horrible thing to say to a front line worker doing their job and trying to enforce legislation that is designed to keep everyone safe and reduce unnecessary deaths.

Her ego is now being rubbed so hard by all the press attention - negative as it may - it will fuel her to behave even worse. Probably leading to an arrest and her declaring that she is up there with other patriots like connolly and pearse.

I hope that the failure in the high court costs her every penny she has

Coillte_Bhoy

Needles73 wrote: »

What a horrible nasty person she truly is.

For months now, maybe years "its all coming to an end very shortly, the people wont take much more etc" :pac::pac::pac:

freddie1970

There must be a how to deal with Gemma O'Doherty training course in templemore at this stage ...In fairness i think we all need it ...

dan1895

Watch what happens when the reporter tries to ask a legitimate question. Blocked and ignored just like when she is challenged online.

All for freedom of speech but refuses to answer questions.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1255121212973465602?s=19

lawrencesummers

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Oh dear.

You are making assertions about a law being unconstitutional but don't understand the basics of the prosecution services.

Multiple people have been arrested

Who has been arrested? Link.

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^^ Just watched the above footage. Gas the way a man stands in front of the tv camera, to try block Gemma being filmed but it's ok for her followers to film the guards doing their jobs.

Allinall

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Who has been arrested? Link.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5368656/coronavirus-ireland-gardai-dublin-arrest-man-covid-powers/


https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0421/1132940-charges-covid-19/

lawrencesummers

dan1895 wrote: »

Watch what happens when the reporter tries to ask a legitimate question. Blocked and ignored just like when she is challenged online.

All for freedom of speech but refuses to answer questions.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1255121212973465602?s=19

Doesn’t seem to bother the Mask wearing old guy at the end that he pushes a woman over into the barrier.

They should all be thrown into the river, and if the legislation they are trying to turnover is so strong then why don’t they arrest them????

lawrencesummers

Allinall wrote: »

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5368656/coronavirus-ireland-gardai-dublin-arrest-man-covid-powers/


https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0421/1132940-charges-covid-19/

Oh dear


You should really read what you linked. The first guy was for 5million Worth of coke, and the second article doesn’t cover the story properly. This one does and it’s from the same day...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/arrests-under-covid-19-legislation-more-than-quadruple-in-a-week-1.4234307?mode=amp


Where it clearly says....
According to a Garda spokesman, these were incidents which “started as potential breaches of the regulations, but during the incidents other offences were disclosed.

“As such, long-standing legislation for offences such as public order, assault, road traffic, and drugs was used instead. This included incidents involving house/street parties, gatherings beyond the family unit, and non-essential travel“


So they are not using the legislation to arrest people, the arrests are for other offenses.

Allinall

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Oh dear


You should really read what you linked. The first guy was for 5million Worth of come, and the second article doesn’t cover the story properly. This one does and it’s from the same day...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/arrests-under-covid-19-legislation-more-than-quadruple-in-a-week-1.4234307?mode=amp


Where it clearly says....

First guy was " arrested in Ballymun for breaching the Health (Preservation and Protection and other Emergency Measures in the Public Interest) Bill, 2020."

Is that not what you asked?

If not, apologies.

lawrencesummers

Allinall wrote: »

First guy was " arrested in Ballymun for breaching the Health (Preservation and Protection and other Emergency Measures in the Public Interest) Bill, 2020."

Is that not what you asked?

If not, apologies.

If you read that article it’s pretty clear that there is a lot more to the case than is being reported. His arrest came after the Gardaí consulted the DPP not as a result of a roadside check, he is charged related to 5million worth of Coke. The details of the case are obviously not fully known.

The simple Fact is that Gardaí for whatever reason are not arresting people for this legislation, the arrests are being made for other things as a result of traffic stops that are in place because of this.

The Gardaí have been told to refer breaches to the DPP. If the powers were to be used immediately then them bunch of muppets that rocked up to support GemmaFood would have been the perfect time to put people in the back of a van with the national media present.

bocaman

People are unable to attend funerals, unable to see aged and sick parents and these far right anti-Irish morons can swarm around the Four Courts. Each and every one of them should be arrested.

CosmicFool

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Doesn’t seem to bother the Mask wearing old guy at the end that he pushes a woman over into the barrier.

They should all be thrown into the river, and if the legislation they are trying to turnover is so strong then why don’t they arrest them????

He didn't push her though. She turned around and fell back into the barrier. They're all idiots being there so close to each other. I can't understand how the Gardai won't arrest them. They are clearly not abiding to social Distances and don't need to be there

blueythebear

CosmicFool wrote: »

He didn't push her though. She turned around and fell back into the barrier. They're all idiots being there so close to each other. I can't understand how the Gardai won't arrest them. They are clearly not abiding to social Distances and don't need to be there

Apparently everyone there today and last week are being investigated with directions being sought from the dpp ....one can but hope

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blueythebear wrote: »

Apparently everyone there today and last week are being investigated with directions being sought from the dpp ....one can but hope

Just wondering how would they know who everyone is? Feel sorry for the child in that group.

blueythebear

Be right back wrote: »

Just wondering how would they know who everyone is? Feel sorry for the child in that group.

