Truth about traveller crime

purifol0

I just watched the program there. Some of the stories from residents and small business owners would break your heart. Police clearly cannot be counted on. The official statements just cop out responsibility and the old cliche of "we don't have the resources" is just that. Sentencing (same as over here) does not reflect the crimes committed either.

Children pelting cars with bricks essentially creating no go zones and acting as turf enforcers for the area around halting sites is just proof that these are organised crime gangs that just happen to be families as well.

When no one (not cops, not residents, not politicians) wants to speak out publicly against them for fear of their lives we've ALL got a problem.

Maybe it's just the availability of social media but it seems like it's getting worse. Even if it isn't, by Christ it's bad enough.

sasta le

sligojoek wrote: »

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Was it always spelt that way? With the fada on the e, I assume it's pronounced "minkair". I never heard the word till I came to Sligo. I used to hear people talking about the "minkers". I had to ask somebody what it meant.

Its seems to be the new woke PC way of saying it.
Ive a feeling there is alot of travellers who wouldnt assoicate with certain travellers in real life bt will milk a living from it

JJayoo

Travellers have terrible luck when driving, almost every adult has multiple cases of whiplash, tis awful, thankfully the claims cover their recovery....

sligojoek

"I forget, even refuse to remember her name. Anne ****in stupid name anyway"

That's what you call an ambassador.

goose2005

sligojoek wrote: »

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Was it always spelt that way? With the fada on the e, I assume it's pronounced "minkair". I never heard the word till I came to Sligo. I used to hear people talking about the "minkers". I had to ask somebody what it meant.

Are travellers seriously claiming to be "indigenous"? When Partholón arrived in Ireland from Noah's flood, was there a mincéir encampment trying to sell him wolfhounds?

Also mincéir appears to be a Gaelicisation of what is more likely a modification of English 'tinker'. For example, the Secret Languages of Ireland:

minkʹer ‘a tinker’ (minkr, minkūr, minkyer: minkler L′, minkier A, nacer G). Minkʹer tāral ‘tinker’s
talk’, ‘Shelta’. Irish, from English, tinncéir [tinkʹēr].

JJayoo

Plenty of English travellers coming in on the ferrys

tayto lover

Oops! wrote: »

Ah here, If i rocked up to the Curragh with the kids and a few mates and we pitched tent we wouldn't have the last peg driven into the ground they would be there to get rid of us.... The country needs to grow a serous set of BALLS. Not only in these times but to deal with them in general.

It takes a court order ( which takes a lot of time ) to get rid of them.
That happened to a man who lives near me, he had a field they drove into. They stayed until the last possible day before leaving.
Costs on him too.

mynamejeff

tayto lover wrote: »

It takes a court order ( which takes a lot of time ) to get rid of them.
That happened to a man who lives near me, he had a field they drove into. They stayed until the last possible day before leaving.
Costs on him too.

petrol is a lot cheaper these days

ehma249

17yo, 3 kids, police let funeral go ahead.

Wonder what was going on here

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A 17-year-old man has died after he was hit by a motorcycle at a funeral attended by 150 people in defiance of coronavirus physical distancing rules.

Aaron Smith, who had three children, suffered fatal head injuries in the incident near Sittingbourne, Kent, on Thursday.

Police officers did not intervene to stop the funeral taking place despite being informed about it the previous evening.

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Max H

https://www.facebook.com/SouthCambsCops/posts/1782658151877221

shaveAbullock

What the police claimed happened their is that they had no idea that such a large gathering was planned and so did not have the number of officers available to safely disperse such a crowd.

Tiredalways

sligojoek wrote: »

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Was it always spelt that way? With the fada on the e, I assume it's pronounced "minkair". I never heard the word till I came to Sligo. I used to hear people talking about the "minkers". I had to ask somebody what it meant.

Minker is supposedly an old Scottish term . Never heard it outside of sligo myself tbh.

MINKER, n. A term of abuse for any disreputable ragamuffin or rowdy ; a tinker, a vagrant (Abd. 1963).

goose2005

Tiredalways wrote: »

Minker is supposedly an old Scottish term . Never heard it outside of sligo myself tbh.

MINKER, n. A term of abuse for any disreputable ragamuffin or rowdy ; a tinker, a vagrant (Abd. 1963).

The Scots dictionary suggests that it actually comes from "mink", an old Scots term for a noose. https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/minker (itself a borrowing of Irish muince, "collar, necklet")

shaveAbullock

Sindy Joyce uses the word very frequently on social media. Sometimes with the é and sometimes without.
Is it actually a very common word amongst Irish travellers? And does the use of the accent over the e change the meaning?

goose2005

shaveAbullock wrote: »

Sindy Joyce uses the word very frequently on social media. Sometimes with the é and sometimes without.
Is it actually a very common word amongst Irish travellers? And does the use of the accent over the e change the meaning?

No, it's a term invented by activists. As seen above, it originated as a Scots term for a generally disreputable person, and isn't even Irish.

