€1 on price of a pint could be the way out for pubs

Plumbthedepths

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is not a 'moral agenda' it is a realisation for Irish people who drink to excess that is not great craic and should not be accepted as the norm.

I remember years ago when I was at the GP she asks me what I would drink during a night out three four pints says I. Thinking it was nothing. But the medical profession class over three pints as binge drinking!

What about the vast majority who do not drink to excess?
Should they be deprived of a drink to suit you?
The medical profession class three pints as binge drinking? Really can you back this up as I never heard this before. I do know what the recommended units per week is but not this pint claim

LeinsterDub

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Reading this thread had make me think of a fella who was I used to work with who 'fond of the drink'. In particular every year around the time of Cheltenham (racing) he used to disappear for the week or more. Come back looking wrecked, red faced, gaunt, and withdrawn. The same fella tried to cut back, but ended up dying at a relatively young age in his 50's. The damage was done.

I knew a fella once , hit by a car . Why am I sharing this because it's about as relevant as our attidote

gormdubhgorm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I'm not trying to justify anything . I'm saying how come other EU countries drink more than us with less apparent issues. As I've already suggested our licensing laws certainly don't help

But look who is top of three in consumption of alcohol on a weekly basis!
There is much more to the level of consumption it is how it is consumed.

LeinsterDub

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But look who is top of three in consumption of alcohol on a weekly basis!
There is much more to the level of consumption it is how it is consumed.

Look who's top overall!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita

Poland , Lativia, Lithuania drink more than us, so if you combine the 2 pieces of data it suggests they are going on massive benders


So a summary of your postion . Drinking with lunch and dinner every day is grand , massive binges are grand , 4 or 5 pints with the lads on a Saturday is terrible!

gormdubhgorm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I knew a fella once , hit by a car . Why am I sharing this because it's about as relevant as our attidote

I am just telling ya from the reality of life. And your attitude is that drink is grand Ireland's relationship with drink is grand. It is just the licencing laws that are the problem.

The truth is Ireland's relationship with drink is not alright. How many times has a person on a night out who does not want to drink on the night. Is told to have 'the one'.
Even if you are driving 'ah the one won't do any harm'. The only way a fella can avoid being told 'have the one' is to say they are on tablets. A woman is assumed that she is pregnant when not drinking.

gormdubhgorm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Look who's top overall!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita

Poland , Lativia, Lithuania drink more than us, so if you combine the 2 pieces of data it suggests they are going on massive benders


So a summary of your postion . Drinking with lunch and dinner every day is grand , massive binges are grand , 4 or 5 pints with the lads on a Saturday is terrible!

No it doesn't. Your hopeful attitude seems to be look at them they are worse, we are grand. We are like ****.

LeinsterDub

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

No it doesn't. Your hopeful attitude seems to be look at them they are worse, we are grand. We are like ****.

You said we should be more like the European , who had a better attidute to drink . Until the facts didn't suit your agenda

gormdubhgorm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Look who's top overall!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita

Poland , Lativia, Lithuania drink more than us, so if you combine the 2 pieces of data it suggests they are going on massive benders


So a summary of your postion . Drinking with lunch and dinner every day is grand , massive binges are grand , 4 or 5 pints with the lads on a Saturday is terrible!

Rubbish, you are desperately at this stage trying to put words in my mouth.

Binge drinking is not good. Ireland is top of the tree for weekly binge drinking.
How many Irish people stop at ' four or five pints' with the lads during a week or at a weekend? You seem to bring up a hypothetical when it suits you but when I brought up a real life story you brushed it off.

That type of debating would drive a fella to drink! :rolleyes:

LeinsterDub

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am just telling ya from the reality of life. And your attitude is that drink is grand Ireland's relationship with drink is grand. It is just the licencing laws that are the problem.

The truth is Ireland's relationship with drink is not alright. How many times has a person on a night out who does not want to drink on the night. Is told to have 'the one'.
Even if you are driving ah the one won't do any harm. The only way a fella can avoid being told 'have the one' is to say they are on tablets. A woman is assumed that she is pregnant when not drinking.

I've been told sure you'll have a cup , I've been told to have that last slice there.

Do we have a problem relationship with tea and cakes too?

