Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

smelly sock

Julianna Gorgeous Hydrant wrote: »

I don't think so. I believe the 2km limit will be gone May 5th & some extra stores allowed to open.

Spot on. The economy cant be let collapse. We are knowingly walking into a disaster.

podgeandrodge

Julianna Gorgeous Hydrant wrote: »

I don't think so. I believe the 2km limit will be gone May 5th & some extra stores allowed to open.

2km limit probably gone, with rules about congregating in certain areas e.g. beaches/parks still in place.

And of course all pubs open:pac:

Whatever about the rest of the country I can't see how Dublin can be opened up safely. How will people get to work when public transport can only operate at about 1/8 capacity?
The question is will Leo have the courage to allow the rest of the country to open but keep Dublin closed? I don't think so.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

smelly sock wrote: »

Spot on. The economy cant be let collapse. We are knowingly walking into a disaster.

Exactly, the 2km limit seems like the perfect thing to remove which will give a lot of benefit with a small increase in risk (but we will be told to follow social distancing for a long time yet).

briany

smelly sock wrote: »

But the Chinese should be forced to pay some kind of reparations for this mess which they caused?

Did the U.S. acknowledge their role in failing to prevent the subprime mortgage crisis which led to the 2008 recession, and give reparations to the world accordingly?

smelly sock

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Whatever about the rest of the country I can't see how Dublin can be opened up safely. How will people get to work when public transport can only operate at about 1/8 capacity?
The question is will Leo have the courage to allow the rest of the country to open but keep Dublin closed? I don't think so.

People will need to drive where possible. Id suggest the gov covers all parking fees in the city centre for the multi stories. Effectively rent them for a period of time.

People to continue to worl remotely where possible also.

Its doable. It wont return to pre covid levels but it is a start.

We need to get things moving. The 5th of May was to long an extention to begin with.

Hector Savage

is_that_so wrote: »

You do know you will get outside, your kids in a week or so!

Yep !!
But it's not great
It's under 6's 12.00 - 2PM
6-16 4-6PM
Over 16s 6-8/10 PM

If you have kids of different ages, you take the eldest slot, so we have a 4 and 8 year old , we can take them out 4-6PM

Not allowed in parks tho, they don't want kids interacting, beaches are fine, but that will get interesting in a few weeks when it gets hot and beaches will get crowded, very hard to police the whole coastline...

Hector Savage

smelly sock wrote: »

But the Chinese should be forced to pay some kind of reparations for this mess which they caused?

No that would be "racist" apparently.

If this started in USA all the "liberals" would be demanding the USA pay trillions...

New Home

speckle wrote: »

Aren't the private hospitals meant to be operating under the national public scheme at moment. I would have thought centralizing all covid patients to one area/hospital a good idea for infection control. So why is their one covid patient in the bons private in cork at the moment when their are free icu beds in Cork university hospital? Anyone any ideas?

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/
see data from April 18 pdf.

The only thing I can think of is that the patient may be too ill to be moved.

ELM327

smelly sock wrote: »

But the Chinese should be forced to pay some kind of reparations for this mess which they caused?

Absolutely they should.
Their lateness to react and attempt to cover up has caused this mess.

We as a western economy should now take this as the lesson that it is, and move away from China as a source of cheap (junk) items.

Hector Savage

ELM327 wrote: »

Absolutely they should.
Their lateness to react and attempt to cover up has caused this mess.

We as a western economy should now take this as the lesson that it is, and move away from China as a source of cheap (junk) items.

Indeed, we don't even have the option anymore of buying quality electronics, unless you want to spend 1000s, tens of thousands even on Bang + Olufsen or Harbeth etc, you can't get decent sound stuff, I bought Bang+Olufsen bluetooth speaker last year and was disgusted to find it made in China ...

Here is a chance for electronics companies to move industry back to Germany, Japan, USA ... wherever ... I wouldn't mind paying a bit more , problem is the shareholders of these companies want more profit, so be tough to convince them - not to mention the consumer that wants cheap shyte.

Time for govt. to intervene with laws.

Tax the sh*t out of anything that comes from China ....

BabysCoffee

smelly sock wrote: »

So just over 2 weeks to go now.

Best of luck to anyone out of work currently. 2 weeks is a lifetime for any businness not to trade. Its going to be seriously hard to come back from this for a lot.

2 weeks to go until what?

briany

Hector Savage wrote: »

Indeed, we don't even have the option anymore of buying quality electronics, unless you want to spend 1000s, tens of thousands even on Bang + Olufsen or Harbeth etc, you can't get decent sound stuff, I bought Bang+Olufsen bluetooth speaker last year and was disgusted to find it made in China ...

