Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

ChelseaRentBoy

Shelle1234. wrote: »

So just to clarify. I'm morbidly obese, diabetic and have hypertension...lucky me.i suffere severe depression and admit seriously to letting myself go, locking myself in the house and trying to eat away the sadness. About 8 months ago i started to get a hold on things. I've lost four stone and although on meds for life (pre existing conditions PCOS) for diabetes, and blood pressure they are controlled. But I still have a ways to go with the old weight.....am I right in thinking that if I get this I'm seriously fecked?? (41 year old female). Also as restrictions ease am I right or wrong to think I'm going to be keeping my kids home and off school until a vaccine is in place because of the risks. I'm all for things getting back to normal but like so many I want it done sensibly. I also feel there will be an element of trial and error and people will die,but I dont want to be trial or error. I have a 13 and 7 year old and dont think I will be letting them out to play or even back to school in Sept Sept something changes. Am I a horrible parent ??

Also ivr been reading this thread from the beginning and although I dont participate often I do appreciate the modicum of sense on this site.....even the odd side of doomsdayers and negative comments are sensible. I've recently looked through a group on fb called end the lockdown ireland and omg .....there are no words for the way some people think lol.

Many thanksxxxx

Whatever you do don't listen or take advice from this site.

Talk to a professional GP.

Good luck

JP Liz V1

Shelle1234. wrote: »

So just to clarify. I'm morbidly obese, diabetic and have hypertension...lucky me.i suffere severe depression and admit seriously to letting myself go, locking myself in the house and trying to eat away the sadness. About 8 months ago i started to get a hold on things. I've lost four stone and although on meds for life (pre existing conditions PCOS) for diabetes, and blood pressure they are controlled. But I still have a ways to go with the old weight.....am I right in thinking that if I get this I'm seriously fecked?? (41 year old female). Also as restrictions ease am I right or wrong to think I'm going to be keeping my kids home and off school until a vaccine is in place because of the risks. I'm all for things getting back to normal but like so many I want it done sensibly. I also feel there will be an element of trial and error and people will die,but I dont want to be trial or error. I have a 13 and 7 year old and dont think I will be letting them out to play or even back to school in Sept Sept something changes. Am I a horrible parent ??

Also ivr been reading this thread from the beginning and although I dont participate often I do appreciate the modicum of sense on this site.....even the odd side of doomsdayers and negative comments are sensible. I've recently looked through a group on fb called end the lockdown ireland and omg .....there are no words for the way some people think lol.

Many thanksxxxx

Look after yourself and your family, do what you think is best and take care

MD1990

Shelle1234. wrote: »

So just to clarify. I'm morbidly obese, diabetic and have hypertension...lucky me.i suffere severe depression and admit seriously to letting myself go, locking myself in the house and trying to eat away the sadness. About 8 months ago i started to get a hold on things. I've lost four stone and although on meds for life (pre existing conditions PCOS) for diabetes, and blood pressure they are controlled. But I still have a ways to go with the old weight.....am I right in thinking that if I get this I'm seriously fecked?? (41 year old female). Also as restrictions ease am I right or wrong to think I'm going to be keeping my kids home and off school until a vaccine is in place because of the risks. I'm all for things getting back to normal but like so many I want it done sensibly. I also feel there will be an element of trial and error and people will die,but I dont want to be trial or error. I have a 13 and 7 year old and dont think I will be letting them out to play or even back to school in Sept Sept something changes. Am I a horrible parent ??

Also ivr been reading this thread from the beginning and although I dont participate often I do appreciate the modicum of sense on this site.....even the odd side of doomsdayers and negative comments are sensible. I've recently looked through a group on fb called end the lockdown ireland and omg .....there are no words for the way some people think lol.

Many thanksxxxx

these can be reversed or greatly reduced with a good diet.
something like Oatmeal,Wholegrain bread/pasta or rice, then some lean proteins(chicken,fish,eggs),veg & gradually cut down your calories.

