Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Wibbs

Xertz wrote: »

Why are we having these very significant delays?

You’d think at a time like this we would be going out of our way to get this data immediately and accurately for a statistical grab. The finer details of registration are another issue and for family, dignity and historical recording but we surely should have been able to get daily accurate details on this.

Just surprising that we’ve had lags and international bodies putting warning notes on stats about delays.

It's Ireland X. Over the last 30 years in pretty much any endeavour with government(no matter the party in charge) and public service at the helm we can be generally sure of two things; it will go way over budget and there will be significant delays. Why do you think our response to this crisis would be so different?

timsey tiger

MD1990 wrote: »

I do not know why there is not a social media campaign for better nutrition.
Maybe because storees would lose out if people consumed less food & had better nutrition.

If you are morbidly obese, you don't have time to rectify the situation, but maybe they should be included in the groups told to self isolate. (Maybe they are already I haven't checked).

iguana

Turtwig wrote: »

There is a danger when we discuss our symptoms with others that we match our illness to their diagnosis. Ignoring the myriad of differential diagnosis that could cause identical symptoms.

I know. When I first started to experience shortness of breath I was talking to my mum about it and said "I hope I'm coming down with a bad case of psychosomatic." All through my initial illness I wasn't sure if I was really sick or just had some weird desire to feel special. For weeks I was afraid to tell anyone outside my immediate family what I was experiencing because I was worried that they would definitely assume the latter. If I had recovered fully after the initial illness, I'd probably only be 50/50 about whether or not I had it. But developing pleurisy and costochondritis a few days later following exercise, and since discovering that is really common at the moment, (along with myocarditis/pericarditis which I thankfully don't seem to have, although I had a couple of weeks of weird heart activity that has finally normalised) has made me much more sure that I've had this.

Wibbs

Plus the doctor in the AMA(haven't seen them in a while?) noted that in his hospital a number of staff folks had symptoms that got them tests, but they all came back negative.

Drumpot

Wibbs wrote: »

It's Ireland X. Over the last 30 years in pretty much any endeavour with government(no matter the party in charge) and public service at the helm we can be generally sure of two things; it will go way over budget and there will be significant delays. Why do you think our response to this crisis would be so different?

This really annoys me.

2008 - It’s Fianna Fails fault, let’s go FG (as if it’s a massive difference!)
2020 - FG are doing a poor job, vote SF/FF (as if it’s a massive difference!)

It’s such a sad state of affairs that nobody learns anything from anything with regards to how a country is run. A government Mirrors its people, either you aren’t doing enough within government (as a political or supporter) or you aren’t doing enough outside of government (apathetic voter, opposition supporter/politician).

It’s pathetic that we keep going round and round in circles with regards to how this country is run. I’ve said it before, practically everybody needs to look in the mirror if you want to start working on the problems that exist in this country. I’d hazzard a guess most people lack the capacity for any sense of self reflection.

Strazdas

Xertz wrote: »

Why are we having these very significant delays?

You’d think at a time like this we would be going out of our way to get this data immediately and accurately for a statistical grab. The finer details of registration are another issue and for family, dignity and historical recording but we surely should have been able to get daily accurate details on this.

Just surprising that we’ve had lags and international bodies putting warning notes on stats about delays.

But on the other hand, Ireland is reporting all deaths related to Covid-19, even 'probable deaths' without a positive test. So you don't need to go trawling through excess death stats to get a handle on what is happening here.....you're already getting the actual Covid death numbers.

RobertKK

https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1257252935177830402?s=20

Jacinta Ardern thanks her lucky stars her country is not Ireland, the face she makes when she talks about us.

Wibbs

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1257252935177830402?s=20

Jacinta Ardern thanks her lucky stars her country is not Ireland, the face she makes when she talks about us.

