Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

ronano

branie2 wrote: »

Cinemas are reopening in August, but it'll be worth the wait.

didn't see that referenced in the plan or online, got a link?

Tommybojangles

What's the angle on here today? Is the government a joke for being too cautious and only listening to doctors or are they a joke for being reckless and only caring about money?
I cant keep up

Strumms

timsey tiger wrote: »

I don't buy this. No politician left or right wants to tank the economy or cause needless suffering to its population, that it will be asking for a vote a few years down the line.

I think they are just way too over cautious, afraid of our media and afraid of upsetting our European partners, who had no problems closing borders and siezing ppe.

A shorter stricter earlier lock-down with borders closed to movement of people, would have suited left and right, it just needed the balls our cautious politicians don't have. This is across the board, people forget that Sinn Fein voted to bailout the banks.

I think we are in fact agreeing, a more proactive call on lockdown was needed and the balls to make it happen and enforce it too.

timsey tiger

Strumms wrote: »

I think we are in fact agreeing, a more proactive call on lockdown was needed and the balls to make it happen and enforce it too.

For sure, I just don't think left or right came into it.

timsey tiger

Tommybojangles wrote: »

What's the angle on here today? Is the government a joke for being too cautious and only listening to doctors or are they a joke for being reckless and only caring about money?
I cant keep up

Need a poll, I'm for a tragedy for being too cautious. The should have ripped if the bandage straight away, like Soeul did and said sorry for the loss of privacy later when everybody was safe and well.

Wibbs

timsey tiger wrote: »

A shorter stricter earlier lock-down with borders closed to movement of people, would have suited left and right, it just needed the balls our cautious politicians don't have. This is across the board, people forget that Sinn Fein voted to bailout the banks.

Yeah it's across the board alright, but I'm not so sure it's entirely caution, more a fear of making a clear move that could come back to bite them and they'd have to take responsibility for. Even then bugger all would happen, save for some "tribunal" that would line a few barrister's pockets and being seen to do the right thing. The electorate can have short memories too, which politicians in democracies tend to rely on.

With this crisis they can always pull the hindsight defence with a sideorder of pointing fingers at nations who did worse than us, while ignoring those who did much better. Keep it all calm and measured for the suburban housewives and job done.

8-10

ronano wrote: »

didn't see that referenced in the plan or online, got a link?

Leo mentioned it would be in a further phase in his speech, Irish Times have reported on it being August:

A phased return to normal work will start around this time. Shopping centres will reopen as well as theatres and cinemas that can maintain social distancing.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-the-reopening-ireland-plan-in-detail-1.4242985?mode=amp

JP Liz V1

99 currently in ICU

hmmm

Strumms wrote: »

I think we are in fact agreeing, a more proactive call on lockdown was needed and the balls to make it happen and enforce it too.

The public support was not there for an earlier lockdown.

I think the timing was right. Public support was there so it didn't require heavy-handed enforcement, and groups like the vitners couldn't complain. Some people will only tolerate a short lockdown for whatever reason, so we didn't want to impose it too early.

Hego Damask

Micheal O Leary was saying July flights would resume, but I go to ryanair.com now and I can buy a flight from Dublin-Barcelona from May22 - May 24 ?

Why are that site still taking bookings ? surely that's illegal, especially when their CEO has said it will be July earliest when Ryanair resumes flights

timsey tiger

hmmm wrote: »

The public support was not there for an earlier lockdown.

I think the timing was right. Public support was there so it didn't require heavy-handed enforcement, and groups like the vitners couldn't complain. Some people will only tolerate a short lockdown for whatever reason, so we didn't want to impose it too early.

Well I didn't say lack of balls for no reason.

Leaders are supposed to lead, not follow public opinion.

iamwhoiam

There was no mention of children at all . I presume when families are allowed visit each other it includes children ?
Then in my opinion two or three kids will have to be allowed play together before they open schools again ,
That way it can be assessed if its a problem that needs addressing

hmmm

timsey tiger wrote: »

Well I didn't say lack of balls for no reason.

Leaders are supposed to lead, not follow public opinion.

Introducing a lock-down when public support wasn't there would have been a disaster. We'd have needed heavy-handed enforcement by the Guards which is not part of who we are.

As it is compliance has been mostly great, and most people have understood the need for personal responsibility.

owlbethere

A step to ease restrictions is allow small get-togethers from the 18th? Is that right? I think 4 people from different households can meet so long as they can maintain social distancing of 2 metres apart.

