Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Fann Linn

bodhrandude wrote: »

It probably sells chicken feed , the one in Bandon was open today and they are exempted because they sell chicken feed to the farmers.

Dont know about chicken feed but saw a woman putting the likes of those lobelia punnets in. the boot of her car.

thomas 123

Fann Linn wrote: »

Garden centre open up near me in Co. Roscommon today. I thought they were shut down until further notice.

Yeah same where I am, sure who’s enforcing it?

timsey tiger

fritzelly wrote: »

Same guy saying the CFR was only 0.3 and had the conversation about everyone being vaccinated

No agenda there like tho...

Should that be 0.3%?

stephenjmcd

fullstop wrote: »

Seems like everyone has skipped straight to this part as of today. Big groups in front gardens and parks everywhere you look.

Went for a walk to the seafront in my area this afternoon, less cars on the road than during the week. All the parking closed on the seafront so only those who can walk down were around. Busy enough but the vast majority of people sticking to families and keeping distancing. Didn't see much of a change here from last bank holiday.

kksaints

Fann Linn wrote: »

No let up by the looks of things. Tie down everything and it appears to become somewhat stable if any, but once the restrictions are loosened up the numbers climb again.
Didn't something similar happen in Germany earlier this week.

https://www.football-italia.net/152784/coronavirus-least-deaths-march

It's also reported by La Republlica and The Guardian live blog in case the football link is a bit unusual.

owlbethere

I remember when I was small going to mass in a field. I think it happened once a year or something. I definitely remember going to mass in a field.

Heres a business opportunity for a field pub.

fullstop

bekker wrote: »

Expected result of usual two faced mixed messaging, what the hell else did they expected to happen with Leo's 2m down to 1m announcement based on nothing, excepting possible hospitality industry pressure.

What was mixed about the message last night? It was spelled out to people what was going to happen, with a date for each but as soon as it’s said people think “grand so, back to normal” and head off and do their own thing. This is precisely why they’re waiting until the last minute to make these statements, because people are ****ing idiots.

shaveAbullock

fullstop wrote: »

What was mixed about the message last night? It was spelled out to people what was going to happen, with a date for each but as soon as it’s said people think “grand so, back to normal” and head off and do their own thing. This is precisely why they’re waiting until the last minute to make these statements, because people are ****ing idiots.

It's a shame they didn't leave it until the last minute, the 18th is over 2 weeks away.

cameramonkey

Fann Linn wrote: »

A lot of people gonna be upset if Trump is found to be actually correct on this call.

Would be an anomaly that he is right about something.

Fann Linn

fullstop wrote: »

What was mixed about the message last night? It was spelled out to people what was going to happen, with a date for each but as soon as it’s said people think “grand so, back to normal” and head off and do their own thing. This is precisely why they’re waiting until the last minute to make these statements, because people are ****ing idiots.

eg some non contact sports opening up shortly with conditions, for example golf. But my golf club is 30km away, so can I drive the 30km for a game?

fullstop

shaveAbullock wrote: »

It's a shame they didn't leave it until the last minute, the 18th is over 2 weeks away.

Well they did, because current restrictions were to expire on Tuesday.

Jim_Hodge

timsey tiger wrote: »

Should that be 0.3%?

No. CFR is not a ratio or rate but a proportion of incidence ranging for 0 to 1 (zero to 100%).

Not sure why he'd say 'only 0.3'.

Jim_Hodge

Fann Linn wrote: »

eg some non contact sports opening up shortly with conditions, for example golf. But my golf club is 30km away, so can I drive the 30km for a game?

Not according to a discussion on radio today. 5km limit would apply.

shaveAbullock

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Not according to a discussion on radio today. 5km limit would apply.

Can you drive around in the 5km limit?
It still says it's for exercise only with a larger radius. I wouldn't consider driving in a car exercise and even with a golf club it's not that strenuous.

Fann Linn

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Not according to a discussion on radio today. 5km limit would apply.

Thanks. Rural enough area here and I havent seen a guard in 3 weeks so Ill probably get away with it. But it is kinda pointless opening up these sports if you're restricted to the 5 km limit.

shaveAbullock

Fann Linn wrote: »

Thanks. Rural enough area here and I havent seen a guard in 3 weeks so Ill probably get away with it. But it is kinda pointless opening up these sports if you're restricted to the 5 km limit.

Would people 5km from a golf course be prepared to carry their clubs and walk the 5km to the course anyway?

Xertz

I see Amazon.co.uk and Amazon.de are now prioritising items for the UK and German governments. I couldn't order things like disposable gloves from either site.

https://www.amazon.de/b?node=21243361031&ref=ccbp_covid19_bb

or try https://www.amazon.co.uk/Spontex-Food-Contact-Gloves-Pack/dp/B00L7RGA5O/ref=sr_1_52?dchild=1&keywords=disposable+gloves&qid=1588442842&sr=8-52

I know the UK's gone, but it seems EU solidarity and the single market are wonderful things, except when it doesn't suit.

I could see this kind of thing really creating a lot of hard feeling. It seems like a lot of countries are all about EU solitary, except when it doesn't suit them and they're quite willing to lecture others about bonds, cut off essential supplies and so on.

If this is where the EU's going, I really think we're headed for a crumbling as the member states are not really willing to stand behind each other in a crisis.

I'll be cancelling my Prime subscription anyway. That's for sure.

Fann Linn

shaveAbullock wrote: »

Would people 5km from a golf course be prepared to carry their clubs and walk the 5km to the course anyway?

