Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

owlbethere

Maestro85 wrote: »

That was my take on it but Failte Ireland have left all of this in the dark and up to individual business/site to determine government mandate.



The Commercial Manager... well after a discussion we had on the topic on Friday night she didn't like my take on it and by yesterday I was quietly told either get on board or get a new job.





My take on it (the roadmap) was this:


20km travel restrictions will only be lifted on June 8th
For May, you can only deal with clients who are within 5km of our business as they cannot travel to you any further
Stage 2 we can deal with hyper local customers and Stage 4 (20 July) is when domestic tourism can really restart and I didn't think international would restart until later dependent on flights etc...

That's an appalling attitude from your employer. Put this down in your own written notes and take it to an employment solicitor or citizens information to see where you stand on this.

You were only giving her your understanding of what the road map is and your employer is jumping the gun here.

NegativeCreep

hmmm wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised the number of new cases is remaining so high. Have they finished testing all the nursing homes and is this effectively a backlog, or are these true "new" cases occurring in the community?

Wider criteria for testing. Deaths and numbers in ICU declining nicely

WoollyRedHat

silverharp wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1257338287322279939

silverharp wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1257338287322279939

More of concentrated data like this is needed, as it will improve knowledge of transmission but it also reinforces advice that a lack of social distancing with suspected cases over a concentrated period of time suggests much higher risk of transmission and also of course that this disease is very much asymptomatic. We need correlative studies, for example what are incidences of outbreaks in factories where all or most worker's are wearing masks in terms of percentages? Almost 20 percent of workforce in this case is quite high no?

iamwhoiam

hmmm wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised the number of new cases is remaining so high. Have they finished testing all the nursing homes and is this effectively a backlog, or are these true "new" cases occurring in the community?

Haven’t they loosened the criteria to only one symptom ? I presume that would make the numbers go up?

JP Liz V1

Gael23 wrote: »

16 deaths an 266 cases

Figures with a significant health warning due to bank holiday

RIP

We need to get everyone tested here also start anitbody testing too

ACitizenErased

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Haven’t they loosened the criteria to only one symptom ? I presume that would make the numbers go up?

Exactly this. More testing = more cases.

NH2013

silverharp wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1257338287322279939

Very interesting, and begs the question as to why all cases were asymptomatic, were they a particularly healthy bunch, something in the diet, manual labour etc that made them all not feel any major effects of the virus?

Or could it be that if an asymptomatic person spreads the virus it doesn't pack as much of a punch as a symptomatic person?

Certainly something that warrants looking into.

spookwoman

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Exactly this. More testing = more cases.

from what doctors are saying the tweak in criteria for testing doesn't make much difference, most people won't get tested. The other thing is how many and who's swabs went to germany.

deisedevil

shaveAbullock wrote: »

As far a I know moving accommodation is essential travel so I think the answer is yes.

Obviously this would not cover people moving between permanent and holiday homes. It's just for someone with one place of residence.

I know someone who has a house move company. He was told he can't work and it's not essential. That anyone who is living in a house with a lease expiring or moving to a new house will have to stay where they are and current legislation means they have the right not to move. So no need for anyone to go anywhere.

coastwatch

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

More of concentrated data like this is needed, as it will improve knowledge of transmission but it also reinforces advice that a lack of social distancing with suspected cases over a concentrated period of time suggests much higher risk of transmission and also of course that this disease is very much asymptomatic. We need correlative studies, for example what are incidences of outbreaks in factories where all or most worker's are wearing masks in terms of percentages? Almost 20 percent of workforce in this case is quite high no?

Asymptomatic can also be pre-symptomatic.

35% (120) of the workforce at the meat plant in Roscrea tested positive the week before last.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/01/covid-19-outbreaks-at-irish-meat-plants-raise-fears-over-worker-safety

Beasty

Strazdas wrote: »

I didn't read any malice into what she said. I think she was just looking for a similar sized country to compare NZ to (but she could have added her country is ahead of virtually everyone in recovering from Covid-19).

Not only that, but Ireland has published a timetable, unlike many other countries. It's therefore easy to point to something tangible to compare the countries. I can't think of anywhere else that has been so explicit in setting out steps over the next 3+ months

ChelseaRentBoy

hmmm wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised the number of new cases is remaining so high. Have they finished testing all the nursing homes and is this effectively a backlog, or are these true "new" cases occurring in the community?

I'm not at all. People are out and about again.

fly_agaric

shaveAbullock wrote: »

How can some international tourist locations think of reopening here again soon if hotels and hostels will only start to reopen on a small scale basis from the 20th July?