Did I get that part right?

Did Leo just rib a new arsehole for parents of teenagers? I can't see how teenagers meeting up and staying metres apart. I think there could be a lot of agro in families this summer.

I could also see people become a little bit comfortable and gain an attitude like:

'sure we'll be allowed to meet next week, or after, so I might as well meet now. What's the point.....'

Or something like that.

hmmm

owlbethere wrote: »

A step to ease restrictions is allow small get-togethers from the 18th? Is that right? I think 4 people from different households can meet so long as they can maintain social distancing of 2 metres apart.

Did I get that part right?

Yes correct.

Did Leo just rib a new arsehole for parents of teenagers? I can't see how teenagers meeting up and staying metres apart. I think there could be a lot of agro in families this summer.

Can't keep everyone happy. It falls on all of us to try and be responsible, as we have to try and get society and our economy reopened as safely as possible.

Strazdas

owlbethere wrote: »

A step to ease restrictions is allow small get-togethers from the 18th? Is that right? I think 4 people from different households can meet so long as they can maintain social distancing of 2 metres apart.

Did I get that part right?

Did Leo just rib a new arsehole for parents of teenagers? I can't see how teenagers meeting up and staying metres apart. I think there could be a lot of agro in families this summer.

I could also see people become a little bit comfortable and gain an attitude like:

'sure we'll be allowed to meet next week, or after, so I might as well meet now. What's the point.....'

Or something like that.

He discussed this in his LLS interview. He said four people can meet up outdoors......sitting at a table at a barbecue would be acceptable for example (or standing for that matter).

timsey tiger

hmmm wrote: »

Introducing a lock-down when public support wasn't there would have been a disaster. We'd have needed heavy-handed enforcement by the Guards which is not part of who we are.

As it is compliance has been mostly great, and most people have understood the need for personal responsibility.

Well, that's just your opinion, not a fact.

bekker

Listened to discussion Cormac ó hEadhra earlier.

It's seems very clear from comments made that the community testing, track and trace situation is not fit for purpose going forward. Also became clear that the 100,000 test 'capacity' is another meaningless headline.

Hospital testing situation seems satisfactory, but implementing care home staff weekly retesting is going to take huge chunk of community testing capacity.

24-48 hr turnaround is vital to have the effective track and trace necessary to prevent new clusters developing and the 'roadmap' becoming a 'one step forward, two steps back' farce.

A suggestion was made that a specialist group be formed of industry technical specialist familiar with system development and scaling to get the job done quickly. This to be outside of DOH/HSE control as this is an area in which they have no expertise and lack the mindset necessary to achieve a quick and effective result.

Unless we get to a position of tracing contacts within 48 hours of a person testing positive we won't have a viable path to implementing the calendar envisaged in the roadmap.

cnocbui

timsey tiger wrote: »

Well, that's just your opinion, not a fact.

And that's just fine.

ZX7R

Hego Damask wrote: »

Micheal O Leary was saying July flights would resume, but I go to ryanair.com now and I can buy a flight from Dublin-Barcelona from May22 - May 24 ?

Why are that site still taking bookings ? surely that's illegal, especially when their CEO has said it will be July earliest when Ryanair resumes flights

Nothing illegal in it,
There basing flights on estates when other countries are quoting relaxing of flights in there countries.
For example Poland are planning on resuming flights the 9 of may as part of their easing of restrictions.
Flights to Poland can be booked from that date.
Even know Ireland only has an advisory for Irish people not to fly.

owlbethere

ZX7R wrote: »

Nothing illegal in it,
There basing flights on estates when other countries are quoting relaxing of flights in there countries.
For example Poland are planning on resuming flights the 9 of may as part of their easing of restrictions.
Flights to Poland can be booked from that date.
Even know Ireland only has an advisory for Irish people not to fly.

That advisory is a pack of sh1t. We saw what happened from the Cheltenham goers. There's probably many people who thinks this virus is just a little cold and they could continue with any holiday plans and take the virus home with them.

Strazdas

bekker wrote: »

Listened to discussion Cormac ó hEadhra earlier.

It's seems very clear from comments made that the community testing, track and trace situation is not fit for purpose going forward. Also became clear that the 100,000 test 'capacity' is another meaningless headline.

Hospital testing situation seems satisfactory, but implementing care home staff weekly retesting is going to take huge chunk of community testing capacity.