I dont know. As for me Im too far away.

Jim_Hodge

Fann Linn wrote: »

Thanks. Rural enough area here and I havent seen a guard in 3 weeks so Ill probably get away with it. But it is kinda pointless opening up these sports if you're restricted to the 5 km limit.

Very rural here and there's an almost permanent checkpoint 3km one side and 5km the other.

timsey tiger

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

No. CFR is not a ratio or rate but a proportion of incidence ranging for 0 to 1 (zero to 100%).

Not sure why he'd say 'only 0.3'.

Well no need to listen further, because there would be millions dead now if it was 0.3.

Jim_Hodge

shaveAbullock wrote: »

Can you drive around in the 5km limit?
It still says it's for exercise only with a larger radius. I wouldn't consider driving in a car exercise and even with a golf club it's not that strenuous.

You can drive to an exercise location once the exercise itself doesn't take you out of your 5km.

timsey tiger

Xertz wrote: »

I see Amazon.co.uk and Amazon.de are now prioritising items for the UK and German governments. I couldn't order things like disposable gloves from either site.

https://www.amazon.de/b?node=21243361031&ref=ccbp_covid19_bb

or try https://www.amazon.co.uk/Spontex-Food-Contact-Gloves-Pack/dp/B00L7RGA5O/ref=sr_1_52?dchild=1&keywords=disposable+gloves&qid=1588442842&sr=8-52

I know the UK's gone, but it seems EU solidarity and the single market are wonderful things, except when it doesn't suit.

I could see this kind of thing really creating a lot of hard feeling. It seems like a lot of countries are all about EU solitary, except when it doesn't suit them and they're quite willing to lecture others about bonds, cut off essential supplies and so on.

If this is where the EU's going, I really think we're headed for a crumbling as the member states are not really willing to stand behind each other in a crisis.

Well, that is one side of the coin, that is widely focused on by certain agents for their reasons, lots of good is happening on EU level too like Italian and French patients in German hospitals.

Xertz

timsey tiger wrote: »

Well, that is one side of the coin, that is widely focused on by certain agents for their reasons, lots of good is happening on EU level too like Italian and French patients in German hospitals.

Yeah but you think you've got solidarity and that they have your back only to realise in reality when a crisis arises, they all politely jumped out of the way and let you fall off the cliff.

It really does not bode well for the EU as a project if it only works in the good times. I'm not blaming the EU institutions, rather the member states themselves.

There was an extreme reluctance to help during the 2008 crisis, which saw Eurozone countries being forced to use IMF bailouts, which was in many ways a rather serious abuse of the IMF itself. The Eurozone should have been well able to resolve its own problems, without seeking international help that should be prioritising countries that didn't have that kind of safety net.

Then along comes the COVID-19 crisis and once again we've the notion of any kind of really big scale action i.e. Coronabonds/Eurobonds has been sneered at and pushed off the agenda.

My view of it is we should just hold our ground very hard on any notion of tax consolidation / harmonisation, as it's very clear that certain member states do not consider themselves in a European context, but rather it's just looking out for no. 1 and self interest.

If that's how it is. That's how it is. Solitary is something that comes about by trusting each other and knowing that we're there for each other in a crisis. It's pretty clear that on many levels, it's just not something that we can take for granted.

shaveAbullock

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You can drive to an exercise location once the exercise itself doesn't take you out of your 5km.

Good news for the local pitch and putt here in town then. It's 2km from the town centre so that would cover people living in most housing estates also.

GM228

Ireland Coronavirus Statistics - Day 64 – Saturday 02/05/2020
All data is cumulative and based on the date of official reporting

