Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

jobeenfitz

owlbethere wrote: »

I remember when I was small going to mass in a field. I think it happened once a year or something. I definitely remember going to mass in a field.

Heres a business opportunity for a field pub.

We had hedge schools here in 18th and 19th century.

MipMap

owlbethere wrote: »

I remember when I was small going to mass in a field. I think it happened once a year or something. I definitely remember going to mass in a field.

Heres a business opportunity for a field pub.

jobeenfitz wrote: »

We had hedge schools here in 18th and 19th century.

OK - Famine - Hedge Schools - Reincarnation.


Think it's Bedtime

Me_Grapes

Miike wrote: »

What is interesting about those comments? He simple says Sweden took the approach to rely on their citizens. If the solution is relying on Irish people to get it together and follow a similar path we're ****ed. We're totally and utterly ****ed. If the measures we have taken show us anything, it's that we cannot rely on our citizens to do what's in the best interest of society. While the vast majority of people DID follow our guidelines it only takes a hand full of knuckle draggers to **** it up, which we have droves of, as seen in the last few weeks.

Why single out Ireland, and spew out a load of vitriolic bile, when complementing Sweden and lambasting us for not being up to their standards.

Virtually every other country in the world has implemented some form of lockdown.

So maybe its not just Ireland where there's a minority of knuckle draggers?

Kermit.de.frog

Meanwhile in the US, this was on the 8th of April

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/491715-key-coronavirus-model-revised-downward-predicts-60k-deaths-in-us-by-august

A key forecasting model used by the White House has revised its prediction of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S., now estimating a peak of 60,415 by early August.

3rd of May: 67,444 deaths

Miike

Me_Grapes wrote: »

Why single out Ireland, and spew out a load of vitriolic bile, when complementing Sweden and lambasting us for not being up to their standards.

Virtually every other country in the world has implemented some form of lockdown.

So maybe its not just Ireland where there's a minority of knuckle draggers?

I haven't once complimented Sweden in their approach. I've reiterated what's in the video that person linked.

And which part of my post was vitriolic bile? It's a general observation, that a minority of muppets will be the detriment of containing this epidemic as has been demonstrated by gatherings of people consistently occurring across the nation. Is it the hashed our swear words that make it vitriolic bile? Next time I'll use more flowery language so it won't get your back up.

Kermit.de.frog

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm far from a conspiracy theorist, but I'm leaning towards the Wuhan lab theory tbh. It seems far too much of a coincidence that this major virus just 'happened' to come from the city with China's largest virus laboratory. Their refusal to accept WHO investigating teams also feeds this theory. It's completely plausible.

https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1256576858923073539

When I brought up this coincidence near the start I was hopped on.

It's literally a thousand feet from what China describes as the source...



So yeah, it doesn't look great

fritzelly

Miike wrote: »

I haven't once complimented Sweden in their approach. I've reiterated what's in the video that person linked.

And which part of my post was vitriolic bile? It's a general observation, that a minority of muppets will be the detriment of containing this epidemic as has been demonstrated by gatherings of people consistently occurring across the nation. Is it the hashed our swear words that make it vitriolic bile? Next time I'll use more flowery language so it won't get your back up.

Ireland like a very few countries has the ethos of policing by consent unlike the likes of Spain, France etc
Maybe that it's why some people take umbrage at being told what to do
Was there anything in the new law that would could be upheld if challenged I wonder - too drunk to read thru the constitution laws right now

fritzelly

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1256576858923073539

When I brought up this coincidence near the start I was hopped on.

It's literally a thousand feet from what China describes as the source...
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But...Wuhan Center for Disease Releases doesn't exist on Google Maps

ek motor

"It notes a 2013 study conducted by a team of researchers, including Dr Shi, who collected a sample of horseshoe bat faeces from a cave in Yunnan province, China, which was later found to contain a virus 96.2 per cent identical to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that caused COVID-19.

The research dossier also references work done by the team to synthesise SARS-like coronaviruses, to analyse whether they could be transmissible from bats to mammals. This means they were altering parts of the virus to test whether it was transmissible to different species.

Their November 2015 study, done in conjunction with the University of North Carolina, concluded that the SARS-like virus could jump directly from bats to humans and there was no treatment that could help.

The study acknowledges the incredible danger of the work they were conducting."