Ah it wouldnt be too hard to ID most of them... its all the usual suspects i imagine. They all had the intelligence to make sure they were photographed anyway so you could easily ID them via facebook probably

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blueythebear wrote: »

Ah it wouldnt be too hard to ID most of them... its all the usual suspects i imagine. They all had the intelligence to make sure they were photographed anyway so you could easily ID them via facebook probably

One benefit of Facebook, I suppose!!

freak scence

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Doesn’t seem to bother the Mask wearing old guy at the end that he pushes a woman over into the barrier.

They should all be thrown into the river, and if the legislation they are trying to turnover is so strong then why don’t they arrest them????

that's that dope that was asking to bring your trycolour last week :pac:

freak scence

Be right back wrote: »

Just wondering how would they know who everyone is? Feel sorry for the child in that group.

5g masts

trashcan

The Black Oil wrote: »

The state of her, telling the Garda will lose her pension, job and uniform. More pathetic than funny.

It's disgusting behaviour, makes me angry to be honest. Talk about a sense of entitlement. You just know she's dying to get a reaction from the Guard. What a weapon she is.

HeidiHeidi

trashcan wrote: »

It's disgusting behaviour, makes me angry to be honest. Talk about a sense of entitlement. You just know she's dying to get a reaction from the Guard. What a weapon she is.

You'd want Olympic levels of patience not to react

pjohnson

Gemma is set to lead the peoples revolt on May 5th I thought?

Like Nelson Mandela crossed with William Wallace no?

TaurenDruid

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The simple Fact is that Gardaí for whatever reason are not arresting people for this legislation, the arrests are being made for other things as a result of traffic stops that are in place because of this.

The Gardaí have been told to refer breaches to the DPP. If the powers were to be used immediately then them bunch of muppets that rocked up to support GemmaFood would have been the perfect time to put people in the back of a van with the national media present.

You may not understand how the judicial system and prosecutions work in this country.

trashcan

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

You'd want Olympic levels of patience not to react

Both Guards did very well to keep cool I think. Doubt if I could have managed it.

Dravokivich

bocaman wrote: »

People are unable to attend funerals, unable to see aged and sick parents and these far right anti-Irish morons can swarm around the Four Courts. Each and every one of them should be arrested.

They're neither right, nor left, nor centre.

They've an old stick used to mix up fresh paint from the can, that they are stirring sh!te with now, becuase they cant go buy paint.

HeidiHeidi

Dravokivich wrote: »

They're neither right, nor left, nor centre.

They've an old stick used to mix up fresh paint from the can, that they are stirring sh!te with now, becuase they cant go buy paint.

lawrencesummers

TaurenDruid wrote: »

You may not understand how the judicial system and prosecutions work in this country.

You may not understand how spin and PR works. The powers that be are making a very public attempt to convince the public that this legislation is working, workable and enforceable when it clearly isnt. Their hope is that it will get past this bank holiday weekend before falling asunder.

Tell me more about this judicial system.

Shefwedfan

CosmicFool wrote: »

He didn't push her though. She turned around and fell back into the barrier. They're all idiots being there so close to each other. I can't understand how the Gardai won't arrest them. They are clearly not abiding to social Distances and don't need to be there

Arrest them? That’s exactly what these clowns want. The Garda are right, let them at it....

Too many idiots around with mobiles, you arrest them and next thing you will get more supporters just because they hate the Garda, like that clown over in Findlay, the PBP d**khead. Same crap and then all over the press

Let them at it, what they have about 50 clowns at it and about 50 pres? The press are bigger gob****s

I did see one thing which they got right, pres guy asking why they had no masks and standing so close....he had no mask and was pushing up against people to get closer!!!!! Dopes all of them
Including the media

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/UnOfficialGaa/status/1255213683116032001

Pataman

lawrencesummers wrote: »

You may not understand how spin and PR works. The powers that be are making a very public attempt to convince the public that this legislation is working, workable and enforceable when it clearly isnt. Their hope is that it will get past this bank holiday weekend before falling asunder.

Tell me more about this judicial system.

The legislation is working as have flattened the curve massively, but dont worry about the truth or facts.

TaurenDruid

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Tell me more about this judicial system.

Gardaí may (or may not) arrest, and may refer matters to the Director of Public Prosecutions. The DPP decides whether or not to prosecute.

Long_Wave

People mock Gemma and John now but in 6 months time, if there's no jobs and no dole people will think differently

shaveAbullock

Long_Wave wrote: »

People mock Gemma and John now but in 6 months time, if there's no jobs and no dole people will think differently

The goverment are considering removing jobseekers allowance?

Shefwedfan

Long_Wave wrote: »

People mock Gemma and John now but in 6 months time, if there's no jobs and no dole people will think differently

Why?