If we welcome foreign tourists from countries where virus may not be under control (but perhaps govt.'s have decided to try and ignore it/downplay it!) with open arms no questions asked other than some sort of honour system, we can expect a 2nd outbreak to kick off here.

Not sure if the international tourism income is worth that, whatever people who work in the sector, Bord Failte and owners of our "leprechaun shops", tourist sites, airlines, hoteliers, restaurants etc might think about it!

spookwoman

https://twitter.com/StranglersSite/status/1257340035831148544?s=20

Maestro85

owlbethere wrote: »

That's an appalling attitude from your employer. Put this down in your own written notes and take it to an employment solicitor or citizens information to see where you stand on this.

You were only giving her your understanding of what the road map is and your employer is jumping the gun here.

Day, date and time. Commercial manager is and always has been a bully. I know the routine at this stage and a lot of previous staff have left under the same bad circumstances but I have played ball with the hopes and getting a civil service job (paneled in the single digits this year) so that was my hopeful out of this place plan. All up in the air now with this virus and a mortgage to pay so I am taking it on the chin. I doubt the civil service panel I was on will go anywhere as it is up in January and the few permanent staff in this tourism site have been told they are lucky to still have a job.


Such is life. To me though, there seems to be a eagerness to get back to the way it was rather then taking this time to adapt, embrace a new normal and for site rejuvenation (which was desperately needed).



My greatest fear in all of this (the virus and Ireland) is that we won't learn from it going forward.

Ineedaname

NH2013 wrote: »

Very interesting, and begs the question as to why all cases were asymptomatic, were they a particularly healthy bunch, something in the diet, manual labour etc that made them all not feel any major effects of the virus?

Or could it be that if an asymptomatic person spreads the virus it doesn't pack as much of a punch as a symptomatic person?

Certainly something that warrants looking into.

It's important to note one thing though and it's something these type of articles rarely mention. They are asymptomatic at the moment. That does not mean they will be in a weeks time. I'd be very surprised if most of them didn't start to develop symptoms in the coming days.

rob316

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

All the kids out on the road today having a water fight with their parents brining them refilled bottles. One of the parents is a detective. Shows all you need is below average IQ

Kids been kids how awful. Community transmission is way down. Maybe they were still keeping apart?

Speakerboxx

hmmm wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised the number of new cases is remaining so high. Have they finished testing all the nursing homes and is this effectively a backlog, or are these true "new" cases occurring in the community?

Its really scary. Its high enough. But think it under control and ware away in next 2 weeks

Wombatman

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

No, that would be dangerous, only domestic travel should be allowed to happen this year, that goes for every country, stay where you are, get to know your own country. The potential of a new and deadlier wave of infection hitting us in autumn/winter is a real one.

Would be happier to see a blast of Yanks, Koreans or Germans, arriving here in Galway, than a rake of Dubs. The Jackeens are riddled.

bekker

Golf and tennis clubs pushing for 'clarification' as 'essential exercise' and have travel to them an 'essential journey', always thought they were a form of sport/social relaxation, so what makes them think they are any different to other sports, gyms etc?

While exercise is essential, neither golf nor tennis are 'essential' for exercising and driving over 5km to indulge in them would make a travesty of 'essential travel'.

source VM 5.30 News

coastwatch

silverharp wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1257338287322279939

NH2013 wrote: »

Very interesting, and begs the question as to why all cases were asymptomatic, were they a particularly healthy bunch, something in the diet, manual labour etc that made them all not feel any major effects of the virus?

Or could it be that if an asymptomatic person spreads the virus it doesn't pack as much of a punch as a symptomatic person?

Certainly something that warrants looking into.

Ineedaname wrote: »

It's important to note one thing though and it's something these type of articles rarely mention. They are asymptomatic at the moment. That does not mean they will be in a weeks time. I'd be very surprised if most of them didn't start to develop symptoms in the coming days.

I would be very doubtful that many were asymptomatic.
They may claimed not to have symptoms, because if they admitted to having symptoms, then why did they still go to work?
That could have disiplinary consequences.

Arghus

Any briefing this evening lads?

Assetbacked

Wombatman wrote: »

Would be happier to see a blast of Yanks, Koreans or Germans, arriving here in Galway, than a rake of Dubs. The Jackeens are riddled.

Galway County is nice. Galway town is awful. Tacky craft shops, dull pubs and crusty hippies.

Ineedaname

hmmm wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised the number of new cases is remaining so high. Have they finished testing all the nursing homes and is this effectively a backlog, or are these true "new" cases occurring in the community?

No they haven't. My mother works in a nursing home and they're only being tested this week.