Of course it will be hard to cut the proccessed foods at first but think of the benefits


Maybe start a walking program (no risk once you are moving outside) & build from there.

all the best

ChelseaRentBoy

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Someone said to me earlier, so it must be true, that countries are broadly all coming to a peak at similar times regardless of the lockdown severity approach taken. And that social distancing alone, rather than the shutting down of all businesses, would perhaps have been sufficient had they concentrated on protecting nursing homes etc.

Thoughts?

The person you talked to is an idiot.

bettyoleary

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Where are most UK cases coming from at the moment?

Nursing Homes but there is still lots of clusters in hotspots as well. I supposed packed Aer Lingus Flights wont help

Maestro85

wadacrack wrote: »

Cocooners, I hope that phrase becomes eradicated along with Covid

bettyoleary

Seamai wrote: »

It is worrying, all the more so when we have a pretty soft border with part of it. I doubt that full plane between London and Belfast was a once off, personally I'd be taking the boat at the moment but if I boarded that plane and saw that many people I'd be asking to get off.


Why were all the UK news websites today putting the death figures at in excess of 32,000 but the figure given by Dominic Raab is 2,500 less? I notice that he just gave the new total, not the increase on yesterday, is this an attempt to soften or disguise a shocking figure?

They are not including care homes in the figures at the same time. Care home figures were added later. They are adding on the same day though.

Stheno

Miike wrote: »

Are you me? :pac:

Ha! I'd an interaction with a surgeon last year who due to a and e misinterpret an xray had to tell me that rather than three weeks for a minor injury, I was 75% certain to need surgery.

Without me saying anything for a minute or so, he then said "why are you looking at me like I've just told you I'm going to slaughter your family?"

In fairness we had a good chat after I got over the shock, I dont think he was used to being asked to explain the discrepancy in diagnoses, and he was very patient

Then the poor bugger came back advising that his consultant disagreed with him so he got the third degree a second time as to why.

I'm not the best patient at all

MipMap

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Someone said to me earlier, so it must be true, that countries are broadly all coming to a peak at similar times regardless of the lockdown severity approach taken. And that social distancing alone, rather than the shutting down of all businesses, would perhaps have been sufficient had they concentrated on protecting nursing homes etc.

Thoughts?

Some people are making this case and citing Sweden as evidence of it.
Watched an interview with a Swedish Scientist on BBC and he said basically that it is far too early to come to conclusions about this.
Personally I Don't know and I am pretty sure that those who make the decisions to do these things don't really know either.

paw patrol

Snow Garden wrote: »

Are you normally this angry or is this new?

not normally. this crap is annoying.
also the new cult of Leo , Harris and Supreme Commander HSE is frustrating. Its a case of the emperors new clothes if there ever was one in Ireland.

fritzelly wrote: »

Angry is the new normal

bravo!
That made me laugh

Beasty wrote: »

Please read the OP again, and in particular the instruction to remain civil, as if you can't do so I will remove posting privileges

we used to be such friends

ShineOn7

Reddit/Gov.ie

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New Cases: 211
Total Cases: 21983
New Death: 23
Total Deaths: 1339


Breakdown of Deaths

• Deaths: 1339
• Hospitalised + died in hospital: 542 - 46%
• Died in ICU: 65 - 5%
• Underlying conditions: 1147 - 86%
• Median age: 84
• Mean age: 82

Of 370 in ICU

• Remain in ICU: 90
• Not everyone in ICU is ventilated. Under 5 new cases admitted on daily basis. No new ones yesterday

As of Sunday 3rd May

• Cases: 21659
• Hospitalised: 2879 - 13.30%
• Total In ICU: 369 - 1.70%
• Median Age of cases: 49
• Healthcare workers: 6293 - 29% - Increase of 82 from yesterday

Residential Settings (Includes nursing homes)

• Clusters: 394 - Increase of 3 since yesterday
• Total Cases: 5174 - Increase of 89 since yesterday
• Total Deaths: 819 - 61%
• Hospitalised: 370 - 7.20%
• 91% of all residents and staff have been tested for Covid 19

Nursing Homes

• Clusters: 229 - Increase of 2 since yesterday
• Total Cases: 4108 - Increase of 59 since yesterday
• Lab Confirmed Deaths:
• Hospitalised: 250

