Bulgarian workers/Keelings - read OP (threadbans listed)

mgn

https://www.newstalk.com/news/covid-19-workers-brought-ireland-pick-seasonal-fruits-1001269

Keelings charter a flight from Bulgaria to bring in a plane load of fruit pickers, otherwise we would have no strawberries to eat.

Meanwhile Irish people are in lockdown an not allowed to go to work to stop the spread of Covid-19.

Whats going on here, why is this sort of thing allowed.

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normanoffside

mgn wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/covid-19-workers-brought-ireland-pick-seasonal-fruits-1001269

Keelings charter a flight from Bulgaria to bring in a plane load of fruit pickers, otherwise we would have no strawberries to eat.

Meanwhile Irish people are in lockdown an not allowed to go to work to stop the spread of Covid-19.

Whats going on here, why is this sort of thing allowed.

Keelings confirmed all workers will do 14 days of isolation before being allowed to work

https://twitter.com/daily_stendhal/status/1250854659167830019

GetWithIt

Did you apply for one of the fruit picking jobs yourself?

leavingirl

mgn wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/covid-19-workers-brought-ireland-pick-seasonal-fruits-1001269

Keelings charter a flight from Bulgaria to bring in a plane load of fruit pickers, otherwise we would have no strawberries to eat.

Meanwhile Irish people are in lockdown an not allowed to go to work to stop the spread of Covid-19.

Whats going on here, why is this sort of thing allowed.

Do you get it, yet? Do you get it?

The lockdown is not for your safety.
I think this story is finally going to wake a lot of people up.

I couldn't attend a family funeral. But 200 Eastern Europeans are allowed to come into Irleand with no questions asked.

The Police State is disgusting and an attack on Irish people. People will have to be held accountable for this.

Class MayDresser

This could go all pear shaped for Keelings. Gonna be a lot of sour grapes around.

quokula

mgn wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/covid-19-workers-brought-ireland-pick-seasonal-fruits-1001269

Keelings charter a flight from Bulgaria to bring in a plane load of fruit pickers, otherwise we would have no strawberries to eat.

Meanwhile Irish people are in lockdown an not allowed to go to work to stop the spread of Covid-19.

Whats going on here, why is this sort of thing allowed.

The lockdown doesn’t and has never affected people who need to get to work in order to keep the rest of the country fed, regardless of their nationality. I would have thought this goes without saying.

Notdeco

So a lot of Irish are without jobs now, and would love to get outside and work.

Yet people are being flown into the country to work?

Yea what could go wrong?
Keelings are going to pay the price for this imo.

s1ippy

My understanding, as told to me by a lad who had tried to get work with them, is that they get food and board on the site and by providing this the company then skirts paying minimum wage, as they're just helpers and not officially employees, only paying them expenses incurred and pocket money.

Plumbthedepths

I'm curious as to level of skill the recently imported professional fruit pickers have? Did they train under a Zen master to be one with the fruit or is it as I suspect their willingness to work long hours at physical tough work for a pittance?

Btw Keelings, I will never buy your products again or off a company you supply to.

mgn

quokula wrote: »

The lockdown doesn’t and has never affected people who need to get to work in order to keep the rest of the country fed, regardless of their nationality. I would have thought this goes without saying.

So you think its okay to fly in a plane load of people to pick strawberries.

Duke of Url

Notdeco wrote: »

So a lot of Irish are without jobs now, and would love to get outside and work.

Yet people are being flown into the country to work?

Yea what could go wrong?
Kellings are going to pay the price for this imo.

lol . Are you saying Irish people would get off there arse to pick fruit?

People who lost there jobs are getting paid 350 a week to sit on the couch.

Notdeco

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm curious as to level of skill the recently imported professional fruit pickers have? Did they train under a Zen master to be one with the fruit or is it as I suspect their willingness to work long hours at physical tough work for a pittance?

Btw Keelings, I will never buy your products again or off a company you supply to.

Euro to a cent its the latter.

Disgraceful carry on in my opinion.

punisher5112

This is exactly why they want refugees and others coming in as it's cheap as chips labour....


Many many Irish wouldn't dream of these jobs also.....

We really should look at Australia and so on where anyone coming in has to does these types of jobs for a year and then can move on after....

mulbot

The government will come out now with some bull s11t statement. The whole scam is unravelling.