Non solum non ambulabit

hmmm wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised the number of new cases is remaining so high. Have they finished testing all the nursing homes and is this effectively a backlog, or are these true "new" cases occurring in the community?

Testing has ramped up significantly. At 188k tests now. More testing more cases identified. ICU and Deaths are the important numbers.

WoollyRedHat

Wombatman wrote: »

Would be happier to see a blast of Yanks, Koreans or Germans, arriving here in Galway, than a rake of Dubs. The Jackeens are riddled.

I'm not suggesting domestic travel should return to normal at this point in time, but obviously you will have a situation where domestic travel is normalised before international travel resumes.

You certainly can't have situation where people are allowed enter; return to a country and cause a surge in infections after the population ha smanaged to contain the virus , there would be riots.

Larbre34

New cases aren't high. With all the backlogs cleared and the figures apparently up to date they are increasing at <1%

We know one third are frontline workers contracting it (may they all get well soon) and there is still high levels in nursing home setting unfortunately. But the general Community setting is looking very positive, subject to remaining vigilant and strictly observing the phasing strategy for gradual return to increased socialisation.

xtal191

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Haven’t they loosened the criteria to only one symptom ? I presume that would make the numbers go up?

Yeah but you now have to be in a priority group to be tested

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1255069095680266240

Beasty

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

I'm not at all. People are out and about again.

There remains a lag between people catching this and showing symptoms. Then there'a a lag before testing is done. And then another lag before results come through. Today's "positives" probably picked it up 2+ weeks ago

Overlay the significant increase in testing and the fact they are going through all the nursing homes, I'm pleasantly surprised the numbers have dropped so much

Having said that tomorrow will be a better guide given the vagaries of test results over weekends and public holidays

DebDynamite

hmmm wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised the number of new cases is remaining so high. Have they finished testing all the nursing homes and is this effectively a backlog, or are these true "new" cases occurring in the community?

Not sure if they were finished with the nursing ones, but they were also going to start on residential care homes, so they’ll still be doing targeting testing in at-risk institutions.

Wombatman

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I'm not suggesting domestic travel should return to normal at this point in time, but obviously you will have a situation where domestic travel is normalised before international travel resumes.

You certainly can't have situation where people are allowed enter; return to a country and cause a surge in infections after the population ha smanaged to contain the virus , there would be riots.

Countries should introduce independent random sampling programs going forward. Could possibly be done in airports for nationals arriving and departing. Countries with an agreed level of positives should be isolated until they get their numbers down to acceptable levels.

MD1990

deaths really going down now in Ireland,Italy,Spain & in the UK

Looks like we are now finally past the peak across Europe.

Even Sweden with no lockdown have not seen huge growth in the last week.

Maestro85

Assetbacked wrote: »

Galway County is nice. Galway town is awful. Tacky craft shops, dull pubs and crusty hippies.

Wise words from my father "Galway city is full of fast women and expensive guinness"....


Or maybe he said the other way round

eagle eye

fullstop wrote:

Sure they can’t ****ing win. If they didn’t come out with the detailed plan you’d probably be on here saying they haven’t a clue what happens next and it’s not fair to keep the country in the dark about everything. They give a detailed plan for the next few months and it’s up to people to adhere to the rules, but of course every selfish prick sees it as a green light to have all their friends round for a boozy bbq in the sun. It’s those idiots you should be moaning about.

I would be calling them idiots for sure.

However if they had decided to close our borders, make it law to wear a facemask when in urban areas or around other people in public, maintain social distancing and say that in four weeks time if people stick to these conditions that we'll start to reopen then you'd hear me applaud them.

coastwatch

Wombatman wrote: »

Countries should introduce independent random sampling programs going forward. Could possibly be done in airports for nationals arriving and departing. Countries with an agreed level of positives should be isolated until they get their numbers down to acceptable levels.

I think travel within the EU could be re-started in a couple of months, without the need to isolate, based on the countries achieving an agreed testing standard.
Thats how the EU could re-engage at this stage, after the long silence.

Arghus

Larbre34 wrote: »

New cases aren't high. With all the backlogs cleared and the figures apparently up to date they are increasing at <1%

We know one third are frontline workers contracting it (may they all get well soon) and there is still high levels in nursing home setting unfortunately. But the general Community setting is looking very positive, subject to remaining vigilant and strictly observing the phasing strategy for gradual return to increased socialisation.

I don't have a lot of belief in that happening. My faith in people's ability to remain vigilant is waning day by day. The lockdown seems to have ended in a lot of people's minds over the weekend.