Testing

• Total number completed to date: 214,761
• Total completed last week: 61,707
• Positive results returned last week: 2,280 - approximately 3.7% positivity rate
• Current lab testing capacity: Approx. 84,000 tests per week

TESTING

• re Hitting testing targets by May 18th: De Gascun claims we're on still track to hit 105,000 tests a week by that point. Also, the positivity rate of tests across the board is currently 3.7%. (I think that's lower..? but not 100% on that).
• 214,000 people have been tested thus far. Most are getting results within 2-4 days but there are still reports of longer waits, they want to hear about these and address them. Where do these delays happen? Sometimes contact info is missing, sometimes there are logistical issues in the lab; repeat testing can occasionally be necessary, etc.
• Will we still need the German lab to hit 100,000 per week? A lot of focus on this figure - it ultimately depends on what the demand actually ends up being. But there is an ongoing capacity there should it be needed.
• More on the 100k; ideal scenario is to be able to do a large number of tests and get a small number of positives. They might not need to do 100k a week - they won't know until we ease restrictions and see what happens. The point of 100k is purely to have leftover capacity so they can be comfortable that the figures they're returning are an accurate indication of the virus' spread.

CARE HOMES

• re Care home testing sweep; 91% (527 homes) completed (not all of those results are back yet though). Expected to reach 100% in the coming days. More thorough analyses of these results to follow.
• re staff redeployment to nursing homes - 400 staff have been redeployed thus far. Decision to redeploy depends on the decision making of 23 care teams that visit and assess these homes

PINTS AND WEDDINGS

• Re the plans provided by the pubs to reopen earlier: Holohan hasn't seen these, but talks of the issues w/ physical and social distancing in environments essentially designed to encourage the opposite. Up to these individual industries to try to adjust to NPHET advice (so maybe...?)
• Weddings and similar events don't have clear guidance on rescheduling/adjusting guest numbers etc. Holohan comments that it's difficult to have an event like that be safe given their social nature and involvement of alcohol. Doesn't want to tell people bluntly to reschedule but he seemed to err more that way anyway.

MISC

• re reported "hostile interactions" between Holohan and government ministers: He has not come across any tensions whatsoever, says there's no pressure being applied to NPHET that affects their decision-making either.
• Advice on masks: Non-surgical grade masks can play a role in the community. Currently working on further guidance re their use, should be set out for the 18th. Public transport is one setting that was mentioned, where likely advice might be to wear them here.
• Leaving Cert: this is ultimately up to the Dept of Education; NPHET have set out requirements re social distancing for students and invigilators, the rest is up to them.
• Cocooning in Phase 5; allegedly different advice by NPHET vs government document - key point here is that there will always be different advice for cocooners vs the rest of the population. But this document is just a framework; malleable to change details and fine print can change.
• Are post-mortems being performed on those who die from Covid-19? Not really, there's no indication to do so in cases where the diagnosis has already been established. - reporter claimed that other countries are making "interesting discoveries on autopsy." They will talk to the pathologist to get more info.
• Our reopening strategy vs that of other countries; we will be conservative. Seeing the rate of spread they saw in March reappear could be disastrous - this is to be avoided as much as possible. They do not want to get this wrong and have to retread back through the phases.

Non solum non ambulabit

Deaths

Median age: 84
Mean age: 82

The mean is gradually moving closer to the median age. Shows less younger people are dying now as treatments improve.

bettyoleary

bettyoleary wrote: »

They are not including care homes in the figures at the same time. Care home figures were added later. They are adding on the same day though.