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29/02/2020

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01/03/2020

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02/03/2020

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03/03/2020

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04/03/2020

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05/03/2020

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06/03/2020

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18

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0.000%

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07/03/2020

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19

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9

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08/03/2020

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19

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21

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09/03/2020

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24

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10/03/2020

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34

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11/03/2020

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34

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9

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43

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1

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1

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12/03/2020

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13/03/2020

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15

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14/03/2020

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39

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129

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15/03/2020

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129

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40

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169

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1.2%

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0.003%

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16/03/2020

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169

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54

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223

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84

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17/03/2020

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292

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4%

|

10%

|

25

|

1%

|

0.070%

| 3337

34

|

02/04/2020

|

3447

|

402

|

3849

|

12%

|

90%

|

13

|

N/A

|

98

|

15%

|

2.5%

|

79

|

1118

|

29%

|

8%

|

10

|

158

|

4%

|

7%

|

25

|

1%

|

0.078%

| 3726

35

|

03/04/2020

|

3849

|

424

|

4273

|

11%

|

5%

|

22

|

N/A

|

120

|

22%

|

2.8%

|

85

|

1203

|

28%

|

8%

|

7

|

165

|

4%

|

4%

|

25

|

1%

|

0.087%

| 4128

36

|

04/04/2020

|

4273

|

331

|

4604

|

8%

|

-22%

|

17

|

N/A

|

137

|

14%

|

3.0%

|

62

|

1265

|

27%

|

5%

|

4

|

169

|

4%

|

2%

|

25

|

1%

|

0.094%

| 4442

37

|

05/04/2020

|

4604

|

390

|

4994

|

8%

|

18%

|

21

|

N/A

|

158

|

15%

|

3.2%

|

80

|

1345

|

27%

|

6%

|

25

|

194

|

4%

|

15%

|

25

|

1%

|

0.101%

| 4811

38

|

06/04/2020

|

4994

|

370

|

5364

|

7%

|

-5%

|

16

|

N/A

|

174

|

10%

|

3.2%

|

127

|

1472

|

27%

|

9%

|

30

|

224

|

4%

|

15%

|

25

|

0%

|

0.109%

| 5165

39

|

07/04/2020

|

5364

|

345

|

5709

|

6%

|

-7%

|

36

|

N/A

|

210

|

21%

|

3.7%

|

49

|

1521

|

27%

|

3%

|

6

|

230

|

4%

|

3%

|

25

|

0%

|

0.116%

| 5474

40

|

08/04/2020

|

5709

|

365

|

6074

|

6%

|

6%

|

25

|

N/A

|

235

|

12%

|

3.9%

|

110

|

1631

|

27%

|

7%

|

14

|

244

|

4%

|

6%

|

25

|

0%

|

0.123%

| 5814

41

|

09/04/2020

|

6074

|

500

|

6574

|

8%

|

37%

|

28

|

N/A

|

263

|

12%

|

4.0%

|

87

|

1718

|

26%

|

5%

|

9

|

253

|

4%

|

4%

|

25

|

0%

|

0.134%

| 6286

42*¹ ²

|

10/04/2020

|

6574

|

1515

|

8089

|

23%

|

203%

|

25

|

N/A

|

287

|

9%

|

4.0%

|

59

|

1777

|

22%

|

3%

|

8

|

261

|

3%

|

3%

|

25

|

0%

|

0.164%

| 7777

43*¹

|

11/04/2020

|

8089

|

839

|

8928

|

10%

|

-45%

|

33

|

N/A

|

320

|

11%

|

3.6%

|

72

|

1849

|

21%

|

4%

|

7

|

268

|

3%

|

3%

|

25

|

0%

|

0.181%

| 8583

44*¹

|

12/04/2020

|

8928

|

727

|

9655

|

8%

|

-13%

|

14

|

N/A

|

334

|

4%

|

3.5%

|

54

|

1903

|

20%

|

3%

|

7

|

275

|

3%

|

3%

|

25

|

0%

|

0.196%

| 9296

45*¹

|

13/04/2020

|

9655

|

992

|

10647

|

10%

|

36%

|

31

|

N/A

|

365

|

9%

|

3.4%

|

65

|

1968

|

18%

|

3%

|

5

|

280

|

3%

|

2%

|

25

|

0%

|

0.216%

| 10257

46*¹

|

14/04/2020

|

10647

|

832

|

11479

|

8%

|

-16%

|

41

|

N/A

|

406

|

11%

|

3.5%

|

58

|

2026

|

18%

|

3%

|

4

|

284

|

2%

|

1%

|

25

|

0%

|

0.233%

| 11048

47*¹

|

15/04/2020

|

11479

|

1068

|

12547

|

9%

|

28%

|

38

|

N/A

|

444

|

9%

|

3.5%

|

56

|

2082

|

17%

|

3%

|

10

|

294

|

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|

4%

|

77

|

1%

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0.255%

| 12026

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|

16/04/2020

|

12547

|

724

|

13271

|

6%

|

-32%

|

43

|

N/A

|

486

|

9%

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86

|

2168

|

16%

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4%

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2

|

296

|

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77

|

1%

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0.270%

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|

17/04/2020

|

13271

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709

|

13980

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5%

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-2%

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44

|

N/A

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9%

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55

|

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7

|

303

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2%

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77

|

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0.284%

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18/04/2020

|

13980

|

778

|

14758

|

6%

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10%

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41

|

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|

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|

2272

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77

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19/04/2020

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|

493

|

15251

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3%

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39

|

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51

|

2323

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2%

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9

|

315

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3%

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77

|

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52

|

20/04/2020

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15251

|

401

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77

|

N/A

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687

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64

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7

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77

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0%

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|

21/04/2020

|

15652

|

388

|

16040

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2%

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44

|

N/A

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730

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9

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331

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9233

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|

22/04/2020

|

16040

|

631

|

16671

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4%

|

63%

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49

|

N/A

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769

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62

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|

23/04/2020

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936

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6%

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48%

|

28

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N/A

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50

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|

24/04/2020

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3%

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37

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|

25/04/2020

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10

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|

26/04/2020

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701

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86%

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27/04/2020

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17

|

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9233

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60*²

|

28/04/2020

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19648

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229

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19877

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45

|

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2706

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14%

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360

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2%

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1%

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9233

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46%

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61

|

29/04/2020

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19877

|

376

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20253

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2%

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64%

|

31

|

0

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1190

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5.9%

|

62

|

2768

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14%

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7

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367

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2%

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12222

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60%

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62*²

|

30/04/2020

|

20253

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359

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20612

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2%

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|

43

|

0

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1232

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4%

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6.0%

|

17

|

2785

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14%

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1%

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1

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368

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2%

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0.3%

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12222

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59%

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0.419%

| 7158

63*²

|

01/05/2020

|

20612

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221

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20833

|

1%

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-38%

|

34

|

0

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1265

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3%

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6.1%

|

0

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2785

|

13%

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0%

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0

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368

|

2%

|

0%

|

13386

|

64%

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0.423%

| 6182

64*²

|

02/05/2020

|

20833

|

343

|

21176

|

2%

|

55%

|

25

|

0

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1286

|

2%

|

6.1%

|

0

|

2785

|

13%

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0%

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0

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368

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2%

|

0%

|

13386

|

63%

|

0.430%

| 6504

CFR = Case fatality rate
NR = Not reported

Source: Department of Health, the Health Protection Surveillance Centre and the HSE.

