Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Loozer

Varadkar did a steady job of it overall

They let the virus rip through nursing homes while locking.down fit working.people

No getting away from that

eagle eye

Vintners care about one thing, money.

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Explain at least how you know these journeys were not essential and that the passengers did not have valid reasons for travel.

10000maniacs wrote: »

Viruses don't care about your points.
You don't grasp how viruses work. Do you?

You don't grasp that certain essential journeys have to occur. Your answer was idiotic

podgeandrodge

eagle eye wrote: »

Vintners care about one thing, money.

And I care about pints. I'm in!

10000maniacs

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

Vintners are complaining about being treated "second class citizens". Hilarious.
Although many people's lives seem to revolve around the pub, many of us rarely set foot in them and wouldn't care if they all vanished.
Pubs are unnecessary to all but publicans and their staff. They should be last in line to get back to normal.
Also, how much did pubs and nightclubs contribute to packed A&E departments on weekend nights? Really not a good idea.

And don't forget the politicians. They have a lot of family associations with pubs.
I remember being charged €9.50 for a pint of Rockshore in a city centre pub a few years ago and asked myself what the complete **** is going on here?
They are not needed by the Irish people. Let them go to the wall.

niallo27

eagle eye wrote: »

Vintners care about one thing, money.

Doesnt every buisness think about making money, if they dont there is no buisness.

celt262

eagle eye wrote: »

Varadkar = incapable
Martin = stinking of the banking crisis and incapable

We have elected fools and continue to do so.

Oh, just as I was about to post I realised you are a lover of either FF or FG.
I don't think much of Mary Lou either but she hasn't had the chance to show she's as bad or worse than the other hopeless cases mentioned above

Varadkar isn't incapable, Martin is a klob and im not a lover of FF or FG why would you think that?

ZX7R

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Two friends of mine are medics. Both said they won't fly again until there is a vaccine.

Two friends of mine are nurses, one is planning on flying home June the other September to visit family.
Neither are waiting for a vaccine.

Loozer

Vintners won't give a fuKk about distancing once they get opened

stephenjmcd

10000maniacs wrote: »

And don't forget the politicians. They have a lot of family associations with pubs.
I remember being charged €9.50 for a pint of Rockshore in a city centre pub a few years ago and asked myself what the complete **** is going on here?
They are not needed by the Irish people. Let them go to the wall.

9.50 really? Temple bar is bad but it's not 9.50 bad for a pint. Wouldn't step foot in temple bar myself, it's a tourist trap.

So based off that experience you say let them go to the wall ?? My local is €5.30 for a pint and I'd hate to see them go to the wall as all the lads working in it are local with families to support.

Plumbthedepths

eagle eye wrote: »

Vintners care about one thing, money.

Isn't that the same motivator for any business?

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

So Macron proving that he is a fool too. How have so many European countries elected gob****es to run their countries?

Why is he a gob****e? EU countries are all on pretty much the same trajectory with respect to the slowdown of the spread, and relaxations, although nuanced between countries, are not going to be a million miles away from one another. The cost:benefit to shutting down intra-EU travel IMO makes no sense. We should just make sure that arrivals from the Americas or Africa or the Middle East quarantine at their point of entry in the EU, or else prove they have been in Europe for more than two weeks before entering Ireland

10000maniacs

stephenjmcd wrote: »

9.50 really? Temple bar is bad but it's not 9.50 bad for a pint. Wouldn't step foot in temple bar myself, it's a tourist trap.

So based off that experience you say let them go to the wall ?? My local is €5.30 for a pint and I'd hate to see them go to the wall as all the lads working in it are local with families to support.

Yeah, €9.50. I think it was Café En Seine or one of those places.

iamwhoiam

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

If people actually had covid before Christmas the carnage in care homes would have begun far sooner than it did.

None of you had it before Christmas. Deal with it. Move on.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0505/1136477-covid19-coronavirus-europe/L

US2

stephenjmcd wrote: »

9.50 really? Temple bar is bad but it's not 9.50 bad for a pint. Wouldn't step foot in temple bar myself, it's a tourist trap.