They gave hospital deaths in the early afternoon (was about 300 today I think) and total deaths later (both numbers are all newly identified deaths with COVID of course, not deaths in last 24 hours)

8 April is still the biggest day of deaths, and daily deaths have been declining since

Plumbthedepths

Shelle1234. wrote: »

So just to clarify. I'm morbidly obese, diabetic and have hypertension...lucky me.i suffere severe depression and admit seriously to letting myself go, locking myself in the house and trying to eat away the sadness. About 8 months ago i started to get a hold on things. I've lost four stone and although on meds for life (pre existing conditions PCOS) for diabetes, and blood pressure they are controlled. But I still have a ways to go with the old weight.....am I right in thinking that if I get this I'm seriously fecked?? (41 year old female). Also as restrictions ease am I right or wrong to think I'm going to be keeping my kids home and off school until a vaccine is in place because of the risks. I'm all for things getting back to normal but like so many I want it done sensibly. I also feel there will be an element of trial and error and people will die,but I dont want to be trial or error. I have a 13 and 7 year old and dont think I will be letting them out to play or even back to school in Sept Sept something changes. Am I a horrible parent ??

Also ivr been reading this thread from the beginning and although I dont participate often I do appreciate the modicum of sense on this site.....even the odd side of doomsdayers and negative comments are sensible. I've recently looked through a group on fb called end the lockdown ireland and omg .....there are no words for the way some people think lol.

Many thanksxxxx

Well done on the weight loss, but am I reading this correctly? You are not going to allow your children out to play or to school . I assume you mean by something changing, a vaccine?
I realise you have to mind your own health but that should not be at the expense of your children's health or mental well-being. Sorry to be blunt, but I think you need to face some reality.

marno21

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Deaths

Median age: 84
Mean age: 82

The mean is gradually moving closer to the median age. Shows less younger people are dying now as treatments improve.

Possibly less deaths in the community too and more deaths in nursing homes/community hospitals/long term residential settings.

The low volume of cases in the community today is good to see. We're at numbers now that we were getting a week before lockdown.

timsey tiger

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Deaths

Median age: 84
Mean age: 82

The mean is gradually moving closer to the median age. Shows less younger people are dying now as treatments improve.

Not necessarily, it could be for a range of reasons. Such as, relatively fewer young people being infected.

Jim_Hodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Someone said to me earlier, so it must be true, that countries are broadly all coming to a peak at similar times regardless of the lockdown severity approach taken. And that social distancing alone, rather than the shutting down of all businesses, would perhaps have been sufficient had they concentrated on protecting nursing homes etc.

Thoughts?

Sweden don't seem to be peaking. Look at their 3 day moving averages for cases and deaths. They're all over the place.

MipMap

timsey tiger wrote: »

Not necessarily, it could be for a range of reasons. Such as, relatively fewer young people being infected.

Which will happen given they have been in lockdown for 6 weeks or so.

wadacrack

marno21 wrote: »

Possibly less deaths in the community too and more deaths in nursing homes/community hospitals/long term residential settings.

The low volume of cases in the community today is good to see. We're at numbers now that we were getting a week before lockdown.

What was the number of community cases today?

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Someone said to me earlier, so it must be true, that countries are broadly all coming to a peak at similar times regardless of the lockdown severity approach taken. And that social distancing alone, rather than the shutting down of all businesses, would perhaps have been sufficient had they concentrated on protecting nursing homes etc.

Thoughts?

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

The person you talked to is an idiot.

Thanks, I'll go back to them with that, it's a well thought out rebuttal.

MipMap wrote: »

Some people are making this case and citing Sweden as evidence of it.
Watched an interview with a Swedish Scientist on BBC and he said basically that it is far too early to come to conclusions about this.
Personally I Don't know and I am pretty sure that those who make the decisions to do these things don't really know either.

Thanks. Yep, that's pretty much what was said to me. I think time might tell. I do think that social distancing is the main weapon.

Shelle1234.

MD1990 wrote: »

these can be reversed or greatly reduced with a good diet.
something like Oatmeal,Wholegrain bread/pasta or rice, then some lean proteins(chicken,fish,eggs),veg & gradually cut down your calories.

Of course it will be hard to cut the proccessed foods at first but think of the benefits


Maybe start a walking program (no risk once you are moving outside) & build from there.

all the best

This is somewhat similar to what I've been doing. I've been doing the 16/8 and intermittent fasting. Seeing great results but slow.

MipMap

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Thanks, I'll go back to them with that, it's a well thought out rebuttal.