NOTES: -
*¹ Daily increase numbers on these dates represent both new cases and older cases reported from Germany which results in skewed daily % increases and average case reporting % changes, numbers are broken down as:-
Day|Date|New Irish Cases|German Cases
42|10/04/20|480|1035
43|11/04/20|553|286
44|12/04/20|430|297
45|13/04/20| 527|465
46|14/04/20|548|284
47|15/04/20|657|411
48|16/04/20|629|95
49|17/04/20|597|112
50|18/04/20|630|148
51|19/04/20|445|48


*² Denotification of deaths:-
10/04/20 – 1
16/04/20 – 1
21/04/20 – 1
22/04/20 – 10
23/04/20 – 3
24/04/20 – 2
25/04/20 – 3
26/04/20 – 2
27/04/20 – 3 (also cumulative ICU number reduced by an unspecified amount)
28/04/20 – 2
30/04/20 – 1
1/05/20 – 1
2/05/20 – 4

*³ Recovered rates are not reported officially by the DoH or HPSC in the above links, these figures are taken from the Worldmeters and Johns Hopkins websites which use data supplied by the DoT to the ECDC under the WHO Guidelines for reporting.

Recovered statistics are only be published as "recovered" following two successful tests of being clear of the virus under the WHO reporting guidelines, as a result it is likely the recovered data is skewed. Updated on 15/04/20 - The WHO reporting criteria has been changed recently to eliminate the 2 test requirement before reporting as recovered, now an outcome report is sent within one month of initial notification or when an outcome is known, the available health outcomes are either “recovered/healthy”, “not recovered", “death", “unknown" or “other", weather this helps create more accurate recovery numbers or skews them further is yet to be seen.

*⁴ Due to the above issue with reporting of recovered cases the number of active cases is also likely skewed.

*⁵From 24/04/20 probable deaths are included in the official death figures, this is to comply with the WHO definition of COVID-19 deaths issued on the 16th and adopted in Europe by the ECDC yesterday, this is in compliance with what is known as the International Statistical Classification of Diseases known as the ICD-10, as a result a new column has been added into the charts to separate confirmed and suspected COVID-19 deaths – see this post for an explanation on this change. As a result of this change in reporting the CFR is skewed as a corresponding number of cumulative case numbers is not currently part of the official records.

Case/death increase averages:-

Day

| Date | ▲Day 1 | ▲10 Days | ▲7 days | ▲3 Days | .. | ■ Day 1 | ■ 10 Days | ■ 7 Days | ■ 3 days | .. |

● Day 1 (Day 12)

| ● 10 Days | ■ 7 Days● | ■ 3 days

1

| 29/02/2020 | 0.0% | N/A | N/A | N/A | .. | 0% | N/A | N/A | N/A | .. | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A

2

| 01/03/2020 | 0.0% | N/A | N/A | N/A | .. | 0% | N/A | N/A | N/A | .. | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A

3

| 02/03/2020 | 0.0% | N/A | N/A | 0% | .. | 0% | N/A | N/A | 0% | .. | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A

4

| 03/03/2020 | 25.0% | N/A | N/A | 33% | .. | 0% | N/A | N/A | 0% | .. | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A

5

| 04/03/2020 | 60.0% | N/A | N/A | 100% | .. | 60% | N/A | N/A | 100% | .. | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A

6

| 05/03/2020 | 69.4% | N/A | N/A | 139% | .. | 63% | N/A | N/A | 125% | .. | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A

7

| 06/03/2020 | 65.0% | N/A | 65% | 118% | .. | 49% | N/A | 49% | 115% | .. | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A

8

| 07/03/2020 | 57.6% | N/A | 66% | 54% | .. | 33% | N/A | 38% | -11% | .. | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A

9

| 08/03/2020 | 52.4% | N/A | 67% | 18% | .. | 41% | N/A | 52% | -3% | .. | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A

10

| 09/03/2020 | 49% | 49% | 69% | 10% | .. | 42% | 42% | 59% | 23% | .. | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A

11

| 10/03/2020 | 48% | 53% | 61% | 22% | .. | 59% | 65% | 93% | 128% | .. | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A

12

| 11/03/2020 | 46% | 55% | 36% | 27% | .. | 53% | 64% | 49% | 91% | .. | 0% | N/A | N/A | N/A

13

| 12/03/2020 | 47% | 62% | 29% | 44% | .. | 65% | 84% | 66% | 141% | .. | 0% | N/A | N/A | N/A

14

| 13/03/2020 | 46% | 54% | 27% | 39% | .. | 58% | 81% | 67% | 55% | .. | 0% | N/A | N/A | N/A

15

| 14/03/2020 | 46% | 39% | 33% | 45% | .. | 61% | 61% | 92% | 90% | .. | 25% | N/A | N/A | 33%

16

| 15/03/2020 | 45% | 30% | 35% | 34% | .. | 57% | 54% | 78% | 24% | .. | 20% | N/A | N/A | 33%

17

| 16/03/2020 | 44% | 30% | 38% | 35% | .. | 56% | 60% | 76% | 44% | .. | 17% | N/A | N/A | 33%

18

| 17/03/2020 | 43% | 32% | 36% | 31% | .. | 54% | 71% | 46% | 22% | .. | 14% | N/A | 14% | 33%

19

| 18/03/2020 | 43% | 34% | 36% | 29% | .. | 52% | 61% | 49% | 23% | .. | 13% | N/A | 14% | 0%

20

| 19/03/2020 | 43% | 37% | 35% | 36% | .. | 57% | 72% | 43% | 64% | .. | 17% | N/A | 21% | 17%

21

| 20/03/2020 | 42% | 36% | 34% | 33% | .. | 53% | 46% | 42% | 44% | .. | 15% | 15% | 21% | 17%