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/coronavirus/bombshell-dossier-lays-out-case-against-chinese-bat-virus-program/news-story/55add857058731c9c71c0e96ad17da60

snoopboggybog

I'm here in the US, 5 states are going to be fecked for quite a while from why i can gather, and I'm in one of them. Giving it till the end of May and I'm fecking home then.

Non solum non ambulabit

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1256576858923073539

When I brought up this coincidence near the start I was hopped on.

It's literally a thousand feet from what China describes as the source...



So yeah, it doesn't look great

I think that map is a fake. I looked up Google maps and the Wuhan lab is well outside the city centre.

Jim_Hodge

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I think that map is a fake. I looked up Google maps and the Wuhan lab is well outside the city centre.

The map is certainly wrong, as they are just over 7km apart. Still relatively close but not close enough for conspiracy theories.

ChelseaRentBoy

The virus coming out of the lab in Wuhan scenario seems to be gathering a lot of traction now among the media. Was discussed extensively last night on CNN for a time. Could China have outright lied to the world about the origin of this thing?

Rob A. Bank

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

The virus coming out of the lab in Wuhan scenario seems to be gathering a lot of traction now among the media. Was discussed extensively last night on CNN for a time. Could China have outright lied to the world about the origin of this thing?

I am really surprised that so many people give credence to Trump's efforts at distraction from his woeful handling of the pandemic in the USA.

USA 4.25% of the world's population.

USA 1,160,838 cases, approx 32% of the world's reported cases.

USA 67,448 deaths, approx 25% of the world's reported deaths.

AllGunsBlazing

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I think that map is a fake. I looked up Google maps and the Wuhan lab is well outside the city centre.

Different lab?


There are two in Wuhan. A level 2 Centre for Disease and Control which was dealing in bat coronavirus and is about 4 miles as the bat, err crow flies. And the Wuhan Institute of Virology which is a little over twice that distance.

AllGunsBlazing

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I am really surprised that so many people give credence to Trump's efforts at distraction from his woeful handling of the pandemic in the USA.

USA 4.25% of the world's population.

USA 1,160,838 cases, approx 32% of the world's reported cases.

USA 67,448 deaths, approx 25% of the world's reported deaths.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. It doesn't absolve him of blame but it needs to be properly investigated irregardless.

Rob A. Bank

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-52508613/coronavirus-how-covid-19-can-hit-the-kidneys

New figures show more than 2,000 patients admitted to intensive care with Covid-19 suffered kidney failure (20% of UK ICU admissions.

They all needed specialist renal treatment to keep them alive.

There is now a shortage of renal dialysis machines emerging in the UK.

This virus keeps throwing up nasty surprises.

Harry Palmr

Media briefing at 11 AM on RTE News Now

caveat emptor

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

The virus coming out of the lab in Wuhan scenario seems to be gathering a lot of traction now among the media. Was discussed extensively last night on CNN for a time. Could China have outright lied to the world about the origin of this thing?

The answer thus far is "we don't know". Here's a piece from Newsweek. Watch the video. I had no idea they conducted "animal passage" experiments. That is just playing with fire. The lab closest to the sea food market was only biosafety level 2.

There is a lot of circumstantial evidence.

https://www.newsweek.com/controversial-wuhan-lab-experiments-that-may-have-started-coronavirus-pandemic-1500503

FishOnABike

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Different lab?


There are two in Wuhan. A level 2 Centre for Disease and Control which was dealing in bat coronavirus and is about 4 miles as the bat, err crow flies. And the Wuhan Institute of Virology which is a little over twice that distance.

So the closest is more than twenty times further away than the map shows and the other forty to fifty times further away?

I think it's time for wikipedia type citations as there are so many different sides pushing their own agenda.

American intelligence service issue a statement https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/item/2112-intelligence-community-statement-on-origins-of-covid-19 saying "The Intelligence Community also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified." and that they "will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan.”

While Trump publicly says he has proof that it came from the virology lab in Wuhan but can't tell the same public anything about that proof.

I have a bridge I'd like to sell to Trump but I can't show it to him or tell him anything about it, but believe me it's the bigliest, bestest bridge ever, tremendous...

Gynoid

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-52508613/coronavirus-how-covid-19-can-hit-the-kidneys

New figures show more than 2,000 patients admitted to intensive care with Covid-19 suffered kidney failure (20% of UK ICU admissions.

They all needed specialist renal treatment to keep them alive.