Ah she's a silly cow at the best of times and this illustrates it well. New Zealand is in the arse end of the world, no land borders with anyone and is more a destination and departure point in travel and with a population density even lower than ours. Ireland is a hub, sitting off the coast of Europe with flights and people from all over the world landing and/or passing through and has a higher population density.

Now they were dead right to close the ports as places like the Czechs did and get a handle on it that way, but comparisons between there and here are a nonsense. It would be like comparing New York and Dublin.

Drumpot

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1257252935177830402?s=20

Jacinta Ardern thanks her lucky stars her country is not Ireland, the face she makes when she talks about us.

Martina1991

iguana wrote: »

That's maybe easier to say if you haven't been sick for nearly 7 weeks with an illness that's badly effecting your breathing. It's a massively isolating feeling to be sick during a pandemic with an illness that keeps coming back whenever it seems to let up but that you don't know what it actually is. Sure the more I learn, the more convinced I am that it is it, as more and more people are reporting the same (hopefully) post-viral inflammation complications that I'm having. Up until that started being reported I was questioning my sanity at times.

I thankfully do know a degree of what isn't wrong, no sign of heart or lung damage, bacterial infection or blood clot. But I do want to know for sure what is wrong with me.

I'm sorry that you have been feeling so unwell for so long. I can't imagine the frustration you're feeling, and the desire to have a definitive diagnosis.

From my stand point, I don't want to see people putting all their hopes on getting answers from unreliable antibody tests at their own expense.

Antibody testing will hopefully provide useful information, but it has to be done right.

jackboy

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1257252935177830402?s=20

Jacinta Ardern thanks her lucky stars her country is not Ireland, the face she makes when she talks about us.

It’s not like her to make such a PR mistake, she is usually excellent at spin. I’m sure the apology and clarification will come soon.

fly_agaric

IMO you could argue Europe (as a collective) failed.
We are all very interconnected here (...unlike NZ) & no country in the EU took it seriously enough. I think it would have needed a fast unified approach back in early January to have mitigated this disaster.

Not sure the structures exist for anything like that to have happened. In any case a lot of the general public may be loath to admit it now, but probably most would have regarded the necessary measures as an irrational overreaction. Was a hell of a lot of people posting here adamant that it was Gods writ "Paddies day" had to go ahead and the pubs had to remain chock-a-block with punters, (edit almost!) right up to mid March.

Strazdas

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1257252935177830402?s=20

Jacinta Ardern thanks her lucky stars her country is not Ireland, the face she makes when she talks about us.

I didn't read any malice into what she said. I think she was just looking for a similar sized country to compare NZ to (but she could have added her country is ahead of virtually everyone in recovering from Covid-19).

expectationlost

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1257252935177830402?s=20

Jacinta Ardern thanks her lucky stars her country is not Ireland, the face she makes when she talks about us.

a reminder of where New Zealand is

AllGunsBlazing

jackboy wrote: »

It’s not like her to make such a PR mistake, she is usually excellent at spin. I’m sure the apology and clarification will come soon.

No apology will be given. She cited an example of a protracted unlocking and simply stated she didn't want NZ toendure something similar. That's it.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

iguana wrote: »

0.006% of young people developed narcolepsy in countries which pushed the entire population to be vaccinated rather than an initial focus on the vulnerable. I don't want to undermine what those kids have gone through but there is no way that remaining in any state of lockdown is better for the population as a whole than that level of risk.

Yes, but it not being worse was down to luck rather than diligence. As I mentioned, insufficient testing of medicine has caused much more significant problems before. The rigorous testing in place is there for a reason. This virus is not H1N1. So just because things went okay with that one... sort of, doesn't mean that people shouldn't be concerned with the testing being rushed for a covid19 vaccine. To me, a vaccine being developed, tested and manufactured in 5 months is worrying. That is such an unbelievably short amount of time in research terms and I hope if they go down the same road again, that they get away with it. But make no mistake, many corners will be cut to get the vaccine out that quickly.