22

| 21/03/2020 | 41% | 34% | 30% | 30% | .. | 49% | 45% | 25% | 35% | .. | 17% | 15% | 12% | 28%

23

| 22/03/2020 | 40% | 30% | 28% | 18% | .. | 48% | 27% | 28% | -11% | .. | 18% | 18% | 17% | 39%

24

| 23/03/2020 | 39% | 29% | 27% | 18% | .. | 49% | 37% | 34% | 27% | .. | 21% | 22% | 24% | 39%

25

| 24/03/2020 | 38% | 27% | 25% | 19% | .. | 47% | 27% | 29% | 31% | .. | 20% | 27% | 26% | 44%

26

| 25/03/2020 | 37% | 25% | 24% | 20% | .. | 46% | 28% | 30% | 30% | .. | 21% | 18% | 30% | 43%

27

| 26/03/2020 | 37% | 24% | 18% | 17% | .. | 45% | 26% | 9% | 6% | .. | 26% | 21% | 39% | 69%

28

| 27/03/2020 | 36% | 22% | 18% | 17% | .. | 44% | 25% | 17% | 14% | .. | 26% | 32% | 41% | 57%

29

| 28/03/2020 | 35% | 21% | 17% | 16% | .. | 42% | 24% | 19% | 8% | .. | 28% | 34% | 46% | 73%

30

| 29/03/2020 | 34% | 17% | 16% | 13% | .. | 40% | 5% | 12% | -5% | .. | 28% | 40% | 45% | 73%

31

| 30/03/2020 | 34% | 16% | 15% | 11% | .. | 40% | 13% | 7% | 4% | .. | 27% | 38% | 40% | 42%

32

| 31/03/2020 | 33% | 15% | 14% | 10% | .. | 39% | 16% | 9% | 9% | .. | 28% | 40% | 42% | 47%

33

| 01/04/2020 | 32% | 14% | 12% | 10% | .. | 37% | 10% | 2% | 8% | .. | 27% | 40% | 41% | 32%

34

| 02/04/2020 | 31% | 13% | 11% | 10% | .. | 38% | 11% | 14% | 22% | .. | 27% | 38% | 27% | 28%

35

| 03/04/2020 | 31% | 12% | 11% | 10% | .. | 37% | 13% | 12% | 20% | .. | 27% | 35% | 28% | 30%

36

| 04/04/2020 | 30% | 11% | 10% | 10% | .. | 36% | 9% | 9% | 24% | .. | 26% | 35% | 21% | 24%

37

| 05/04/2020 | 30% | 11% | 10% | 9% | .. | 35% | 10% | 16% | 0% | .. | 26% | 34% | 19% | 22%

38

| 06/04/2020 | 29% | 10% | 9% | 8% | .. | 34% | 7% | 9% | -3% | .. | 25% | 24% | 18% | 21%

39

| 07/04/2020 | 28% | 9% | 8% | 7% | .. | 33% | 7% | 6% | 2% | .. | 25% | 24% | 17% | 20%

40

| 08/04/2020 | 28% | 9% | 8% | 7% | .. | 32% | 11% | 12% | -2% | .. | 24% | 19% | 16% | 19%

41

| 09/04/2020 | 27% | 9% | 8% | 7% | .. | 32% | 10% | 5% | 12% | .. | 24% | 18% | 15% | 18%

42

| 10/04/2020 | 27% | 10% | 10% | 13% | .. | 37% | 29% | 33% | 82% | .. | 24% | 17% | 13% | 18%

43

| 11/04/2020 | 27% | 10% | 10% | 14% | .. | 35% | 28% | 30% | 65% | .. | 23% | 15% | 13% | 15%

44

| 12/04/2020 | 26% | 10% | 10% | 14% | .. | 34% | 18% | 25% | 48% | .. | 23% | 14% | 11% | 12%

45

| 13/04/2020 | 26% | 10% | 10% | 10% | .. | 34% | 21% | 31% | -7% | .. | 22% | 13% | 11% | 11%

46

| 14/04/2020 | 26% | 10% | 11% | 9% | .. | 33% | 21% | 30% | 2% | .. | 22% | 12% | 10% | 12%

47

| 15/04/2020 | 25% | 10% | 11% | 9% | .. | 32% | 22% | 33% | 16% | .. | 22% | 11% | 9% | 11%

48

| 16/04/2020 | 25% | 10% | 11% | 8% | .. | 31% | 20% | 23% | -7% | .. | 21% | 11% | 9% | 13%

49

| 17/04/2020 | 25% | 9% | 8% | 7% | .. | 30% | 20% | -6% | -2% | .. | 21% | 11% | 9% | 13%

50

| 18/04/2020 | 24% | 9% | 7% | 6% | .. | 30% | 21% | 2% | -8% | .. | 21% | 10% | 9% | 12%

51

| 19/04/2020 | 24% | 9% | 7% | 5% | .. | 29% | 13% | -2% | -10% | .. | 20% | 9% | 9% | 11%

52

| 20/04/2020 | 23% | 7% | 6% | 4% | .. | 28% | -9% | -10% | -15% | .. | 20% | 9% | 9% | 12%