So based off that experience you say let them go to the wall ?? My local is €5.30 for a pint and I'd hate to see them go to the wall as all the lads working in it are local with families to support.

No where in Ireland charges 9.50 for a pint of anything. You know his claim is bull because rockshore was only released last year.

10000maniacs

US2 wrote: »

No where in Ireland charges 9.50 for a pint of anything. You know his claim is bull because rockshore was only released last year.

You know my claim is bull because Rockshore was released last year?.:rolleyes:
It has been around for 3+ years.

Plumbthedepths

US2 wrote: »

No where in Ireland charges 9.50 for a pint of anything. You know his claim is bull because rockshore was only released last year.

Thought that myself, you do have to laugh at the exaggerating that goes on with some.

silverharp

Fact check on this? It would be interesting if true

https://twitter.com/GuruAnaerobic/status/1257646028326604801

Hrududu

XsApollo wrote: »

One passenger commented that they weren’t given advice on how to keep safe?
What age were they? 2?
I presume they were an adult of some sort.
I think everybody in Europe pretty much knows what’s happening, if a grown adult needs advice at this time on how to keep safe well..,..I have no idea.

Yeah I mean if you are choosing to fly right now then how can you be needing advice on how to stay safe? Have they not watched the news? Just showing up at an airport to fly in the middle of a pandemic and pawn off responsibility on other people to tell you how to keep safe seems ridiculous.

Professor Moriarty

ZX7R wrote: »

Two friends of mine are nurses, one is planning on flying home June the other September to visit family.
Neither are waiting for a vaccine.

There you go. Doctors differ and...

Plumbthedepths

10000maniacs wrote: »

You know my claim is bull because Rockshore was released last year?.:rolleyes:
It has been around for 3+ years.

It hasn't, it was launched in February 2018.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

So Macron proving that he is a fool too. How have so many European countries elected gob****es to run their countries?

Having a different view or making a different decision informed by different advice or personal opinion does not automatically make someone a fool, even if they are wrong. Its the process by which those decisions we arrived at and the critical thinking that was applied when forming the opinion or evaluating the options to make a decision that inform you as to the persons abilities

US2

10000maniacs wrote: »

You know my claim is bull because Rockshore was released last year?.:rolleyes:
It has been around for 3+ years.

Tell us the name of the pub that charged you 9.50 for a pint please ?

Unviield in 2018 didnt get to most places till last year. I'm a sales rep for Diageo.

niallo27

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

There you go. Doctors differ and...

They go into hospitals every day with the constant threat of it, work with it all day but they wont get on a flight for 2 hours.

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote:

Why is he a gob****e? EU countries are all on pretty much the same trajectory with respect to the slowdown of the spread, and relaxations, although nuanced between countries, are not going to be a million miles away from one another. The cost:benefit to shutting down intra-EU travel IMO makes no sense. We should just make sure that arrivals from the Americas or Africa or the Middle East quarantine at their point of entry in the EU, or else prove they have been in Europe for more than two weeks before entering Ireland

It's times like these, pandemics, economic depressions, wars etc when you see who great leaders are.
Milos Zeman and Sebastian Kurz have stepped forward as two great, strong leaders.
Macron led France into a horrendous situation, as did Boris Johnson in the UK, Sanchez in Spain, Conte in Italy, Rutte in the Netherlands, Wilmes in Belgium and Varadkar in Ireland.
All of those didn't move quickly enough on this pandemic and didn't put proper measures in place to best fight it as best we could.

US2

I've a feeling we wont find out which pub charged it because there isnt any.

wakka12

silverharp wrote: »

Fact check on this? It would be interesting if true

https://twitter.com/GuruAnaerobic/status/1257646028326604801

Even if people are doing a lot more exercise and are less stressed it seems hard to believe those benefits would have such a pronounced impact on the number of strokes and heart attacks occurring in just two months. Like wouldnt it take a while longer than that to improve your health

lalababa

To all those doubters that c-19 was here earlier!!! On the news today: French patient dying in hospital from c-19 on December 27th. What 7-10 days after infection. .. December 17th??
Deceased was a fishmonger who's last travel was to Algeria in August 19.

gabeeg

US2 wrote: »

I've a feeling we wont find out which pub charged it because there isnt any.