Well said. we really need to cut out this nasty rudeness when someone expresses a view that we disagree with.

cnocbui

DOCARCH wrote: »

More deaths, but still less deaths, pro rata/per million, than Italy, Spain and Belgium.

Don't worry, at 693 deaths a day they will be worse by all measures very shortly.

Non solum non ambulabit

timsey tiger wrote: »

Not necessarily, it could be for a range of reasons. Such as, relatively fewer young people being infected.

True. But ultimately less young are dying. Govt policy needs to reflect these facts. Older people need to be protected but younger people need a break.

Cork Boy 53

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Deaths

Median age: 84
Mean age: 82

The mean is gradually moving closer to the median age. Shows less younger people are dying now as treatments improve.

What treatments are you referring to?

Non solum non ambulabit

cnocbui wrote: »

Don't worry, at 693 deaths a day they will be worse by all measures very shortly.

True. We were always told UK was 3 weeks behind Italy

Non solum non ambulabit

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

What treatments are you referring to?

Strange comment. Understanding the virus of course. Learning.
Every day doctors are learning how to treat this virus and improving.

MipMap

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Understanding the virus of course. Learning.

And this additional Understanding/Learning cannot be applied to the Elderly
only to the younger?

Non solum non ambulabit

MipMap wrote: »

And this additional Understanding/Learning cannot be applied to the Elderly
only to the younger?

I dispair sometimes. Basic misunderstanding of comorbidities.

cnocbui

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Strange comment. Understanding the virus of course. Learning.
Every day doctors are learning how to treat this virus and improving.

You should read a detailed account of what happened in Italian hospitals.

Non solum non ambulabit

cnocbui wrote: »

You should read a detailed account of what happened in Italian hospitals.

You will notice the Italians learned.

MipMap

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I dispair sometimes. Basic misunderstanding of comorbidities.

I despair sometimes when I see people trying so hard to believe what they want to believe that they see evidence everywhere that re-enforces the views they hold.

Non solum non ambulabit

MipMap wrote: »

I despair sometimes when I see people trying so hard to believe what they want to believe that they see evidence everywhere that re-enforces the views they hold.

Evidence of less deaths. Yes sir.

Just Saying

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Deaths

Median age: 84
Mean age: 82

The mean is gradually moving closer to the median age. Shows less younger people are dying now as treatments improve.

Not necessarily.The larger sample size and the more recent concentration of deaths in nursing homes will tend to bring the figures closer together.

Shelle1234.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Well done on the weight loss, but am I reading this correctly? You are not going to allow your children out to play or to school . I assume you mean by something changing, a vaccine?
I realise you have to mind your own health but that should not be at the expense of your children's health or mental well-being. Sorry to be blunt, but I think you need to face some reality.

No, I dont think you are being blunt or harsh. I asked for opinions and having read this thread from the beginning I was certain I would get a variety of answers and opinions lol. I suppose partly I dont want them out to protect myself but no, I mainly dont want them out to protect them. I'm working on the physical but my depression and anxiety can cause all sorts of worry and panic at times and I'm just worried about all of us getting it. I'm not sure where I stand on the whole school issue. I understand they need it and I'm all for education but my seven year old is a nightmare with hands to face and I'm not sure she is capable of keeping her distance in school (again not talking definitive here, just thinking out loud, so could really change my opinion over time). There have been no reported deaths in young kids I know but there have been the odd one in teenagers and having a 13 year old I just worry I suppose. Dont get me wrong I'm not one of those people who think we should sit in lockdown forever I realise things need to get m8ving again. But I know I'm not the only parent in Ireland dealing with these concerns...also, we have them out within the 2km for exercise most days and they facetime friends so so far we have done what we are being told to do. Going forward they are getting plenty of fresh air and arent cut off from others either. Thanks for the reply xxx

MipMap

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Evidence of less deaths. Yes sir.

Less deaths (according to you) primarily among the younger age group. In a society where the environment for that group has been radically changed by the lockdown.

Something that has not really affected those in care homes or the elderly cocooning.