Keyzer

"Mr Ahearne was the adviser to the late finance minister Brian Lenihan when he joined the Department of Finance in 2009, as the State was hurtling towards the bailout from the troika."A

That went well didn't it...

LeinsterDub

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Rubbish, you are desperately at this stage trying to put words in my mouth.

Binge drinking is not good. Ireland is top of the tree for weekly binge drinking.
How many Irish people stop at ' four or five pints' with the lads during a week or at a weekend? You seem to bring up a hypothetical when it suits you but when I brought up a real life story you brushed it off.

That type of debating would drive a fella to drink! :rolleyes:

Becuase your real life story is just an attidote it's not fact or data. Ireland maybe in top of the tree basic on a number picked out of the sky in the 80's for weekly binges but many would argue that is relativly more healthly than a monthly vodka binge or drinking every single day as you pointed to in Europe.

I only highlighted how they drink

gormdubhgorm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

You said we should be more like the European , who had a better attidute to drink . Until the facts didn't suit your agenda

It is a cultural mindset others can drink sensibly - like France a glass of wine with a meal. You seem to want to roar from the roof tops Ireland is grand we are grand it is normal. Are behavior is normal leave us be, Don't draw attention to it. Pretend others are worse off.

Ignore the broken homes, A and E, etc etc etc. Just let people have thier night out without commenting on it...

gormdubhgorm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Becuase your real life story is just an attidote it's not fact or data. Ireland maybe in top of the tree basic on a number picked out of the sky in the 80's for weekly binges but many would argue that is relativly more healthly than a monthly vodka binge or drinking every single day as you pointed to in Europe.

I only highlighted how they drink

So your four or five pints with the lads is fact is? If you want to play that game at least be consistent.

Colloquially what does four or five pints with the lads mean? It does not mean four or five that is for fecking sure.

You are in denial of how messed up Ireland's drink culture is.

Plumbthedepths

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

So your four or five pints with the lads is fact is? If you want to play that game at least be consistent.

Colloquially what does four or five pints with the lads mean? It does not mean four or five that is for fecking sure.

You are in denial of how messed up Ireland's drink culture is.

Do you still have a drink yourself?

LeinsterDub

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is a cultural mindset others can drink sensibly - like France a glass of wine with a meal. You seem to want to roar from the roof tops Ireland is grand we are grand it is normal. Are behavior is normal leave us be, Don't draw attention to it. Pretend others are worse off.

Ignore the broken homes, A and E, etc etc etc. Just let people have thier night out without commenting on it...

The French have more than 1 glass of wine . There consumption stats indicate as much.

A lot of the issues with excessive drinking are caused by setting unrealistically early closing times on people and forcing everyone out into the streets at the same time

gormdubhgorm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I've been told sure you'll have a cup , I've been told to have that last slice there.

Do we have a problem relationship with tea and cakes too?

Now you are just being silly I believe this type of argument is called moving the goalposts.

It sounds very similar to Danny Healy Rae's argument that a heavy meal could impair him just as much as some drink would when driving. As a heavy meal would make him sleepy.

gormdubhgorm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

The French have more than 1 glass of wine . There consumption stats indicate as much.

A lot of the issues with excessive drinking are caused by setting unrealistically early closing times on people and forcing everyone out into the streets at the same time

Come on you know as well as I do the consumption stats do not break down the ages. People who have grown up past the 18 - 25 mark in most other countries are far more sensible about drink than Ireland is.

Excessive drinking caused by early closing times?
You sound like you work for the vintners association.

So you are saying Irish people are too stupid to moderate thier drinking on a night out, and fighting only occurs because the closing times are not staggered.

The truth is Irish culture is 'drink to excess' and doing do will always likely lead to confrontation, misery and the ruining of a 'great night'.

Homelander

The problem in Ireland is the heavy binge drinking once a week as opposed to the European cultural norm of a regular few bottles, which is far healthier. Having two pints every night is better on your system then binging 14 pints once a week.

Really, you can't just compare per capita consumption. Obviously binge drinking happens in every country, but it's the societal norm in Ireland and the UK.

Feisar

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I feel not closing off licenses was a real missed opportunity to lance the boil of alcoholism in Ireland.

Yes, some would have gone mad but still would have been worth it imo.

I'm not bothered either way on the pubs. Personally, I find everywhere much more pleasant at the moment, without drunks all over the place.