There is now a shortage of renal dialysis machines emerging in the UK.

This virus keeps throwing up nasty surprises.

Really good little video of Maurice at that site, plus Brian who comes after in next snippet. These are the people who recover and who have been to hell and back to do so. Should be watched by the big dick "my lockdown is over" crew.

snoopboggybog

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I am really surprised that so many people give credence to Trump's efforts at distraction from his woeful handling of the pandemic in the USA.

USA 4.25% of the world's population.

USA 1,160,838 cases, approx 32% of the world's reported cases.

USA 67,448 deaths, approx 25% of the world's reported deaths.

US is doing better than Ireland per population.

Population of Europe is 741 million.

Population of USA is 340 Million.

Population of ROI is 4.9 million

You can do the maths. There's around 6 states badly affected.

What percentage of Europe make up the people affected?

Most states are doing excellent and will reopen soon.

People just love blaming Trump even though he's doing a great job.

stephenjmcd

98 currently in ICU as of last night.

Good article in the independent today regarding government and NPHET, seems to be growing unrest of how everything is being handled. NPHET didn't put any dates to the plan that was released the other day that was a government decision.

Well worth picking up the paper for today.

ZX7R

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-52508613/coronavirus-how-covid-19-can-hit-the-kidneys

New figures show more than 2,000 patients admitted to intensive care with Covid-19 suffered kidney failure (20% of UK ICU admissions.

They all needed specialist renal treatment to keep them alive.

There is now a shortage of renal dialysis machines emerging in the UK.

This virus keeps throwing up nasty surprises.

There was an interesting interview on France 24 Last night there was a French and an English medical consultants been interviewed about links of other medical problem been contacted to covid 19 .
Both were of the opinion that the medical ailments are more likely to be preexisting problems just been highlighted and made worse because people's immune systems are under such pressure fighting the virus.

Gael23

Has the theory that the virus can be transmitted through human faeces been proven or dismissed?

snoopboggybog

Gael23 wrote: »

Has the theory that the virus can be transmitted through human faeces been proven or dismissed?

May stop snorting lines of poo.

caveat emptor

FishOnABike wrote: »

So the closest is more than twenty times further away than the map shows and the other forty to fifty times further away?

I think it's time for wikipedia type citations as there are so many different sides pushing their own agenda.

American intelligence service issue a statement https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/item/2112-intelligence-community-statement-on-origins-of-covid-19saying "The Intelligence Community also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified." and that they "will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan.”

There are two labs in wuhan doing this research that we know of. I've no issue with people calling into question veracity of a particular claim but I do take issue when people try to confound facts to cast doubt. I think this is the source of the map posted. So let's be clear. The article cites a publication by Chinese researchers that claim virus must have been from a lab. China censors all corona virus literature now.That paper was pulled but Italian website has link to paper here. if interested.

• The wuhan centre for disease control BSL2 (one in the photo posted here) is adjacent to market and to hospital where first cases were treated.
  
• The wuhan centre of virology BSL4 is further away.

'The WHCDC was also adjacent to the Union Hospital (Figure 1, bottom) where the first group of doctors were infected during this epidemic.' The report says.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8009669/Did-coronavirus-originate-Chinese-government-laboratory.html

ShineOn7

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Media briefing at 11 AM on RTE News Now

Strange day and time for a briefing surely? Or have they done this before?

Funsterdelux

Gael23 wrote: »

Has the theory that the virus can be transmitted through human faeces been proven or dismissed?

You could test it out?

Funsterdelux

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Strange day and time for a briefing surely? Or have they done this before?

fergal bowers, its a weekly briefing

kippy

snoopboggybog wrote: »

US is doing better than Ireland per population.

Population of Europe is 741 million.

Population of USA is 340 Million.

Population of ROI is 4.9 million

You can do the maths. There's around 6 states badly affected.

What percentage of Europe make up the people affected?

Most states are doing excellent and will reopen soon.

People just love blaming Trump even though he's doing a great job.

The one thing whoever was advising him did right was to shut down international travel and tighten restrictions around it.

His attitude towards the disease from the outset has been shambolic however.

shaveAbullock

Yes the breifings are often early it's the numbers that are released late in the day.

Non solum non ambulabit

snoopboggybog wrote: »

US is doing better than Ireland per population.

Population of Europe is 741 million.

Population of USA is 340 Million.