24-48 hr turnaround is vital to have the effective track and trace necessary to prevent new clusters developing and the 'roadmap' becoming a 'one step forward, two steps back' farce.

A suggestion was made that a specialist group be formed of industry technical specialist familiar with system development and scaling to get the job done quickly. This to be outside of DOH/HSE control as this is an area in which they have no expertise and lack the mindset necessary to achieve a quick and effective result.

Unless we get to a position of tracing contacts within 48 hours of a person testing positive we won't have a viable path to implementing the calendar envisaged in the roadmap.

I would imagine they are aware of all this though. One of the key factors in lifting restrictions this year will be successful large scale testing and contact tracing. This has been widely discussed already, long before that radio show today.

owlbethere

When will libraries be allowed open?

Stheno

owlbethere wrote: »

When will libraries be allowed open?

June 8

Gynoid

owlbethere wrote: »

That advisory is a pack of sh1t. We saw what happened from the Cheltenham goers. There's probably many people who thinks this virus is just a little cold and they could continue with any holiday plans and take the virus home with them.

There has to be quarantine post travel. Forms filled in. It is going to be hard for some I know who live in Europe but work here. Normally they go home every second weekend or so to their families if on the continent and take a days leave to extend, some go to UK every weekend. So now they have to choose either stay there and no work or come here and no family visits. Or I guess move families here. A lot of people have been disrupted far more than the ones missing pints or haircuts.

Polar101

gabeeg wrote: »

Five days after the 29th, Holohan was telling us that the risk of contracting the virus here in Ireland was "extremely low".

I wonder if he knew how many thousands of times that would be posted on boards.ie in hindsight.

timsey tiger

timsey tiger wrote: »

On the gov.ie site they have a bar chart, that shows the age profile of the cases. The first five bars (10 year bands) have a lower cumulative total than the last and biggest bar 65+.

One could wonder why the first 3 groups with very low numbers are not joined together, to allow the 65+ group to be split into 65-75, 57-85 and 85+. I suspect each of these would have greater numbers than the first three combined.

It reflects who is getting tested, not who contracted it

shinzon

Stheno wrote: »

June 8

That's if everything goes well and the numbers stay down, wish people would remember that and not get there hopes up that the advisory roadmap is just that and the dates are not set in stone.

Virus spikes and all of that goes out the window tbh

Shin

Hego Damask

Hego Damask wrote: »

Micheal O Leary was saying July flights would resume, but I go to ryanair.com now and I can buy a flight from Dublin-Barcelona from May22 - May 24 ?

Why are that site still taking bookings ? surely that's illegal, especially when their CEO has said it will be July earliest when Ryanair resumes flights

There are a small number of flights still operating for essential travel

sterz

shinzon wrote: »

That's if everything goes well and the numbers stay down, wish people would remember that and not get there hopes up that the advisory roadmap is just that and the dates are not set in stone.

Virus spikes and all of that goes out the window tbh

Shin

And if the numbers fall drastically and we can see good results in other countries relaxing restrictions, will they speed up the process?

Ger Roe

Polar101 wrote: »

I wonder if he knew how many thousands of times that would be posted on boards.ie in hindsight.

Re : Risk of contracting the infection in Ireland is low.....

The quote has to be taken in context, and as he explained it ..... it was low at that particular time. He never said that the risk of infection was always going to be low - quite the opposite in fact, therefore we introduced restrictions.

hmmm

Polar101 wrote: »

I wonder if he knew how many thousands of times that would be posted on boards.ie in hindsight.

The risk was very low - at the time. And you could argue it's still low.

gabeeg

Ger Roe wrote: »

Re : Risk of contracting the infection in Ireland is low.....

The quote has to be taken in context, and as he explained it ..... it was low at that particular time. He never said that the risk of infection was always going to be low - quite the opposite in fact, therefore we introduced restrictions.

He didn't say low. He said extremely low.
And this is while community transmission was already occurring.

20 days later we had over 1,300 known cases despite having done relatively few tests.
He was completely and utterly wrong. And he should have known better.

bodhrandude

I presume that you can travel from city to city by the middle of July hopefully.

bekker

Strazdas wrote: »

I would imagine they are aware of all this though. One of the key factors in lifting restrictions this year will be successful large scale testing and contact tracing. This has been widely discussed already, long before that radio show today.

Well aware of all of that, the two elements I highlighted, were lack of capacity to carry out weekly retesting of care home staff and formation of a non-DOH/HSE, expert group to develop fast integrated system of information flow and tracing within a defined time frame.