And I don't know if you are saying that I'm part of the scaremongering but I'm not. I'm speaking as someone who worked in pharmaceutical testing and who has more than a layperson's knowledge of scientific research and how laborious it is.

And personally, I don't consider the stories about young, healthy people being struck down with the virus as scaremongering. I think it's interesting and concerning and I want to know why that happened. I've mentioned before but a woman who a few years ahead of me in primary school is still in a bad way with covid19, with her heart and lungs being supported artificially. She will probably survive but she was lucky to. She was 38 and a healthy non-smoker. Many of the healthcare workers who have died in the UK were young. Shall we stick our heads in the sand and ignore that? Most articles highlight that it's mostly the elderly and immunocompromised that will die but they are not the only ones.

iguana

Martina1991 wrote: »

From my stand point, I don't want to see people putting all their hopes on getting answers from unreliable antibody tests at their own expense.

My feeling is that I don't want to risk paying €150 for an unreliable test but I'd almost be willing to pay twice that for something I was sure of. I don't particularly expect the state to have to cover the cost of me getting answers I want.

Sam Russell

fly_agaric wrote: »

IMO you could argue Europe (as a collective) failed.
We are all very interconnected here (...unlike NZ) & no country in the EU took it seriously enough. I think it would have needed a fast unified approach back in early January to have mitigated this disaster.

Not sure the structures exist for anything like that to have happened. In any case a lot of the general public may be loath to admit it now, but probably most would have regarded the necessary measures as an irrational overreaction. Was a hell of a lot of people posting here adamant that it was Gods writ "Paddies day" had to go ahead and the pubs had to remain chock-a-block with punters, (edit almost!) right up to mid March.

But that is the point. Europe is not a collective wrt Public Health.

Public Health is not a competence for the EU. but maybe after this it might be - either as a joint competency, or a stand alone competence.

If the EU had such competence, then shutting down borders or even economies, would be in their control, and recovering could also be funded by pan EU measures such as EU Bonds, backed by the ECB.

They could also, under EU PH if it existed, source PPE and vaccines, and other relevant drugs that might treat this and other medical emergencies.

They have competence when it comes to animals and food, why not people/citizens?

OscarMIlde

Drumpot wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWsgbgz5euc

Just posting this for anybody interested, it’s one of the sources I use to keep myself up to date. Dr Hanson also does videos on medcram but this video is from Dr Seheult who is the founder of the YouTube channel which is for medical students. He is a Pulmonary, critical care and sleep specialist. Pulmonologist and lots of other credentials that are highlighted in the first minute or so of this video.

Topics include: immunity, COVID-19 testing, treatment trials (including remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, and ivermectin), ICU interventions and ventilation, vascular complications (stroke, MI, PE), NSAIDS, the BCG vaccine, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Quercetin, how SARS-CoV-2 infects, COVID 19 prevention, ACE inhibitors, why children typically get a mild infection, what to expect in coming months, and much more.

This video was like a great update of what the medical profession are learning about the virus. Interestingly he thinks nurtrution and lifestyle may play a massive role on how we manage this virus as a population without a vaccine. My wife and I have been taking VIT C, D And Zinc for months now and he confirms that he thinks there is a definite benefit to this. Obesity may be worse then smoking or having lung conditions when you get COVID19.

Very technical stuff (a lot I didn’t understand) from maybe minute 2-15 but after that some really good information and analysis along with the links to where the research was gotten. Good Q&A at the end aswell.

The one about zinc and hydroxychloroquine highlights how little he understands about research and interpreting papers beyond what scientists are claiming in the conclusions.

Just from the images from the paper he showed alone I could see that the increased Zinc ions within the cell when incubated with chloroquine were actually in the lysosome and hence unavailable to the cell (actually a good thing as you can't just shift the cellular ionic balance like that without causing severe disruption if not cell death). The lysosome is a cell compartment used to digest unwanted material, the stomach of the cell as it were.