53

| 21/04/2020 | 23% | 6% | 5% | 3% | .. | 27% | -5% | -8% | -20% | .. | 20% | 9% | 9% | 11%

54

| 22/04/2020 | 23% | 6% | 4% | 3% | .. | 28% | 3% | -3% | 14% | .. | 19% | 9% | 8% | 10%

55

| 23/04/2020 | 22% | 5% | 4% | 4% | .. | 28% | 4% | 9% | 36% | .. | 19% | 9% | 7% | 9%

56

| 24/04/2020 | 22% | 5% | 4% | 4% | .. | 27% | 2% | 3% | 24% | .. | 19% | 8% | 10% | 14%

57

| 25/04/2020 | 22% | 4% | 3% | 4% | .. | 26% | -5% | -3% | -8% | .. | 19% | 10% | 10% | 14%

58

| 26/04/2020 | 21% | 4% | 3% | 3% | .. | 27% | 7% | 15% | 4% | .. | 19% | 9% | 9% | 13%

59

| 27/04/2020 | 21% | 3% | 3% | 3% | .. | 26% | 3% | 11% | 2% | .. | 18% | 9% | 7% | 12%

60

| 28/04/2020 | 21% | 3% | 3% | 2% | .. | 25% | -2% | 5% | 0% | .. | 18% | 8% | 7% | 5%

61

| 29/04/2020 | 20% | 3% | 3% | 2% | .. | 25% | 8% | 6% | -7% | .. | 18% | 8% | 7% | 4%

62

| 30/04/2020 | 20% | 3% | 2% | 2% | .. | 25% | 9% | -2% | 6% | .. | 17% | 7% | 7% | 4%

63

| 01/05/2020 | 20% | 3% | 2% | 2% | .. | 24% | 6% | -2% | 7% | .. | 17% | 6% | 3% | 5%

64

| 02/05/2020 | 19% | 2% | 2% | 1% | .. | 24% | 5% | 11% | 4% | .. | 17% | 6% | 3% | 4%

▲ = Daily increase in cases averaged over the past 10, 7 and 3 days and from day 1
■ = Daily change in cases repored averaged over the past 10, 7 and 3 days and also from day 1
● = Daily change in deaths over the past 10, 7 and 3 days and from day 1 (which in the case of deaths was Day 12 (11/03/20)

---

Northern Ireland Statistics:-

Day

|

Date

|

Cases

|

New Cases

|

Total Cases

|

Case Increase

|

Reporting Increase

|

New Deaths

|

Total Deaths

|

% Increase

|

CFR

| Population %

1

|

29/02/2020

|

0

|

1

|

1

|

N/A

|

N/A

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.000%

2

|

01/03/2020

|

1

|

0

|

1

|

0%

|

0%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.000%

3

|

02/03/2020

|

1

|

0

|

1

|

0%

|

0%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.000%

4

|

03/03/2020

|

1

|

0

|

1

|

0%

|

0%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.000%

5

|

04/03/2020

|

1

|

2

|

3

|

200%

|

0%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.000%

6

|

05/03/2020

|

3

|

0

|

3

|

0%

|

0%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.000%

7

|

06/03/2020

|

3

|

1

|

4

|

33%

|

0%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.000%

8

|

07/03/2020

|

4

|

3

|

7

|

75%

|

200%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.000%

9

|

08/03/2020

|

7

|

5

|

12

|

71%

|

67%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.001%

10

|

09/03/2020

|

12

|

0

|

12

|

0%

|

0%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.001%

11

|

10/03/2020

|

12

|

4

|

16

|

33%

|

0%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.001%

12

|

11/03/2020

|

16

|

2

|

18

|

13%

|

-50%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.001%

13

|

12/03/2020

|

18

|

2

|

20

|

11%

|

0%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.001%

14

|

13/03/2020

|

20

|

9

|

29

|

45%

|

350%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.002%

15

|

14/03/2020

|

29

|

5

|

34

|

17%

|

-44%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.002%

16

|

15/03/2020

|

34

|

11

|

45

|

32%

|

120%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.002%

17

|

16/03/2020

|

45

|

7

|

52

|

16%

|

-36%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.003%

18

|

17/03/2020

|

52

|

10

|

62

|

19%

|

43%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.003%

19

|

18/03/2020

|

62

|

6

|

68

|

10%

|

-40%

|

0

|

0

|

N/A

|

N/A

| 0.004%

20

|

19/03/2020

|

68

|

9

|

77

|

13%

|

50%

|

1

|

1

|

N/A

|

1.3%

| 0.004%

21

|

20/03/2020

|

77

|

9

|

86

|

12%

|

0%

|

0

|

1

|

100%

|

1.2%

| 0.005%

22

|

21/03/2020

|

86

|

22

|

108

|

26%

|

144%

|

0

|

1

|

100%

|

0.9%

| 0.006%

23

|

22/03/2020

|

108

|

20

|

128

|

19%

|

-9%

|

1

|

2

|

100%

|

1.6%

| 0.007%

24

|

23/03/2020

|

128

|

20

|

148

|

16%

|

0%

|

1

|

3

|

50%

|

2.0%

| 0.008%

25

|

24/03/2020

|

148

|

24

|

172

|

16%

|

20%

|

2

|

5

|

67%

|

2.9%

| 0.009%

26

|

25/03/2020

|

172

|

37

|

209

|

22%

|

54%

|

2

|

7

|

40%

|

3.3%

| 0.011%

27

|

26/03/2020

|

209

|

32

|

241

|

Strumms

shaveAbullock wrote: »

It was announced too soon, people will act as if the new restrictions started the moment Leo opened his mouth.