They may well be aware of that, they have been aware of many things, based on experience to date, I have no confidence in ability of administration to deliver effective joined-up methodology and system implementation.

hmmm

gabeeg wrote: »

He didn't say low. He said extremely low.
And this is while community transmission was already occurring.

20 days later we had over 1,300 known cases despite having done relatively few tests.
He was completely and utterly wrong. And he should have known better.

20 days later we had 1300 cases in a population of over 4.5 million, and you're saying that at the time he said the risk of getting it was "low" he was "completely and utterly wrong"?

Exaggerate much?

timsey tiger

Deleted User wrote: »

It reflects who is getting tested, not who contracted it

Elementary, dear raind. The question is the presentation, not the fact.

Non solum non ambulabit

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

99 currently in ICU

Excellent news

Non solum non ambulabit

hmmm wrote: »

The risk was very low - at the time. And you could argue it's still low.

For sure it's still low. Stay away for hospitals and care homes and people who work or visit those locations and it's extremely low.

caveat emptor

hmmm wrote: »

20 days later we had 1300 cases in a population of over 4.5 million, and you're saying that at the time he said the risk of getting it was "low" he was "completely and utterly wrong"?

Exaggerate much?

I see the semi pros are out in force. All hail the CMO.

NetChat101

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Does anyone know when we can do the Hokey Pokey again?

Cos that's what it's all about!!!!

shinzon

sterz wrote: »

And if the numbers fall drastically and we can see good results in other countries relaxing restrictions, will they speed up the process?

They will probably stay cautious but you never know

Shin

jill_valentine

People taking the piss altogether today. "Some restrictions loosened on Tuesday" has been taken to mean "Go absolutely ape**** on Saturday". There was a full scale street party going on around the corner?!?

I'm pro transparency as a rule, but I'm starting to understand why governments might parcel stuff out in small doses. A lot of people are just too stupid and too short sighted to be trusted to use common sense.

shaveAbullock

Something has changed today for sure. Just back from Tesco. People had been very compliant before. But now it's just large groups of people handing around in different aisles using Tesco as a social meeting point. It makes it very difficult from anyone who wishes to just get in and out and you can forgot about the 2m rule, it's not possible with so many groups of people.

munsterlegend

jill_valentine wrote: »

People taking the piss altogether today. "Some restrictions loosened on Tuesday" has been taken to mean "Go absolutely ape**** on Saturday". There was a full scale street party going on around the corner?!?

I'm pro transparency as a rule, but I'm starting to understand why governments might parcel stuff out in small doses. A lot of people are just too stupid and too short sighted to be trusted to use common sense.

The fine weather and long bank holiday weekend definitely has people out. Still observing social distancing though from what I can see.

JPCN1

timsey tiger wrote: »

Well I didn't say lack of balls for no reason.

Leaders are supposed to lead, not follow public opinion.

The man hid behind the members of the party when it came to Maria Bailey. They had to make the decision for him. Now he's hiding behind Holohan.

Ger Roe

shaveAbullock wrote: »

Something has changed today for sure. Just back from Tesco. People had been very compliant before. But now it's just large groups of people handing around in different aisles using Tesco as a social meeting point. It makes it very difficult from anyone who wishes to just get in and out and you can forgot about the 2m rule, it's not possible with so many groups of people.

Well, if that keeps up, you can rip the pathway to freedom booklet, into shreds. I reckon the announcement was made last night more in hope than in plan. Give people the inch, see them take the mile and then claw it back.

We will have to wait and see.....

spookwoman

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

99 currently in ICU

Critical care number have gone down in the last week but unfortunately suspected cases in critical care, ICU deaths suspected not changing much and
numbers not changing much for ventilated which is worrying.

owlbethere

shaveAbullock wrote: »

Something has changed today for sure. Just back from Tesco. People had been very compliant before. But now it's just large groups of people handing around in different aisles using Tesco as a social meeting point. It makes it very difficult from anyone who wishes to just get in and out and you can forgot about the 2m rule, it's not possible with so many groups of people.

The claddagh cam that shows Galway shop street definitely shows more people out and about whereas before now it was deserted.

cameramonkey

owlbethere wrote: »

The claddagh cam that shows Galway shop street definitely shows more people out and about whereas before now it was deserted.

https://www.earthcam.com/world/ireland/dublin/?cam=templebar

more about in dublin but still tiny number compared to normal.