Chloroquine diphosphate is widely used in autophagy research precisely because it will inhibit lysosomal protein degradation. If you had used another compound like bafilomycin you would have seen a similar 'rise' in Zn2;+, which is not actually a rise in levels but a failure of the lysosome to degrade the Zn ions when used with these compounds. Either with or without chloroquine I suspect there is little difference in the amount of Zn ions bioavailable within the cell precisely because it does impact so severely on cellular functions.

It wouldn't fill me with confidence about anything else he says.

gabeeg

Wibbs wrote: »

Ah she's a silly cow at the best of times and this illustrates it well. New Zealand is in the arse end of the world, no land borders with anyone and is more a destination and departure point in travel and with a population density even lower than ours. Ireland is a hub, sitting off the coast of Europe with flights and people from all over the world landing and/or passing through and has a higher population density.

Now they were dead right to close the ports as places like the Czechs did and get a handle on it that way, but comparisons between there and here are a nonsense. It would be like comparing New York and Dublin.

That "silly cow", unlike our lot, acted fast and saved countless lives.
That's the valid comparison to make.

We squandered weeks and weeks, and because of that we're going to suffer dreadful human and economic pain.

sonofenoch

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1257252935177830402?s=20

Jacinta Ardern thanks her lucky stars her country is not Ireland, the face she makes when she talks about us.

Tbf you try say the word 'Ireland' with teeth like that....no easy task

Sam Russell

fly_agaric wrote: »

IMO you could argue Europe (as a collective) failed.
We are all very interconnected here (...unlike NZ) & no country in the EU took it seriously enough. I think it would have needed a fast unified approach back in early January to have mitigated this disaster.

Not sure the structures exist for anything like that to have happened. In any case a lot of the general public may be loath to admit it now, but probably most would have regarded the necessary measures as an irrational overreaction. Was a hell of a lot of people posting here adamant that it was Gods writ "Paddies day" had to go ahead and the pubs had to remain chock-a-block with punters, (edit almost!) right up to mid March.

But that is the point. Europe is not a collective wrt Public Health.

Public Health is not a competence for the EU. but maybe after this it might be - either as a joint competency, or a stand alone competence.

If the EU had such competence, then shutting down borders or even economies, would be in their control, and recovering could also be funded by pan EU measures such as EU Bonds, backed by the ECB.

They could also, under EU PH if it existed, source PPE and vaccines, and other relevant drugs that might treat this and other medical emergencies.

They have competence when it comes to animals and food, why not people/citizens?

Turtwig

It's a catch 22 if they standardized European public health the accusation would be of a United States of Europe with less power for individuals Europeans. If they don't you get the sh1t show that occurred this year where no country coordinated anything or listened to any of the numerous ECDC bulletins until it was too late. Everyone did their own thing and it was by and large disastrous.

Turtwig

It's a catch 22 if they standardized European public health the accusation would be of a United States of Europe with less power for individuals Europeans. If they don't you get the sh1t show that occurred this year where no country coordinated anything or listened to any of the numerous ECDC bulletins until it was too late. Everyone did their own thing and it was by and large disastrous.

fly_agaric

Sam Russell wrote: »

But that is the point. Europe is not a collective wrt Public Health.

Public Health is not a competence for the EU. but maybe after this it might be - either as a joint competency, or a stand alone competence.

If the EU had such competence, then shutting down borders or even economies, would be in their control, and recovering could also be funded by pan EU measures such as EU Bonds, backed by the ECB.

They could also, under EU PH if it existed, source PPE and vaccines, and other relevant drugs that might treat this and other medical emergencies.

They have competence when it comes to animals and food, why not people/citizens?

Yes, agree fully. We're not acting as a collective in this area and may never be; as we all know a lot of people across the EU would not be comfortable with what you suggest at all, virus or no virus.

However despite such formal structures not being in place at EU level, if a few key European countries (incl. our non EU neighbours) had taken the risk from this virus very seriously at a much earlier point it probably would have influenced others (like us...) and we'd all be in a better place now.

bekker

Sam Russell wrote: »

But that is the point. Europe is not a collective wrt Public Health.