This, the evening before would have been more appropriate.

Strumms

shaveAbullock wrote: »

It's a shame they didn't leave it until the last minute, the 18th is over 2 weeks away.

That was my thinking. The ‘ahh be grand’ merchants just read this as ok time to socialize.

Xertz

Strazdas wrote: »

That's not meant to happen until May 18th, we're still under the strict lockdown

By comparison to most of Europe or even a lot of places in the US, the Irish setup's been fairly easy going and fairly opt-in, very cooperative stuff. The Gardai aren't exactly being heavy handed. I have only encountered one stop and basically said I was going shopping and was given a friendly wave on.

In contrast, in France and Spain you had to bring filled out paperwork, detailing why you were going out, with you to go to the local shop or walk the dog and there were all sorts of severe limits for the peak of the lockdowns there.

I think in general we've had a more good humoured approach to the whole thing. Although, to be fair, we also had a far less dramatic impact of it i.e. our ICUs didn't reach overflow levels and I think we've taken it all a lot more seriously and sensibly than we've actually given ourselves credit for and I mean that more so in the sense of how the general public have handled things.

There's always a few muppets around, but for the vast majority of the population, they've handled things very sanely, pragmatically and with a degree of positivity and decency too.

Jim_Hodge

Xertz wrote: »

I see Amazon.co.uk and Amazon.de are now prioritising items for the UK and German governments. I couldn't order things like disposable gloves from either site.

https://www.amazon.de/b?node=21243361031&ref=ccbp_covid19_bb

or try https://www.amazon.co.uk/Spontex-Food-Contact-Gloves-Pack/dp/B00L7RGA5O/ref=sr_1_52?dchild=1&keywords=disposable+gloves&qid=1588442842&sr=8-52

I know the UK's gone, but it seems EU solidarity and the single market are wonderful things, except when it doesn't suit.

I could see this kind of thing really creating a lot of hard feeling. It seems like a lot of countries are all about EU solitary, except when it doesn't suit them and they're quite willing to lecture others about bonds, cut off essential supplies and so on.

If this is where the EU's going, I really think we're headed for a crumbling as the member states are not really willing to stand behind each other in a crisis.

I'll be cancelling my Prime subscription anyway. That's for sure.

It's not just PPE. I was trying to order books and a few other bits and pieces and while they shipped before they now won't. I contacted the sellers and they said they had ceased international orders due to staff shortages and social distancing causing inefficiencies. Not a matter of hoarding supplies or keeping items for just UK customers.

Xertz

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

It's not just PPE. I was trying to order books and a few other bits and pieces and while they shipped before they now won't. I contacted the sellers and they said they had ceased international orders due to staff shortages and social distancing causing inefficiencies. Not a matter of hoarding supplies or keeping items for just UK customers.

If you read the links above this is specifically to do with items being prioritised for UK or German government. It's literally what they're stating on their website. It's nothing to do with staff shortages or being busy. It's official policy from the respective governments and amazon itself.

Items delayed or in low stock due to bulk buying / lack of supply is another issue entirely and is just the reality of retail at the moment.

See: https://www.amazon.co.uk/b?node=21243381031&ref=ccbp_covid19_bb and https://www.amazon.de/b?node=21243361031&ref=ccbp_covid19_bb

They're coming up on various products.

On the refusing to ship to Ireland thing, the weirdest one I had was an Amazon Marketplace retailer get really snarky with me for using Parcel Motel. This was back in January before COVID-19. They sent a cancellation and a big warning about how I was 'using an international mail forwarding service and we specifically do not ship abroad. Please do not order from us again." I reported to Amazon but heard nothing of consequence back.

However, on the official policy stuff I just find the whole notion of a multinational retailer, based in Luxembourg, refusing to ship items to another EU member state is really an undermining of the EU.

They're quite happy to use the single market to avoid tax by basing in Luxembourg, but when it comes to someone wanting to actually use their store from another EU state, I'm being told to politely go feck off and the member states involved are quite obviously happy to just block the 'export' of what they're deeming to be PPE by agreeing something with Amazon to do that.

There was a major issue with blocking of 'exports' of PPE and medical equipment to other EU member states in the initial stages of the crisis and even accusations of seizure of goods destined for other EU member states in warehouses.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/coronavirus-european-solidarity-sidelined-as-french-interests-take-priority-1.4216184

In that case a Swedish company, with just a warehouse in France. The company had had masks made in Asia. Those masks were effectively seized from a warehouse in France by french authorities. The masks were imported into the EU destined for France, Spain, Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands, Portugal and Switzerland as part of a single EU supply chain, yet were just blocked / taken by national interests in one member state.

Does that mean that you can't safely have pan-EU supply chains?! Can you, for example, safely pack essential medicines in one country and guarantee they'll actually be distributable across the EU in a crisis?

If we do things like just grab imported PPE from a warehouse, the confidence in pan-European systems will fail both for end users and also for companies and we'll be back to the old days of little European nations states arguing with each other.

It's not the EU institutions that are causing this. It's the EU's member states.

Jim_Hodge

Xertz wrote: »

If you read the links above this is specifically to do with items being prioritised for UK or German government. It's literally what they're stating on their website. It's nothing to do with staff shortages or being busy. It's official policy from the respective governments and amazon itself.

Items delayed or in low stock due to bulk buying / lack of supply is another issue entirely and is just the reality of retail at the moment.