Discodog

Just had our usual notification that the traveller horses are loose on the Headford Road Galway. Several have been hit by cars, over the years but nothing changes.

JJayoo

That's racist

Travellers are a wonderful people and definitely not inbred cnuts

shaveAbullock

goose2005 wrote: »

No, it's a term invented by activists. As seen above, it originated as a Scots term for a generally disreputable person, and isn't even Irish.

She uses the term in her PhD, you would think that if it's not a legitimate term she would not be able to use it in the title.

PhD thesis

Mincéirs Siúladh: an ethnographic study of young Travellers’ experiences of racism in an Irish city

https://ulir.ul.ie/bitstream/handle/10344/7535/Joyce_2018_Minceirs.pdf?sequence=6

Masters thesis

Divided Spaces: An Examination of everyday racism and its impact on young Travellers spatial mobility

https://www.academia.edu/28572681/Divided_Spaces_An_Examination_of_everyday_racism_and_its_impact_on_young_Travellers_spatial_mobility

Do either of these meet the standard of a masters or PhD thesis?
I've read a number of bachelor degree thesis in the past and I don't believe they meet that standard

I do not have any experience of the standard required for sociology though.
Would it be considerably lower that other subjects?

deaddonkey15

shaveAbullock wrote: »

She uses the term in her PhD, you would think that if it's not a legitimate term she would not be able to use it in the title.

PhD thesis



https://ulir.ul.ie/bitstream/handle/10344/7535/Joyce_2018_Minceirs.pdf?sequence=6

Masters thesis



https://www.academia.edu/28572681/Divided_Spaces_An_Examination_of_everyday_racism_and_its_impact_on_young_Travellers_spatial_mobility

Do either of these meet the standard of a masters or PhD thesis?
I've read a number of bachelor degree thesis in the past and I don't believe they meet that standard

I do not have any experience of the standard required for sociology though.
Would it be considerably lower that other subjects?

They seem well written to me, albeit inherently biased.

I really don’t attach any great significance to masters degrees or PhDs in topics like this, it’s obvious that she decided her conclusion before she started her “research”.

shaveAbullock

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

They seem well written to me, albeit inherently biased.

I really don’t attach any great significance to masters degrees or PhDs in topics like this, it’s obvious that she decided her conclusion before she started her “research”.

A masters thesis that's 10 pages long?
These are peer reviewed so it would be not be accepted if they were biased.
Sociology is not a mock subject for someone to study. It has legitimate uses.

Atlantic Dawn

Starting now on Channel 4.

Eric Cartman

shaveAbullock wrote: »

She uses the term in her PhD, you would think that if it's not a legitimate term she would not be able to use it in the title.

PhD thesis



https://ulir.ul.ie/bitstream/handle/10344/7535/Joyce_2018_Minceirs.pdf?sequence=6

Masters thesis



https://www.academia.edu/28572681/Divided_Spaces_An_Examination_of_everyday_racism_and_its_impact_on_young_Travellers_spatial_mobility

Do either of these meet the standard of a masters or PhD thesis?
I've read a number of bachelor degree thesis in the past and I don't believe they meet that standard

I do not have any experience of the standard required for sociology though.
Would it be considerably lower that other subjects?

I scrolled to a random page and theres a table where traveller kids interviewed (a massive sample size of 6 boys , 6 girls .... no non binary / trans / attack helicopters in there I see, tut tut) universally rate shopping centres as racially controlled and traveller events as open and inclusive.... :rolleyes:

sasta le

Read down through her Twitter posts not one call out of the Traveller Community

chosen1

goose2005 wrote: »

No, it's a term invented by activists. As seen above, it originated as a Scots term for a generally disreputable person, and isn't even Irish.

It's fairly common in Longford to refer to them as Minks and you'd sometimes here them call themselves Minkers.

I would say like a lot of 'Cant' or Shelta words, that it's a deliberate corruption of Tinker.

Loads of words seems to have changed to be secretive, such as 'tobar' instead of bothar for road or 'laceen' instead of cailín for girl

deaddonkey15

shaveAbullock wrote: »

A masters thesis that's 10 pages long?
These are peer reviewed so it would be not be accepted if they were biased.
Sociology is not a mock subject for someone to study. It has legitimate uses.

It is very easy to detect elements of bias in her writing.

Working class heroes

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

It is very easy to detect elements of bias in her writing.

Bit like the posts here.

punisher5112

Could I do a thesis on how they've affected my life?

deaddonkey15

Working class heroes wrote: »

Bit like the posts here.

If you like.

boombang

punisher5112 wrote: »

Could I do a thesis on how they've affected my life?

No, you'd be clapped in irons for hate speech.

shaveAbullock

punisher5112 wrote: »

Could I do a thesis on how they've affected my life?

Perhaps, I assume you could at least fill 10 pages at font size 11 or 12?
That would put you at masters level.