Where is "everywhere", you are supposed to be staying at home.

the dark phantom

The issue isn't the amount of drink but attitude, if you take ten Irishmen, Ten Englishmen, Ten Germans, Ten French and have them drink the same quantities of drink, the chances are it'll be ourselves and our neighbours that will start acting the bollox. Its just in our nature, violence and aggressive are far more acceptable here than in most of western Europe.

LeinsterDub

the dark phantom wrote: »

The issue isn't the amount of drink but attitude, if you take ten Irishmen, Ten Englishmen, Ten Germans, Ten French and have them drink the same quantities of drink, the chances are it'll be ourselves and our neighbours that will start acting the bollox. Its just in our nature, violence and aggressive are far more acceptable here than in most of western Europe.

Edgware

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is a cultural mindset others can drink sensibly - like France a glass of wine with a meal. You seem to want to roar from the roof tops Ireland is grand we are grand it is normal. Are behavior is normal leave us be, Don't draw attention to it. Pretend others are worse off.

Ignore the broken homes, A and E, etc etc etc. Just let people have thier night out without commenting on it...

Ah the French. The glass of wine with the meal line is always wheeled out. When did you last buy a glass of wine with a meal, 7.50 to 8 euro for a half glass. But then they're great lads to spend spare time with and theydont have any domestic violence, great lads the French

statesaver

Who is this Niamh on Newstalk now saying it's a great idea.

Nuts.

Reputable Rog

statesaver wrote: »

Who is this Niamh on Newstalk now saying it's a great idea.

Nuts.

Niamh Horan, saying people would happily pay an extra euro or 2 for the better wine you get in a pub.
I can a bottle of excellent wine for one or two euro more than the price I already pay in a pub for a glass of piss.

VFI rep on the show says it’s a non runner, it would finish off the pubs.

Edgware

statesaver wrote: »

Who is this Niamh on Newstalk now saying it's a great idea.

Nuts.

Another beaut from the Indo stable like Gemma.

ceadaoin.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I feel not closing off licenses was a real missed opportunity to lance the boil of alcoholism in Ireland.

Yes, some would have gone mad but still would have been worth it imo.

I'm not bothered either way on the pubs. Personally, I find everywhere much more pleasant at the moment, without drunks all over the place.

Some would have died, or been admitted to hospital because of withdrawals? Still worth it?

I don't get this notion that because there is a pandemic happening, any ounce of comfort or fun must be denied to people. We must all sit inside with our blinds drawn, not even venturing into our own gardens and be as miserable as humanly possible.

Bonus points if the pandemic can be used to get rid of other things you don't agree with, such as betting shops.

Some people are really loving all this and the doom and gloom of it all.

Coillte_Bhoy

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am just telling ya from the reality of life. And your attitude is that drink is grand Ireland's relationship with drink is grand. It is just the licencing laws that are the problem.

The truth is Ireland's relationship with drink is not alright. How many times has a person on a night out who does not want to drink on the night. Is told to have 'the one'.
Even if you are driving 'ah the one won't do any harm'. The only way a fella can avoid being told 'have the one' is to say they are on tablets. A woman is assumed that she is pregnant when not drinking.

Utter nonsense, those attitudes may have been prevalent once but not for years. Ive worked in pubs all my until a few years ago and go 3/4 times a week now for a couple (well i did). Its donkeys years since i heard any of the anecdotal bs comments you are spouting.
And for someone who doesnt frequent pubs you sure know a lot about the pressures people are under in them :rolleyes:

Coillte_Bhoy

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Come on you know as well as I do the consumption stats do not break down the ages. People who have grown up past the 18 - 25 mark in most other countries are far more sensible about drink than Ireland is.

Excessive drinking caused by early closing times?
You sound like you work for the vintners association.

So you are saying Irish people are too stupid to moderate thier drinking on a night out, and fighting only occurs because the closing times are not staggered.

The truth is Irish culture is 'drink to excess' and doing do will always likely lead to confrontation, misery and the ruining of a 'great night'.