My housemate headed off to a party last night and he's out and about again today. Can't lecture him because he's a grown man and wouldn't listen anyway.

I work in a pretty large retail store that's stayed open throughout. The staff are appalling when it comes to social distancing, they have been since the very beginning. Maybe more people are washing their hands, but zero - literally zero - appropriate social distancing is going on: people still standing right beside each other, sitting on break right beside each other etc, etc.

Customers, in general, were actually pretty good up until about a fortnight ago. Gave each other lots of space, didn't crowd around, a large amount wearing masks, stayed behind lines, waited until called etc, etc. Obviously, there were exceptions, but in general you could see that the majority were being careful. That's changed now, to the point where most people are just behaving like normal again. People coughing and sneezing without covering their mouthes is back again.

Redo91

Assetbacked wrote: »

Galway County is nice. Galway town is awful. Tacky craft shops, dull pubs and crusty hippies.

It’s a city not a town thank you very much.

political analyst

If the R number in Ireland is below 1, then why won't the government let cafés and restaurants re-open earlier than the date currently planned?

ACitizenErased

political analyst wrote: »

If the R number in Ireland is below 1, then why won't the government let cafés and restaurants re-open earlier than the date currently planned?

Because the R number will go right back up again

Ficheall

political analyst wrote: »

If the R number in Ireland is below 1, then why won't the government let cafés and restaurants re-open earlier than the date currently planned?

Because we want to keep it below 1 for a little while longer at least.

Jim_Hodge

political analyst wrote: »

If the R number in Ireland is below 1, then why won't the government let cafés and restaurants re-open earlier than the date currently planned?

You haven't grasped what the R0 is. Even 0.5 means 10 infected people infect 5, who infect 5 more, and on and on until we're right back where we started.

Christy42

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You haven't grasped what the R0 is. Even 0.5 means 10 infected people infect 5, who infect 5 more, and on and on until we're right back where we started.

Err. No. It means 10 people infect 5 who infect 2/3 etc.


Below 1 means the virus will disappear in time. However it has to be kept below 1 for this to happen and the lower the quicker it goes away which is why cafes etc. are still closed.

Micky 32

hmmm wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised the number of new cases is remaining so high. Have they finished testing all the nursing homes and is this effectively a backlog, or are these true "new" cases occurring in the community?

Have you not checked the hospital admissions and ICU data or are those numbers not dramatic enough for you? :rolleyes:

DebDynamite

coastwatch wrote: »

I think travel within the EU could be re-started in a couple of months, without the need to isolate, based on the countries achieving an agreed testing standard.
Thats how the EU could re-engage at this stage, after the long silence.

In a couple of months, Ireland isn’t even going to he opened up to its own citizens! (Well, bar the ones who live in Northern Ireland - they have free rein). We have to wait until 20th July to travel more than 20km! Talk of allowing international tourism to start again is ludicrous

tigger123

Is there any indication for creches being open? Apart from the one or two lines in the Governments plan (that really didn't give any clarity).

Stheno

DebDynamite wrote: »

In a couple of months, Ireland isn’t even going to he opened up to its own citizens! (Well, bar the ones who live in Northern Ireland - they have free rein). We have to wait until 20th July to travel more than 20km! Talk of allowing international tourism to start again is ludicrous

I'm wondering if they went with the most drawn out timetable they could? Cillian de Gascun said at the weekend the opening could be accelerated if things went well

And does anyone find it a coincidence the pubs are to open after the last Summer bank holiday?

Jim_Hodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You haven't grasped what the R0 is. Even 0.5 means 10 infected people infect 5, who infect 5 more, and on and on until we're right back where we started.

Another genius who's been posting here for a month but still hasn't the first clue of the basics.
Read something other than a message board and educate yourself.

Stheno

tigger123 wrote: »

Is there any indication for creches being open? Apart from the one or two lines in the Governments plan (that really didn't give any clarity).

20th July for non essential workers children

Benimar

tigger123 wrote: »

Is there any indication for creches being open? Apart from the one or two lines in the Governments plan (that really didn't give any clarity).

Opening on a phased basis on July 20th for kids of non-essential workers.

No detail on what phased means, but obviously hours and/or days will be restricted.

Micky 32

DebDynamite wrote: »

In a couple of months, Ireland isn’t even going to he opened up to its own citizens! (Well, bar the ones who live in Northern Ireland - they have free rein). We have to wait until 20th July to travel more than 20km! Talk of allowing international tourism to start again is ludicrous

Don’t worry, lots of time for the international tourists to plan, no rush. No harm planning for the future either that WILL see the international tourism return without any doubt whatsoever.