Population of ROI is 4.9 million

You can do the maths. There's around 6 states badly affected.

What percentage of Europe make up the people affected?

Most states are doing excellent and will reopen soon.

People just love blaming Trump even though he's doing a great job.

I admire your constant trolling, well done. :P

How is the bleach working out for people?

BTW Ireland is a micro state compared to USA. How has Ireland done in comparison to Andorra?

ZX7R

Gael23 wrote: »

Has the theory that the virus can be transmitted through human faeces been proven or dismissed?

The last I read was the scientist that released the original paper on it also carried out studies on the outbreak of Sars outbreak in relation to the spread of that virus and the transfer of that virus trough faeces.
Both papers turned out to be a carbon copy of each other with just dates and virus names changed.

Funsterdelux

ZX7R wrote: »

The last I read was the scientist that released the original paper on it also carried out studies on the outbreak of Sars outbreak in relation to the spread of that virus and the transfer of that virus trough faeces.
Both papers turned out to be a carbon copy of each other with just dates and virus names changed.

Are you poo pooing that study?

:pac:

wakka12

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I am really surprised that so many people give credence to Trump's efforts at distraction from his woeful handling of the pandemic in the USA.

USA 4.25% of the world's population.

USA 1,160,838 cases, approx 32% of the world's reported cases.

USA 67,448 deaths, approx 25% of the world's reported deaths.

EUropean Union+UK is almost 60% of reported deaths worldwide, 6.5% of world population

Professor Moriarty

wakka12 wrote: »

EUropean Union+UK is almost 60% of reported deaths worldwide, 6.5% of world population

Obviously, that depends on how numbers are researched in other countries.

Harry Palmr

Russia's numbers are flying up now.

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This briefing will be interesting when it's opened to questions (if it is) as it's surely going to be all about the supposed robust discussion between cabinet members and Tony Holohan. I'm sure the officials have got their own response ready which will tip toe across this matter.

Oh God, one camera again

Non solum non ambulabit

Testing testing testing. All numbers go back to that.

ShineOn7

Live now https://www.rte.ie/news/player/live/7/

Pitch n Putt

Here we go ramp up testing ramp up testing weekly mantra.

ShineOn7

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Live now https://www.rte.ie/news/player/live/7/

Looks like this will be a long one. There's usually a good recap on Reddit after these things so I'll check that later instead. I'll repost here if there is

What Username Guidelines

Spain allowed some workers back about 3 weeks ago and numbers still plummeting. 800 odd cases today and just 50 in Madrid which was one of the hardest hit areas.

GT89

How many people are dying of Covid 19 and at the time of death the only illness they have is Covid 19? You know like healthy people with no medical complications my guess that figure in this country would be less than 50 perhaps even less than 20. That would be the true death rate. The vast majority of people are not dying of Covid 19 they are dying with Covid 19 in their system.

ChelseaRentBoy

We may never have a vaccine and our lives may be changed forever.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/03/health/coronavirus-vaccine-never-developed-intl/index.html

bodhrandude

What phase will be when you can start travelling from city to city again?

Gynoid

GT89 wrote: »

The vast majority of people are not dying of Covid 19 they are dying with Covid 19 in their system.

Congratulations on both your medical qualification not to mention your epoch-shattering and undoubtedly vastly-researched factual contribution to the quickly evolving scientific canon on the novel coronavirus.

Thepoet85

ShineOn7 wrote:

Looks like this will be a long one. There's usually a good recap on Reddit after these things so I'll check that later instead. I'll repost here if there is

Which sub on Reddit?

wakka12

GT89 wrote: »

How many people are dying of Covid 19 and at the time of death the only illness they have is Covid 19? You know like healthy people with no medical complications my guess that figure in this country would be less than 50 perhaps even less than 20. That would be the true death rate. The vast majority of people are not dying of Covid 19 they are dying with Covid 19 in their system.

That is absolutely false
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-warning-as-major-study-finds-most-elderly-victims-would-not-have-died-otherwise-11980675

Death rate is not calculated based on it's effect on young healthy people only. A huge proportion of the population have other medical problems

Harry Palmr

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

We may never have a vaccine and our lives may be changed forever.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/03/health/coronavirus-vaccine-never-developed-intl/index.html

Wouldn't worry about this yet. There's about 40 vaccine programmes running now let's see them start to fail before we begin panicking