Re closing time, ive been on loads of trip to various European cities following Ireland and these trip are pretty big piss ups but the fact that you can get a drink handy enough up to 4 or 5am makes a huge difference, you dont get the mad panic buying you see in Ireland coming up to closing time, stocking up on shorts etc, and lads gradually begin to drift off to their hotels as the night wears on. There is no sudden exodus onto the streets at the same time

kowloon

_Brian wrote: »

Hospitals would have been overrun with cases of the DT’s, it would make covid look like a bobo on a kids finger.

And overrun with cases of people trying to drink the hand sanitiser.

mosii

Im surprised at a statement like this,its nonsense .Who is going to pay an extra tenner for a meal.Dan o Brian came out with a beaut as well 2 weeks ago,he said people should start spending now.Especially the elderly,i lost all respect for him after such a stupid statement.People will not spend until confidence come back.

Pubs are in trouble even if they are able to open this year, which you'd have to think may be doubtful.

People will be wary gathering in busy pubs if a virus is still in the community.

drunkmonkey

I think we're going to have to raise the bar on what it means to be an alcoholic shortly.

Experience_day

The puritans are back in town!

CosmicFool

Ugh. I'm sick of people saying the Irish have a problem with drink. Do we? Probably. Do other counties? Most definatley. We all live in such a mundane lifestyle we do mostly the same ****e day in day out. Do people handle drink worse than others and make life miserable for other? Of course they do. Everyone's different.
People drink because it makes them feel bloody good for a few hours. It takes them away from their ridiculously ****ty insignificant life. Who gives a flying feck if someone drinks.

shaveAbullock

CosmicFool wrote: »

People drink because it makes them feel bloody good for a few hours. It takes them away from their ridiculously ****ty insignificant life. Who gives a flying feck if someone drinks.

That's actually a good argument for the legalisation of all drugs.

CosmicFool

shaveAbullock wrote: »

That's actually a good argument for the legalisation of all drugs.

True but alcohol has a more social significance than any other drug.

shaveAbullock

CosmicFool wrote: »

True but alcohol has a more social significance than any other drug.

That could be changed.

CosmicFool

shaveAbullock wrote: »

That could be changed.

But it won't

s1ippy

shaveAbullock wrote: »

That could be changed.

It really should be changed. Some people I know could do with taking some Mandy or smoking a blunt. Or especially mushrooms. Like at the moment.

shaveAbullock

s1ippy wrote: »

It really should be changed. Some people I know could do with taking some Mandy or smoking a blunt. Or especially mushrooms. Like at the moment.

I think it would be advisable to wait for some kind of test to a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia before advising anyone to use the two drugs I have highlighted in bold.

snoopboggybog

shaveAbullock wrote: »

I think it would be advisable to wait for some kind of test to a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia before advising anyone to use the two drugs I have highlighted in bold.

Maybe some test for alcoholism as well? Weed is doing no harm in the states or Amsterdam.

BillyBiggs

KungPao wrote: »

I’d say pub owners must be sick. Just getting back to the jammed pubs on a Thursday, Friday, Saturday we last saw in 2008 (in Dublin CC anyway) where 20 and 30 somethings thought nothing of paying €9 for a G&T. Then another and another.

Money rolling in, the good times are back baby, then bang! Closed and probably out of business for good.

Don’t at all feel sorry for the major pubs in the main cities. They have been coining it for years, with little regard for their customers, they were all about the profit. The owners of Copper Face Jacks were really taking the piss when they put their nightclub up for sale for an extortionate price (which they never got). I do feel sorry for owners of smaller bars, with their regular customer, who were making a much more humble living from the trade.

YFlyer

the dark phantom wrote: »

The issue isn't the amount of drink but attitude, if you take ten Irishmen, Ten Englishmen, Ten Germans, Ten French and have them drink the same quantities of drink, the chances are it'll be ourselves and our neighbours that will start acting the bollox. Its just in our nature, violence and aggressive are far more acceptable here than in most of western Europe.

Would the French be able to keep up?

Feisar

s1ippy wrote: »

It really should be changed. Some people I know could do with taking some Mandy or smoking a blunt. Or especially mushrooms. Like at the moment.

Mushrooms are hard work, took them in Amsterdam once.

tdf7187

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Alan Aherne was one of the discenting voice about the boom from 2006-2008.

If he only figured out it was a bubble in 2006 he cant be the smartest tool in the box. Property market was essentially in deep freeze from summer 2016.