If there was an election tomorrow, how would you vote?

McMurphy

Coveney estimating mid June before a stable govt can be found - nevermind the health pandemic where a National government of unity should be operating as equals, and never mind that both his party (with the 3rd highest numbers of seats in the dail) and the party FG have pretended to oppose for 100 years are conspiring to keep the party who won the popular vote from power.

I'll prob vote the same way next time and vote socdems Sinn Fein and few others making sure to leave any preference for any FF or FG candidates blank... Again.

Wanderer78

Cobalt17 wrote:

Have you been wooed by the flu shirts, or would you stick by your guns?

More or less stick to my guns, left all the way

lawred2

If FG could sort out their ticket in Fingal, I'd vote for them. But I will not vote for James Reilly or Alan Farrell.

McMurphy

lawred2 wrote: »

If FG could sort out their ticket in Fingal, I'd vote for them. But I will not vote for James Reilly or Alan Farrell.

Is James Reilly still a thing for fg?

Surely to God the electorate have rejected him now enough times they have taken the hint at this stage?

GingerLily

Yurt! wrote: »

^^^^^
People should probably start listening up to what this demographic is saying: mid-20s often stretching to late-30s. Bust their ass before, during and after the financial crisis

Mid 20s now busted their ass through the crisis? Explain this

Field east

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Those are realistic, but for three months.

How many rental properties do you think would still be around after a few years with no rent increases - who is going to buy and provide rental accommodation?

Good luck trying to get lots of people back to many jobs if they're going to get paid 350 a week forever.

Single-payer health system. Now that's an interesting one; There are hundreds of unhappy private doctors and consultants who have been told to work under the HSE single system. We will get away with that for now, how long do you think that will last?

Even with the much-vaunted NHS, there is a thriving private practice in the UK. Harley Street isn't the HQ of the NHS.

Re the ‘ 350€ a week forever’ . Is it not the case that a worker needs circa 25’000 a year plus to have any kind of a reasonable life. So how come that €350 a week (€18,000 /year) suddenly is now enough and if the gov gives it to you for no return than why go back to work to earn more

screamer

Yurt! wrote: »

^^^^^
People should probably start listening up to what this demographic is saying: mid-20s often stretching to late-30s. Bust their ass before, during and after the financial crisis only to be equated to Margret Cash for questioning why in a booming economy they are dealing with runaway rents and house-prices, can't afford to start a family and are actively mocked by the 'I'm alright Jack' and 'that's just the way it is' cohort. They grow in number by the year but some people can only talk about Venezuela.

The next phase of their career / lives will be marked by the covid-19 downturn. A good lot of these people will have dealt with two of the worst economic crises since the Great Depression in what should be the prime of their working lives and at a time when social mobility should be at its greatest.

Political parties should p*ss down the leg of this demographic at their peril (as FG did and found out to their cost).

But yeah, Margret Cash is where this is all at.

Ah please, every generation has hardship. Look at the one before them saddled with huge debt for houses that they struggled and still struggle to pay for, along with childcare etc. lots of them left and will never return. No one helped that generation either. Go back to the 80s with mortgage interest rates in double digits, people borrowing relatively little and crucified with interest payments and people emigrating in their thousands. Every generation is put upon in some way. Ireland has never been an easy place to live if you’re paying your own way, and with the amount of recipients increasing and contributors decreasing, it ain’t gonna change no matter who is in charge. Unless that system is overhauled, and there’s only one way the lefties will haul it, with more hands in your pocket.

Yurt2

GingerLily wrote: »

Mid 20s now busted their ass through the crisis? Explain this

If you are 25,26,27 and entered the labour force at 17 or 18 you were in it. The recession continued into late-2013 and many won't remember the following couple of years fondly either - young persons unemployment was not a pretty picture.

You may also note I posted 'after' as well. Which they certainly did.

Yurt2

screamer wrote: »

Ah please, every generation has hardship. Look at the one before them saddled with huge debt for houses that they struggled and still struggle to pay for, along with childcare etc. lots of them left and will never return. No one helped that generation either. Go back to the 80s with mortgage interest rates in double digits, people borrowing relatively little and crucified with interest payments and people emigrating in their thousands. Every generation is put upon in some way. Ireland has never been an easy place to live if you’re paying your own way, and with the amount of recipients increasing and contributors decreasing, it ain’t gonna change no matter who is in charge. Unless that system is overhauled, and there’s only one way the lefties will haul it, with more hands in your pocket.

Exhibit A ladies and gents.

Wanderer78

screamer wrote:

Ah please, every generation has hardship. Look at the one before them saddled with huge debt for houses that they struggled and still struggle to pay for, along with childcare etc. lots of them left and will never return. No one helped that generation either. Go back to the 80s with mortgage interest rates in double digits, people borrowing relatively little and crucified with interest payments and people emigrating in their thousands. Every generation is put upon in some way. Ireland has never been an easy place to live if you’re paying your own way, and with the amount of recipients increasing and contributors decreasing, it ain’t gonna change no matter who is in charge. Unless that system is overhauled, and there’s only one way the lefties will haul it, with more hands in your pocket.

The economies of each generation can be vastly different, and simply cannot be compared, yes each generation has its difficulties, but there's something fundamentally failing for the current younger generations, they've had enough, and are voting differently. There's something radically going wrong with housing and accommodation markets, policies that have been in place for many years, that have been encouraging things such as continual asset price inflation, are now failing these younger voters, they're slowly relishing this, and are voting accordingly. Established parties such as ffg should probably watch out, because these voters are pissed, and rightfully so

LeinsterDub

OttoPilot wrote: »

Professional in mid 20s. Voted SD last two elections but will switch to SF next time. Not happy with housing or healthcare

SD policy hasn't changed since February how can you now be unhappy with it?