Public Health is not a competence for the EU. but maybe after this it might be - either as a joint competency, or a stand alone competence.

If the EU had such competence, then shutting down borders or even economies, would be in their control, and recovering could also be funded by pan EU measures such as EU Bonds, backed by the ECB.

They could also, under EU PH if it existed, source PPE and vaccines, and other relevant drugs that might treat this and other medical emergencies.

They have competence when it comes to animals and food, why not people/citizens?

'competence' in the EU treaty definition of the word, no relation to it's actual meaning in everyday English.

cf animals and food - agri-chemicals, South American 'clean' beef etc., implementation of EU competencies is the LCD of the most politically and economically dominant states' interests, together with a genuflection to large corporate interests. Those examples are based on the ones that have been agreed, the list of pending but not yet agreed is long despite the removal of the nation veto.

It is the nature of the stronger to dominate the weaker, that is why the original treaties mandated the right of a nation to veto, signed away in the name of simplicity and streamlining decisions. Politicians in this and other smaller countries were warned in advance of the consequences but chose to ignore it.

There is no reason to believe a 'pandemic competency' would be any different.

Maestro85

What are peoples feeling on opening tourism sites this year? Do you think we will be able to take in the numbers like before and what are the risks for international visitors coming in?

The place I work in is planning on opening this month and has taken bookings from English companies (tour buses) for Asian groups like Miki Travel for August.

To tell you all the truth I am sh*tting my pants at the prospect of dealing with all of this again.....

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Maestro85 wrote: »

What are peoples feeling on opening tourism sites this year? Do you think we will be able to take in the numbers like before and what are the risks for international visitors coming in?

The place I work in is planning on opening this month and has taken bookings from English companies (tour buses) for Asian groups like Miki Travel for August.

To tell you all the truth I am sh*tting my pants at the prospect of dealing with all of this again.....

God, really?

I think international tourism should be curtailed this year personally.

I'm really hoping we get a good summer because I think we'll be staying put. And it should be possible to enjoy the good weather near our own homes if it happens. Sunny, warm weather is pleasant no matter where you are.

Sam Russell

Turtwig wrote: »

It's a catch 22 if they standardized European public health the accusation would be of a United States of Europe with less power for individuals Europeans. If they don't you get the sh1t show that occurred this year where no country coordinated anything or listened to any of the numerous ECDC bulletins until it was too late. Everyone did their own thing and it was by and large disastrous.

It is just a bit further along the 'ever closer' relationship required by the Treaty of Rome.

It would have a huge benefit for all EU citizens to have a unified public health regime throughout the EU. Vaccinations like MMR, fluoride in the water (or not) to help dental health, folic acid in flour to prevent Spina Bifida, Vit D in milk to improve bone health, etc etc. Simple things that have huge public health benefits to prevent avoidable health problems.

bekker

Maestro85 wrote: »

What are peoples feeling on opening tourism sites this year? Do you think we will be able to take in the numbers like before and what are the risks for international visitors coming in?

The place I work in is planning on opening this month and has taken bookings from English companies (tour buses) for Asian groups like Miki Travel for August.

To tell you all the truth I am sh*tting my pants at the prospect of dealing with all of this again.....

Hate to be put in that position myself, but such corporate decisions stem from a lack clarity arising from government's usual abdication of responsibility avoiding mandatory 14 day self-financed isolation and testing for incoming travellers.

If the EU decides that such category of travel poses an unnecessary risk to EU economic interests it won't happen, possibly pan-EU tourism, but more likely no inter-state tourism, could be done via restrictive transport standards rendering it unviable for carriers.

The common travel area is also like to come under pressure unless the UK can visibly get it's act together.

Maybe your employer should be advised to check out the availability and cost of deposit refund insurance, they mightn't have thought through the downside of accepting such bookings.