RobertKK

On RTE news it was dropped in casually based on the confirmed case in France for last December, that we in fact could be now in the 2nd wave and all this started much earlier than previously thought.
The second wave of the Spanish flu being far more severe than the initial wave.

timsey tiger

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I dispair sometimes. Basic misunderstanding of comorbidities.

You dispair about randomers on the internet.

I think you should worry more about your faulty logical abilities, evidenced in the post that sparked the current flurry.

giveitholly

RobertKK wrote: »

On RTE news it was dropped in casually based on the confirmed case in France for last December, that we in fact could be now in the 2nd wave and all this started much earlier than previously thought.
The second wave of the Spanish flu being far more severe than the initial wave.

And was the second wave of the Spanish flu the worst wave in that pandemic?

cnocbui

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

You will notice the Italians learned.

... to ignore the WHO and treat it as an airborne contagion and to go to full sealed PPE gear to save their own lives. New ways of treating patients to lessen the death rate - not so much.

petes

giveitholly wrote: »

And was the second wave of the Spanish flu the worst wave in that pandemic?

Yes

RobertKK

giveitholly wrote: »

And was the second wave of the Spanish flu the worst wave in that pandemic?

cnocbui

giveitholly wrote: »

And was the second wave of the Spanish flu the worst wave in that pandemic?

Yes, by far.

MipMap

Shelle1234. wrote: »

No, I dont think you are being blunt or harsh. I asked for opinions and having read this thread from the beginning I was certain I would get a variety of answers and opinions lol. I suppose partly I dont want them out to protect myself but no, I mainly dont want them out to protect them. I'm working on the physical but my depression and anxiety can cause all sorts of worry and panic at times and I'm just worried about all of us getting it. I'm not sure where I stand on the whole school issue. I understand they need it and I'm all for education but my seven year old is a nightmare with hands to face and I'm not sure she is capable of keeping her distance in school (again not talking definitive here, just thinking out loud, so could really change my opinion over time). There have been no reported deaths in young kids I know but there have been the odd one in teenagers and having a 13 year old I just worry I suppose. Dont get me wrong I'm not one of those people who think we should sit in lockdown forever I realise things need to get m8ving again. But I know I'm not the only parent in Ireland dealing with these concerns...also, we have them out within the 2km for exercise most days and they facetime friends so so far we have done what we are being told to do. Going forward they are getting plenty of fresh air and arent cut off from others either. Thanks for the reply xxx

Shelle. There is and old song "One Day At A Time"
Right now the kids cannot go to schools or play with their friends because that is what the government say. You don't need to make any decisions about that at this stage.
They won't be going back to school anyway until September so that is when you need to start to worry about it.
By then I hope there will be treatments, anti-virals, God knows what which will help us make these decisions easier.

Cross that bridge when we come to it.

Best wishes to you and your family.

lalababa

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

True. We were always told UK was 3 weeks behind Italy

According to the FT there may well have been double the amount of c-19 deaths in UK. From the ONS as of April 21st there were an additional 41000 deaths (conservative estimate) above the normal.
Mostly of very old people in care homes and at home.

DevilsHaircut

Neil Ferguson taken down by the Daily Telegraph (got a visit from his married lover), on the day the UK reaches the highest death toll in Europe.

is_that_so

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Neil Ferguson taken down by the Daily Telegraph (got a visit from his married lover), on the day the UK reaches the highest death toll in Europe.

Do as I say ....!!

DevilsHaircut

is_that_so wrote: »

Do as I say ....!!

You don't think there was a political motivation?

RobertKK

This is a headline from December 6th 2019.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/06/us-flu-season-arrives-early-driven-by-an-unexpected-virus.html

ChelseaRentBoy

RobertKK wrote: »

This is a headline from December 6th 2019.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/06/us-flu-season-arrives-early-driven-by-an-unexpected-virus.html

Vomiting and the runs? Doesn't sound like it was the same virus.

Meanwhile this isn't good

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/05/the-coronavirus-mutated-and-appears-to-be-more-contagious-now-new-study-finds.html