Here is a chance for electronics companies to move industry back to Germany, Japan, USA ... wherever ... I wouldn't mind paying a bit more , problem is the shareholders of these companies want more profit, so be tough to convince them - not to mention the consumer that wants cheap shyte.

Time for govt. to intervene with laws.

Tax the sh*t out of anything that comes from China ....

At best, more manufacturing is just going to be moved to another cheap country.

Fiery mutant

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think we should nuke the Chinese , but putting a plaque up for them doesn't sound right either. What would it say:
"The Chinese, A Great Bunch of Lads"

lol, apologies...... should have read plague.

Hector Savage

briany wrote: »

At best, more manufacturing is just going to be moved to another cheap country.

unfortunately you are probably right.

gabeeg

Hector Savage wrote: »

Indeed, we don't even have the option anymore of buying quality electronics, unless you want to spend 1000s, tens of thousands even on Bang + Olufsen or Harbeth etc, you can't get decent sound stuff, I bought Bang+Olufsen bluetooth speaker last year and was disgusted to find it made in China ...

Here is a chance for electronics companies to move industry back to Germany, Japan, USA ... wherever ... I wouldn't mind paying a bit more , problem is the shareholders of these companies want more profit, so be tough to convince them - not to mention the consumer that wants cheap shyte.

Time for govt. to intervene with laws.

Tax the sh*t out of anything that comes from China ....

Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.

gabeeg

Hector Savage wrote: »

unfortunately you are probably right.

No, he's completely and utterly wrong.

For one thing, China is no longer cheap.

smelly sock

BabysCoffee wrote: »

2 weeks to go until what?

5th of May extention deadline.

FVP3

Hector Savage wrote: »

No that would be "racist" apparently.

If this started in USA all the "liberals" would be demanding the USA pay trillions...

During the trillion dollar bailout of the world economy nobody asked the US to cough up.

( And by the Americanised use of the word "liberals" there it's clear you are colonized by American ideology. If you ever do realise that you are not in the US, then you will also realise that most of the ideologies you hate are from the US)

FVP3

Hector Savage wrote: »

Indeed, we don't even have the option anymore of buying quality electronics, unless you want to spend 1000s, tens of thousands even on Bang + Olufsen or Harbeth etc, you can't get decent sound stuff, I bought Bang+Olufsen bluetooth speaker last year and was disgusted to find it made in China ...

Here is a chance for electronics companies to move industry back to Germany, Japan, USA ... wherever ... I wouldn't mind paying a bit more , problem is the shareholders of these companies want more profit, so be tough to convince them - not to mention the consumer that wants cheap shyte.

Time for govt. to intervene with laws.

Tax the sh*t out of anything that comes from China ....

Theres another man who doesn't really understand world economics.

Ultra globalisation is by the way, another American neo liberal ideology. There were plenty of trade barriers in the post war period, supported by socialists.

ELM327

gabeeg wrote: »

No, he's completely and utterly wrong.

For one thing, China is no longer cheap.

LOL


Stop you're hilarious.




Chinese is a by word for cheap tat in electronics. And motors parts. And "brand" names (ie fake) clothing, makeup, perfume etc. And countless other industries.


From now on I will be doing my best to avoid anything made in china. Not a "made in Ireland" kick but a "made in the civilized west or Japan" kick.

petes

ELM327 wrote: »

LOL


Stop you're hilarious.




Chinese is a by word for cheap tat in electronics. And motors parts. And "brand" names (ie fake) clothing, makeup, perfume etc. And countless other industries.


From now on I will be doing my best to avoid anything made in china. Not a "made in Ireland" kick but a "made in the civilized west or Japan" kick.

What did you use to post that?

RandomName2

I came here to say this:

If we are in lockdown, how are people still getting infected?

They have to be in contact with someone with the disease. How is this currently happening?

Yesterday cases rose by 3.3% and deaths rose by 6.8%



But I've changed my mind almost immediately


That hopefully looks like (fingers crossed) we are starting to tentatively turn a corner

FVP3

ELM327 wrote: »

LOL


Stop you're hilarious.




Chinese is a by word for cheap tat in electronics. And motors parts. And "brand" names (ie fake) clothing, makeup, perfume etc. And countless other industries.


From now on I will be doing my best to avoid anything made in china. Not a "made in Ireland" kick but a "made in the civilized west or Japan" kick.