Maestro85

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

God, really?

I think international tourism should be curtailed this year personally.

I'm really hoping we get a good summer because I think we'll be staying put. And it should be possible to enjoy the good weather near our own homes if it happens. Sunny, warm weather is pleasant no matter where you are.

Local tourism this month, county tourism next month and domestic tourism in July and from August the site will welcome back any international travel groups according to our Commercial Manager. I can't see us being busy at all but the prospect of dealing with tour groups from abroad makes me uneasy. We are not even a big site compared to the storehouse or attractions along the Wild Atlantic Way. Bookings department says there is interest in Ireland as it is seen as a safe place to visit. I personally think we got lucky compared to how bad the virus could have hit us but now isn't the time to get complacent or greedy.

shaveAbullock

How can some international tourist locations think of reopening here again soon if hotels and hostels will only start to reopen on a small scale basis from the 20th July?

WoollyRedHat

Maestro85 wrote: »

What are peoples feeling on opening tourism sites this year? Do you think we will be able to take in the numbers like before and what are the risks for international visitors coming in?

The place I work in is planning on opening this month and has taken bookings from English companies (tour buses) for Asian groups like Miki Travel for August.

To tell you all the truth I am sh*tting my pants at the prospect of dealing with all of this again.....

No, that would be dangerous, only domestic travel should be allowed to happen this year, that goes for every country, stay where you are, get to know your own country. The potential of a new and deadlier wave of infection hitting us in autumn/winter is a real one.

Look back to over 100 years ago at Spanish Flu, first wave in spring followed by a deadlier wave in Autumn. A large number of soldiers who had Spanish Flu who were moved off the front lines and onto packed trains and into field hospitals was one of reasons a second wave caused it to spread like wildfire and killed millions across the globe. With the potential prevalence of asymptomatic and presymptomatic. people carrying the virus, where it might have been lying dormant, it would be like a ticking bomb, the resumption of normal travel in late summer/ autumn would be a huge risk to public health globally. Let us learn from the past so we can look forward to the future.


ETA: the only way I could see that provides potential for international tourism to resume this year is to have a bullet-proof test that indicated travelers didnt have the virus but it would would have to have a very quick turnaround with travellers isolating until results came back. From a science pov we'd have to have a test that detects virus before the person becomes at risk to spreading disease.

Maestro85

shaveAbullock wrote: »

How can some international tourist locations think of reopening here again soon if hotels and hostels will only start to reopen on a small scale basis from the 20th July?

That was my take on it but Failte Ireland have left all of this in the dark and up to individual business/site to determine government mandate.



The Commercial Manager... well after a discussion we had on the topic on Friday night she didn't like my take on it and by yesterday I was quietly told either get on board or get a new job.





My take on it (the roadmap) was this:


20km travel restrictions will only be lifted on June 8th
For May, you can only deal with clients who are within 5km of our business as they cannot travel to you any further
Stage 2 we can deal with hyper local customers and Stage 4 (20 July) is when domestic tourism can really restart and I didn't think international would restart until later dependent on flights etc...

1800_Ladladlad

All the kids out on the road today having a water fight with their parents brining them refilled bottles. One of the parents is a detective. Shows all you need is below average IQ

hmmm

Maestro85 wrote: »

Local tourism this month, county tourism next month and domestic tourism in July and from August the site will welcome back any international travel groups according to our Commercial Manager. I can't see us being busy at all but the prospect of dealing with tour groups from abroad makes me uneasy. We are not even a big site compared to the storehouse or attractions along the Wild Atlantic Way. Bookings department says there is interest in Ireland as it is seen as a safe place to visit. I personally think we got lucky compared to how bad the virus could have hit us but now isn't the time to get complacent or greedy.

A lot of this has been pushed into "Phase 5", which I suspect is a bucket to dump everything that the government doesn't know what to do with but needed to mention.