Irish people are too good for that kind of more now, wouldn't do it.

I used to know a chap with mushroom tunnels. Couldn't get an Irish person for love or money during the Tiger years. Brought in the Lithuanians and they developed a great relationship. Come the recession everyone wanted him to send them home but sure why would he. Even then, still couldn't keep an Irish person when any new roles arose.

Fruit and veg picking is hard work and will always be lowly paid. It seems to be a characteristic of developed societies that you can't find people to do low paid menial work with little chance of progression.

We either too well qualified or else happy to rely on welfare.

Duke of Url

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm curious as to level of skill the recently imported professional fruit pickers have? Did they train under a Zen master to be one with the fruit or is it as I suspect their willingness to work long hours at physical tough work for a pittance?

Btw Keelings, I will never buy your products again or off a company you supply to.

Keeling supply Tesco and Aldi. Are these supermarkets on the naughty list now?

Plumbthedepths

quokula wrote: »

The lockdown doesn’t and has never affected people who need to get to work in order to keep the rest of the country fed, regardless of their nationality. I would have thought this goes without saying.

You are describing essential workers, a planeload of people expressly flown to the country to pick fruit does not meet the essential criteria in my eyes. Surely Keelings would have found a willing 200 in the almost 800,000 jobless here.

mulbot

The whole thing is unravelling.

punisher5112

Duke of Url wrote: »

lol . Are you saying Irish people would get off there arse to pick fruit?

People who lost there jobs are getting paid 350 a week to sit on the couch.

Exactly this, they wouldn't get €350 for doing that back breaking work....

mgn

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm curious as to level of skill the recently imported professional fruit pickers have? Did they train under a Zen master to be one with the fruit or is it as I suspect their willingness to work long hours at physical tough work for a pittance?

Btw Keelings, I will never buy your products again or off a company you supply to.

Its basically slave labour,

Jinglejangle69

Race to the bottom.

Supply and demand.

Aldi Lidl.

Boycott them if it annoys you so much.

But don't we love the cheap food.

Plumbthedepths

Duke of Url wrote: »

Keeling supply Tesco and Aldi. Are these supermarkets on the naughty list now?

I thought it was obvious when I said I wouldn't buy the products they supply. I believe Tesco's sells many thousands of products not sourced from Keelings for eg Dairygold, Heinz Ketchup etc etc.

Plumbthedepths

mgn wrote: »

Its basically slave labour,

Agreed .

plodder

mgn wrote: »

So you think its okay to fly in a plane load of people to pick strawberries.

What's your point? You are being done out of a job, or you just don't want immigrants?

timetogo1

mgn wrote: »

Meanwhile Irish people are in lockdown an not allowed to go to work to stop the spread of Covid-19.

Whats going on here, why is this sort of thing allowed.

Where did you get that impression?

Of course food providers are allowed to work. This is obvious to anybody who's been in a supermarket in the last month.
I did a quick Google and Keelings are advertising for people. I don't think there's anything stopping you applying.

Notdeco

Duke of Url wrote: »

lol . Are you saying Irish people would get off there arse to pick fruit?

People who lost there jobs are getting paid 350 a week to sit on the couch.

Maybe you, but I'd rather travel and work than sit on my arse!
And so would many others like to get out of the house and feel like they are doing something.
But I am still working, if I wasn't and saw people being brought in to work. When there is a work force here, wanting to work. Why the **** would I not be pissed off?!
It's people like you I hate, always putting down our own.
When most of us are hard working.

So many are out of jobs.
Yet we get dickhead posts like this!

Shame on you!
Really. Shame on you.

mulbot

plodder wrote: »

What's your point? You are being done out of a job, or you just don't want immigrants?

You've done well to try twist the point, didn't quite work.

declanflynn

Notdeco wrote: »

So a lot of Irish are without jobs now, and would love to get outside and work.

Yet people are being flown into the country to work?

Yea what could go wrong?
Keelings are going to pay the price for this imo.

A lot of Irish wouldn't do that type of work

Plumbthedepths

plodder wrote: »

What's your point? You are being done out of a job, or you just don't want immigrants?