Good man, thats the end of most smartphones, including iPhones. In fact most high end manufacturing is in fact outsourced to China. A breakdown of iPhone parts would show that. Your router has a good chance too.

Its a a pity this economic patriotism didn't happen a decade or more back as it might have worked, but it wasnt in the US interest to promote it then.

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

LOL


Stop you're hilarious.




Chinese is a by word for cheap tat in electronics. And motors parts. And "brand" names (ie fake) clothing, makeup, perfume etc. And countless other industries.


From now on I will be doing my best to avoid anything made in china. Not a "made in Ireland" kick but a "made in the civilized west or Japan" kick.

Sure fire way to solve the worlds problems - Vilify 80% plus of the worlds population as uncivilised.

is_that_so

Discodog wrote: »

I don't want to because I have done so several times but I will if it prevents confusion.

SCHEDULE 1
Regulation 3
ESSENTIAL RETAIL OUTLETS

1. Outlets selling food or beverages on a takeaway basis, or newspapers, whether on a retail or wholesale basis and whether in a non-specialised or specialised outlet.

2. Outlets selling products necessary for the essential upkeep and functioning of places of residence and businesses, whether on a retail or wholesale basis.

3. Pharmacies, chemists and retailers or wholesalers providing pharmaceuticals or pharmaceutical or dispensing services, whether on a retail or wholesale basis.

4. Outlets selling health, medical or orthopaedic goods in a specialised outlet, whether on a retail or wholesale basis.

5. Fuel service stations and heating fuel providers.

6. Outlets selling essential items for the health and welfare of animals (including animal feed and veterinary medicinal products, pet food, animal bedding and animal supplies), whether on a retail or wholesale basis.

7. Laundries and drycleaners.

8. Banks, post offices and credit unions.

9. Outlets selling safety supplies (including work-wear apparel, footwear and personal protective equipment), whether on a retail or wholesale basis.

10. Hardware outlets, builders’ merchants and outlets that provide, whether on a retail or wholesale basis - (a) hardware products necessary for home and business maintenance, (b) sanitation and farm equipment, or (c) supplies and tools essential for gardening, farming or agriculture purposes.

11. The following outlets insofar as they offer services on an emergency basis only: (a) optician and optometrist outlets; (b) outlets providing hearing test services or selling hearing aids and appliances;
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(c) outlets providing for the repair of mechanically propelled vehicles or for the repair of bicycles and any related facilities (including tyre sales and repairs); (d) outlets selling office products and services for businesses or for applicable persons working from their respective places of residence, whether on a retail or wholesale basis; (e) outlets providing electrical, information and communications technology and telephone sales, repair and maintenance services for places of residence and businesses.

As I said not illegal.

New Home

Tadhg Daly, chief executive officer with Nursing Homes Ireland (NHI), which represents 390 of Ireland’s 440 homes, said that “many of our members have lines of supply” for PPE, but that because of “the national effort” towards combating the coronavirus much of that equipment had been delivered instead to acute hospitals.

Speaking to RTE Radio, Mr Daly said that, in effect, nursing homes had been the sector of society to deal with the surge in coronavirus, not the hospitals.
“There are about 2,000 empty beds in the public hospital system. That means that nursing homes are actually dealing with the surge that we had planned for in the acute hospitals,” he said.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ceo-claims-ppe-has-been-diverted-away-from-care-homes-to-hospitals-994876.html

ELM327

petes wrote: »

What did you use to post that?

FVP3 wrote: »

Good man, thats the end of most smartphones, including iPhones.

Clearly neither of you can read the "from now on" part of my post.


Additionally//What i'm using to post is a work supplied keyboard connected to my work supplied screens, laptop and docking station. Nothing to do with me anyway.

Tenzor07

RandomName2 wrote: »

I came here to say this:
If we are in lockdown, how are people still getting infected?
They have to be in contact with someone with the disease. How is this currently happening?
Yesterday cases rose by 3.3% and deaths rose by 6.8%

The incubation period is 2 to 14 days, so someone could have no symptoms during that time.
Also it can take a week or more for someone to pass away due to complications from the virus.

What's important is the way the trends are going.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Whatever about the rest of the country I can't see how Dublin can be opened up safely. How will people get to work when public transport can only operate at about 1/8 capacity?
The question is will Leo have the courage to allow the rest of the country to open but keep Dublin closed? I don't think so.

Growth in the community is close to zero. Any that still exists unfortunately is largely in nursing homes. CMO has not even hinted at special zones.