Staycations only for probably the rest of the year I suspect. Hopefully towards the end of the year we'll have better treatments, we'll understand how the virus spreads, and a vaccine is in sight which will give people more confidence to book for 2021.

shaveAbullock

GM228 wrote: »

20km travel restrictions will only be lifted on June 8th
For May, you can only deal with clients who are within 5km of our business as they cannot travel to you any further
Stage 2 we can deal with hyper local customers and Stage 4 (20 July) is when domestic tourism can really restart and I didn't think international would restart until later dependent on flights etc...

You have the thing about distances all mixed up as that only relates to exercise.

bekker

Sam Russell wrote: »

It is just a bit further along the 'ever closer' relationship required by the Treaty of Rome.

It would have a huge benefit for all EU citizens to have a unified public health regime throughout the EU. Vaccinations like MMR, fluoride in the water (or not) to help dental health, folic acid in flour to prevent Spina Bifida, Vit D in milk to improve bone health, etc etc. Simple things that have huge public health benefits to prevent avoidable health problems.

Agreed that there are many obvious benefits, but there are downsides to that type of centralised control. There were good reasons for certain competencies being omitted from various treaties.

Attempting to add-in health would possibly be the fastest way to fracture the already fragile EU. Even simply attempting to establish a central strategic reserve of PPE would run into a wall of political and commercial problems.

Countries are at loggerheads and forming blocks over such a relatively simple issue as equitable treatment of lorry drivers which affects a tiny % of populations. Heath affects the whole population and is a hot button issue in the national politics of most states.

Maestro85

shaveAbullock wrote: »

You have the thing about distances all mixed up as that only relates to exercise.

Thank you. I was thinking this relates to an onsite presence more than opening as we would have more walk-ins.





To be honest with you all. I would be happy with not being open until August for purely selfish reasons. I am 40-something man and have worked in tourism for 8 years now and I have dealt with a lot of serious first aid incidents during that time so I am not prone to anxiety but it makes me anxious to think of dealing with large tour groups from abroad, particularly the hot spots for the outbreak. Call me a racist if ye wish but getting onto a bus full of Chinese tourists will make me sweat.

shaveAbullock

Maestro85 wrote: »

Thank you. I was thinking this relates to an onsite presence more than opening as we would have more walk-ins.

Another weird thing is the travel restrictions only apply to Irish citizens so international tourists could travel wherever they want.
But I still don't see how this would be possible with almost no accommodation available for them.

WoollyRedHat

Sorry if this has been posted, could be important in identifying those who have virus before they become infectious to others and could be reserved for those who work in health care, nursing homes and potentially on people wishing to enter the country, to avoid outbreaks re-emerging in the community following containment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/us-germ-warfare-lab-creates-test-for-pre-infectious-covid-19-carriers

LillyIsland

I'm studying in UCC (but staying at home atm, in another county) and my lease for the student accommodation expires next week. Am I allowed to go there and move out under the current restrictions?

shaveAbullock

LillyIsland wrote: »

I'm studying in UCC (but staying at home atm, in another county) and my lease for the student accommodation expires next week. Am I allowed to go there and move out under the current restrictions?

As far a I know moving accommodation is essential travel so I think the answer is yes.

Obviously this would not cover people moving between permanent and holiday homes. It's just for someone with one place of residence.

silverharp

https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1257338287322279939

Gael23

16 deaths an 266 cases

Figures with a significant health warning due to bank holiday

branie2

Number of deaths are declining, hopefully

stephenjmcd

Italy reports 1,221 new cases of coronavirus and 195 new deaths.

Total of 211,938 cases and 29,079 deaths.

ACitizenErased

Deaths are way down last few days, and ICU figures constantly decreasing. We're improving ever so slightly.

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/datavizireland/status/1257347053669232642?s=20

hmmm

I'm a bit surprised the number of new cases is remaining so high. Have they finished testing all the nursing homes and is this effectively a backlog, or are these true "new" cases occurring in the community?