See: https://www.amazon.co.uk/b?node=21243381031&ref=ccbp_covid19_bb and https://www.amazon.de/b?node=21243361031&ref=ccbp_covid19_bb

They're coming up on various products.

On the refusing to ship to Ireland thing, the weirdest one I had was an Amazon Marketplace retailer get really snarky with me for using Parcel Motel. This was back in January before COVID-19. They sent a cancellation and a big warning about how I was 'using an international mail forwarding service and we specifically do not ship abroad. Please do not order from us again." I reported to Amazon but heard nothing of consequence back.

However, on the official policy stuff I just find the whole notion of a multinational retailer, based in Luxembourg, refusing to ship items to another EU member state is really an undermining of the EU.

They're quite happy to use the single market to avoid tax by basing in Luxembourg, but when it comes to someone wanting to actually use their store from another EU state, I'm being told to politely go feck off.

I see that now but it's not all items. I've just been able to order gloves and masks, both fulfilled by amazon and delivery to here. Only some stock is restricted.

sheepsh4gger

If you look at the graph from 1918 you will see that there was a second wave. In fact some sources say it was worse than the first. If you think the lockdown is over - think again.


I'm pretty sure once they loosen the restrictions there will be an sharp spike in cases and they will say 'See what happened? This is why you need to stay home!'. IMHO it's very likely they will tighten the restrictions again. It will be a start and stop economy.


IMHO the numbers are exaggerated (hello jannies) and I'm not the only person. Regardless the lockdowns wills till continue.


BTW Elon Musk changed his twitter profile to Deus Ex 1:

ShineOn7

GM228 wrote: »

Ireland Coronavirus Statistics - Day 64 – Saturday 02/05/2020
All data is cumulative and based on the date of official reporting

Fcuking hell, a fatality rate of 7%?!

I've read everything from it being 0.3 to 2%, but 7% is appalling

coastwatch

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Fcuking hell, a fatality rate of 7%?!

I've read everything from it being 0.3 to 2%, but 7% is appalling

It's not 7%

Non solum non ambulabit

Fann Linn wrote: »

Garden centre open up near me in Co. Roscommon today. I thought they were shut down until further notice.

They shouldn't be open

Discodog

Fann Linn wrote: »

Garden centre open up near me in Co. Roscommon today. I thought they were shut down until further notice.

They have always been legally able to open.

ChelseaRentBoy

timsey tiger wrote: »

Well, that is one side of the coin, that is widely focused on by certain agents for their reasons, lots of good is happening on EU level too like Italian and French patients in German hospitals.

The German's where shamed into helping at the sight of Russian army personal carriers on the streets of Italy delivering PPE and other supplies.

Let's not pretend the EU reaction to this has been anything other than pathetic.

Non solum non ambulabit

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Fcuking hell, a fatality rate of 7%?!

I've read everything from it being 0.3 to 2%, but 7% is appalling

Need time to work out final mortality rate

mosii

7% fatality rate on known cases ,thats accurate,but not on the disease itself,thats likely to be around .3% and .5% .,as millions and perhaps billions will get this virus,by the time a vacine is developed.

mosii

7% fatality rate on known cases ,thats accurate,but not on the disease itself,thats likely to be around .3% and .5% .,as millions and perhaps billions will get this virus,by the time a vacine is developed.

podgeandrodge

Interesting viewpoint from the WHO on the Swedish model

https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/

bekker

fullstop wrote: »

What was mixed about the message last night? It was spelled out to people what was going to happen, with a date for each but as soon as it’s said people think “grand so, back to normal” and head off and do their own thing. This is precisely why they’re waiting until the last minute to make these statements, because people are ****ing idiots.

You missed Leo on the Late Late then.

Which message do you think resonates more strongly with viewers looking for relief, the reasonable staid serious official announcement or the relaxed laid back 2m down to 1m, GAA finals back message in the relaxed pop entertainment show.

Which had a greater audience attention span I wonder?

GM228

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Fcuking hell, a fatality rate of 7%?!

I've read everything from it being 0.3 to 2%, but 7% is appalling

It's 7.02% of known worldwide cases, it is likely much less when you take account of all those non-diagnosed.

It's a beautiful evening here in the West. Lots of music and back garden BBQ gatherings. All close family I'm sure.

coastwatch

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Fcuking hell, a fatality rate of 7%?!

I've read everything from it being 0.3 to 2%, but 7% is appalling

GM228 wrote: »

It's 7.02% of known worldwide cases, it is likely much less when you take account of all those non-diagnosed.

Better off ignoring all those "Worldmeter" statistics, nothing more than rough indicators.

Away With The Fairies

Wait until the flu season, things can get real ****ty then.

splinter65

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's a beautiful evening here in the West. Lots of music and back garden BBQ gatherings. All close family I'm sure.

You’d have to wonder what is the harm if I wander around my neighbours side entrance and sit in a deck chair socially distanced from the next person drinking my own beer and enjoying her fire pit and her spotify list before wandering home.

Fann Linn

Discodog wrote: »

They have always been legally able to open.

Thanks, didn't know that, thought it was just essential places.

GM228

coastwatch wrote: »

Better off ignoring all those "Worldmeter" statistics, nothing more than rough indicators.

The data for Worldmeters is pulled from official sources such as the WHO, CDC, ECDC etc, it is pretty accurate.

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

You’d have to wonder what is the harm if I wander around my neighbours side entrance and sit in a deck chair socially distanced from the next person drinking my own beer and enjoying her fire pit and her spotify list before wandering home.

Enjoying her fire pit eh? Take care you don't get burned!