That's some leap.

ricero

Absolutely vile stuff. Will be boycotting keelings from now on.

mulbot

declanflynn wrote: »

A lot of Irish wouldn't do that type of work

I'm sure we could've found 200 though who would.

Kermit.de.frog

Quite a few here seem to believe the fruit picks itself.

Bizarre.

Quantum Erasure

mulbot wrote: »

The whole thing is unravelling.

peoples sanity? yeah

plodder

mulbot wrote: »

You've done well to try twist the point, didn't quite work.

What is your point then?

D.Q

plodder wrote: »

What is your point then?

Strange that someone would design a bot and actually call it a bot

Duke of Url

Notdeco wrote: »

Maybe you, but I'd rather travel and work than sit on my arse!
And so would many others like to get out of the house and feel like they are doing something.
But I am still working, if I wasn't and saw people being brought in to work. When there is a work force here, wanting to work. Why the **** would I not be pissed off?!
It's people like you I hate, always putting down our own.
When most of us are hard working.

So many are out of jobs.
Yet we get dickhead posts like this!

Shame on you!
Really. Shame on you.

Faux outrage.

Plumbthedepths

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Quite a few here seem to believe the fruit picks itself.

Bizarre.

How did you arrive at that. You are the only one who has suggested fruit picks itself. You are making an argument to have with yourself.

ricero

Would love to know if these workers were tested for covid 19 ?

I would say they more than likely were not.

TheValeyard

I wonder what other companies are doing the same thing?

mulbot

plodder wrote: »

What is your point then?

I think you know.

declanflynn

mulbot wrote: »

I'm sure we could've found 200 though who would.

would they be fast enough, between smoking and the phone I'd say a lot of the strawberries would rot

mgn

plodder wrote: »

What's your point? You are being done out of a job, or you just don't want immigrants?

My point has nothing to do with the job the are doing or immigrants,

In case you have being living under a rock for the past few weeks, we are in the middle of pandemic and people being brought into the country without being tested.
Ask any health care worker what the think of it before you start trying to play the race card sh*t with me.

Easy Rod

This is like the perfect storm of racists, social welfare haters and covid-19 conspiracy theorists all arriving into one thread.

lawred2

mulbot wrote: »

The government will come out now with some bull s11t statement. The whole scam is unravelling.

The scam being the global pandemic!

Orchestrated by a North Dublin fruit farm?

Amazing.

Jurgen Klopp

Blue in the face from trying to explain this.

These employers here and in the UK do not want locals because they would have to pay the minimum wage along with various other cover.

They bring in loads of people from poor places such as Romania through agencies and pay them what is considered ok in their country.

They get shoved dozens to a shed and get the pleasure of paying back their employer 50% if not more of their wage for "room and board"

It works for them as the take home pay that would see them homeless here would be handy enough when they go back home.

Look at the UK, the various agencies and that have been moaning for weeks and yet they keep telling locals the positions have been filled only to go public moaning again about shortages and how "they need special dispensation" to bring in migrant workers

It's slave labour they want and I mean it, be lucky come out with €5 an hour after you've paid your "generous employer" back for the room and board

Be some crack maintaining social distancing in lodgings more crammed than an army barracks

However in saying that if lads want their own citizens get these jobs without having to still pay loads welfare like a dole top up to €203 then we'll have to expect to pay at least 2/3/4 times what we pay for picked fruit and veg now.

Cody montana

Great news.
Keeping the food chain going.
Fresh fruit for all!

TheBeach

It's not slave labour the wages are quite good 400-500 work per week and they live in site. HOWEVER I don't know how many hours they do per week for that salary. The same workers come back year after year, so it mustn't be too bad. I'd love to know who keelings chose this recruitment route though. I certainly wouldn't consider them an Irish food producer.

sydthebeat

I hope revenue are all over Keelings after this

Cody montana

ricero wrote: »

Absolutely vile stuff. Will be boycotting keelings from now on.

More yummy fresh fruit for us!

Jinglejangle69

Some people were calling for Michael O leary as minister for health here a few weeks ago!!


Same people now outraged.

Dravokivich

Duke of Url wrote: »

lol . Are you saying Irish people would get off there arse to pick fruit?

People who lost there jobs are getting paid 350 a week to sit on the couch.

Some of them didn't even lose their jobs!