Well do keep trying because we have to get to the bottom of it

On behalf of everyone here, thanks for all your hard work

iamwhoiam

lalababa wrote: »

To all those doubters that c-19 was here earlier!!! On the news today: French patient dying in hospital from c-19 on December 27th. What 7-10 days after infection. .. December 17th??
Deceased was a fishmonger who's last travel was to Algeria in August 19.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0505/1136477-covid19-coronavirus-europe/


Yes . Also reports came in from hospitals in Northern Italy that they reported a huge increase in pneumonia cases in December .

eagle eye

lalababa wrote:

To all those doubters that c-19 was here earlier!!! On the news today: French patient dying in hospital from c-19 on December 27th. What 7-10 days after infection. .. December 17th?? Deceased was a fishmonger who's last travel was to Algeria in August 19.

Guess what, it might be a good idea to read through the thread before posting. You'll find if you do that this information has already been thoroughly discussed.

is_that_so

Austria happy with easing of restrictions. This is what we want to see as well as we work through our phases.

Austria says reopening shops has not accelerated coronavirus infections
Austria’s first loosening of its coronavirus lockdown three weeks ago, in which thousands of shops reopened, has not led to a new spike in infections, though further vigilance is necessary, its health minister said on Tuesday.

Eod100

Unusual story here of researcher in US supposedly close to making significant breakthrough on Cvodid19 killed in apparent murder suicide. It's likely pure coincidence but still.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/05/04/ross-township-apparent-murder-suicide/

celt262

lalababa wrote: »

To all those doubters that c-19 was here earlier!!! On the news today: French patient dying in hospital from c-19 on December 27th. What 7-10 days after infection. .. December 17th??
Deceased was a fishmonger who's last travel was to Algeria in August 19.

Well i wouldn't believe anything you post anyway.

Can you not read the article you got that from and post what it says.

mloc123

US2 wrote: »

I'm a sales rep for Diageo.

Didn't you say last week you were "frontline" staff in a factory?

Professor Moriarty

niallo27 wrote: »

They go into hospitals every day with the constant threat of it, work with it all day but they wont get on a flight for 2 hours.

They are GPs.

eagle eye

is_that_so wrote:

Austria happy with easing of restrictions. This is what we want to see as well as we work through our phases.

Yes, let's do what Austria did or the Czech Republic and move on from there.
They are milesxl ahead of us by doing the right things.

silverharp

Vit D study

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1257614198537883648

Stheno

lalababa wrote: »

To all those doubters that c-19 was here earlier!!! On the news today: French patient dying in hospital from c-19 on December 27th. What 7-10 days after infection. .. December 17th??
Deceased was a fishmonger who's last travel was to Algeria in August 19.

He didn't die

10000maniacs

US2 wrote: »

Tell us the name of the pub that charged you 9.50 for a pint please ?

Unviield in 2018 didnt get to most places till last year. I'm a sales rep for Diageo.

I call Bull**** on your claim that you work for Diageo.

is_that_so

silverharp wrote: »

Vit D study

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1257614198537883648

Now would be a good time to do widescale studies on this and a lot of the mini-studies out of this pandemic. Getting enough Vitamin D is good thing , anyway!

JDD

eagle eye wrote: »

Guess what, it might be a good idea to read through the thread before posting. You'll find if you do that this information has already been thoroughly discussed.

I'm afraid I'm only coming into the thread now after a short absence (which would mean hours of catching up on posts to see previous discussions).

I remember saying this either on this thread or the Ask Me Anything consultant thread - four people in work got a virus in Dec/Jan that had every hallmark of being COVID 19. Hacking cough, shortness of breath, diagnosed with viral pneumonia etc. All of them said that it was the weirdest illness they ever had, with the fever and the gasping for breath, and then feeling better, and then coming down with it again. Their GPs all mentioned that they had been seeing a lot of the same symptoms at the time.

Now I know there are ways of tracking a virus - i.e. the virus circulating at the moment can be traced back to one in the UK and previous to that, Italy, etc etc. But what if there had been a previous strain circulating that wasn't relating to the UK/Spain/Italy strains circulating in late Feb/March.

I realise I am neither a doctor or a scientist, and there will be people who are experts in this area that have repeatedly refuted that COVID 19 was circulating in Ireland in Dec/Jan. And I'm normally someone who defers to people who are actually qualified to give an answer to this. But yet, a niggling doubt remains.

What difference will it make? Well, if catching the virus provides you with some immunity, perhaps there is more immunity in the community than we think, which can only be a good thing. I'm not saying we should become complacent, after all cases in December in Italy and France haven't seemed to have helped them much.

iamwhoiam

is_that_so wrote: »

Now would be a good time to do widescale studies on this and a lot of the mini-studies out of this pandemic. Getting enough Vitamin D is good thing , anyway!

We are taking Vit C and D now for two weeks .It cannot harm and just might help

gabeeg

silverharp wrote: »

Vit D study

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1257614198537883648

Vitamin D deficiency can be caused by things like obesity, crohns disease etc

So I'm guessing that's why there's correlation. And unfortunately why taking vit D supplements won't do a damn thing to help you fight off covid.

caveat emptor

owlbethere wrote: »

That's unreal given the circumstances.

On a personal level for your own personal health and safety
1) avoiding/minising crowds is crucial
2) avoiding/minising travel

If it was me with a ticket, personally I wouldn't travel.

The airline also has a responsibility here considering governments have implemented social distancing guidelines to slow down the spread of this.

I will be interested in learning what the outcome of this packed flight will be in a few more weeks. Whether people get ill or not.

I agree. So much for people minimising the fact that flights were still operating here weeks ago. Looking at the photo I'm sure the following excuses that were trotted out then apply now.

• they are british / English citizens being repatriated
• how else are they supposed to get home?
• there's nobody on those flights anyway

Funny how private industry operates in its interests even if it is clearly not in the interest of its employees or customers.
Also Funny how government doesn't want to regulate as they now the airlines will hold them to ransom if they go under.

So we all live in in a state of disbelieve to aide with the cognitive dissonance of acting in everyones interests.

ELM327

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Well unless you do, I don't know their individual, and potentially valid, reasons for travel.

In terms of distancing, that is a responsibility of Aer Lingus too, if you need to travel and it is a very full flight there isn't much you can personally do.

What possible basis could there be?
You'd be better off from a health perspective getting a ferry over than a plane.

Gonzo

10000maniacs wrote: »

Yeah, €9.50. I think it was Café En Seine or one of those places.

I stopped drinking there years ago as their prices were just off the scale, but I don't think it was 9.50 per pint, it was closer to 7.50 to 8 euros per pint.

silverharp

gabeeg wrote: »

Vitamin D deficiency can be caused by things like obesity, crohns disease etc

So I'm guessing that's why there's correlation. And unfortunately why taking vit D supplements won't do a damn thing to help you fight off covid.

Im sure it goes both ways , there would be plenty of conditions that force Vit D levels lower but loads of people are low because of lifestyle/choice.

Real Life

gabeeg wrote: »

Vitamin D deficiency can be caused by things like obesity, crohns disease etc

So I'm guessing that's why there's correlation. And unfortunately why taking vit D supplements won't do a damn thing to help you fight off covid.

Vitamin D deficiency is also very common in this part of the world without those illnesses. There has been some studies done showing correlation between low Vitamin D levels and people being up to 10x more likely to die from Covid 19. Supplementing looks to be useful and certainly no harm

gabeeg

Real Life wrote: »

Vitamin D deficiency is also very common in this part of the world without those illnesses. There has been some studies done showing correlation between low Vitamin D levels and people being up to 10x more likely to die from Covid 19. Supplementing looks to be useful and certainly no harm

Absolutely no harm at all.

And I shouldn't be too discouraging on the off-chance it works