LeinsterDub

Field east wrote: »

Re the ‘ 350€ a week forever’ . Is it not the case that a worker needs circa 25’000 a year plus to have any kind of a reasonable life. So how come that €350 a week (€18,000 /year) suddenly is now enough and if the gov gives it to you for no return than why go back to work to earn more

Give it as a UBI and save a fortune on civil servants who administer social protection payments

aido79

RandomViewer wrote: »

If we have another election my only suggestion is that none of the current TD s should be allowed run. Clean sweep, New blood ,

So you think 160 brand new, inexperienced people in charge of legislation and decision making in the country is the answer? Please explain a bit more on how you think that would pan out.

This is it

FG

Eric Cartman

Yurt! wrote: »

^^^^^
People should probably start listening up to what this demographic is saying: mid-20s often stretching to late-30s. Bust their ass before, during and after the financial crisis only to be equated to Margret Cash for questioning why in a booming economy they are dealing with runaway rents and house-prices, can't afford to start a family and are actively mocked by the 'I'm alright Jack' and 'that's just the way it is' cohort. They grow in number by the year but some people can only talk about Venezuela.

The next phase of their career / lives will be marked by the covid-19 downturn. A good lot of these people will have dealt with two of the worst economic crises since the Great Depression in what should be the prime of their working lives and at a time when social mobility should be at its greatest.

Political parties should p*ss down the leg of this demographic at their peril (as FG did and found out to their cost).

But yeah, Margret Cash is where this is all at.

The problem is, if they listened is the ones who work and bust their ass would like to pay less in tax and have an ever growing resentment to the 'gimme gimme gimme' class that sadly FF invented with vote getter giveaway budgets under mcreevy and Ahern which sadly FG have tried to keep the momentum going under Kenny and varadkar.

There is no party in Ireland represents professionals 21-40 , we don't want renua with the religious dogma attached, but we don't want SF, SD who still pander to the perpetually unemployed either.

A party with no religious strings with a socially liberal and economically conservative mindset would clean up. Nobody gives a crap about funding quangos, building houses in Dublin for those pretending to be 'homeless' etc.. Its 'whens our turn to reap the rewards here' , cut taxes, cut spending, cut regulation with regards planning and house requirements. Let there be skyscrapers in Dublin and one off's in Kildare and let us be able to afford them.

joe swanson

Can’t wait for SF to give me my free gaff.

ELM327

1 FG + 2 FF
No votes for anyone else. Same as before.

This is it

aido79 wrote: »

So you think 160 brand new, inexperienced people in charge of legislation and decision making in the country is the answer? Please explain a bit more on how you think that would pan out.

There was very little thinking behind that I'd imagine.

James Brown

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The problem is, if they listened is the ones who work and bust their ass would like to pay less in tax and have an ever growing resentment to the 'gimme gimme gimme' class that sadly FF invented with vote getter giveaway budgets under mcreevy and Ahern which sadly FG have tried to keep the momentum going under Kenny and varadkar.

There is no party in Ireland represents professionals 21-40 , we don't want renua with the religious dogma attached, but we don't want SF, SD who still pander to the perpetually unemployed either.

A party with no religious strings with a socially liberal and economically conservative mindset would clean up. Nobody gives a crap about funding quangos, building houses in Dublin for those pretending to be 'homeless' etc.. Its 'whens our turn to reap the rewards here' , cut taxes, cut spending, cut regulation with regards planning and house requirements. Let there be skyscrapers in Dublin and one off's in Kildare and let us be able to afford them.

How do you justify this statement? Where do these perpetually unemployed come from, bused in from abroad after and SD/SF folk get in? How many are there, do you have stats?
Every discussion you chime in with the same anecdotal blarney.

How do you feel about 'them that don't like to pay taxes' but get awarded state contracts, many of whom will be getting tax payer monies to pay their tax paying staff so they can maintain profits, is that okay?

The point stands. FG blame the sick for pretending and blocking A and E and hospital beds. The homeless for pretending to be homeless. The housing crisis for being a few shams looking for a foreva home and I love it, because the people are tiring of it. Would love more if FG changed tack and were decent to the Irish public.

McMurphy

joe swanson wrote: »

Can’t wait for SF to give me my free gaff.

You can get one just as easily from FFG now Joseph, 60k promised over the next 5 years - same as the shinners.

"But, but, but, but", incoming, yeah?

Experience_day

I'm leaving this country if they fûck me any more on taxes etc

Came out of university absolutely boned with a shît economy. Scripted and saved for ages to buy a house and put the effort in. Now facing a second possible depression which will scupper me developing further.

Now sat working long ass days after an election being given to a bunch of socialist cûnts promising gimmedats and now seeing social welfare going mental fluttering cash with a hole appearing in finances.

DellyBelly

I would have voted for the bigger parties over the last few elections but actually voted SF this time around as I thought we needed a change. However Ihave been really impressed with Leo nd especially Simon Harris over the last few weeks so I think I would give it to FG if an election was held now

Geuze

Bowie wrote: »

How do you justify this statement? Where do these perpetually unemployed come from, bused in from abroad after and SD/SF folk get in? How many are there, do you have stats?
Every discussion you chime in with the same anecdotal blarney.

The high rates of joblessness in Ireland have been widely published.

We lead the EU in the number of very low work intensity people.

All well known, and published.

Geuze

Bowie wrote: »

How do you justify this statement? Where do these perpetually unemployed come from, bused in from abroad after and SD/SF folk get in? How many are there, do you have stats?
Every discussion you chime in with the same anecdotal blarney.

See:

http://www.publicpolicyarchive.ie/characteristics-of-households-with-very-little-wor/

Geuze

Experience_day wrote: »

I'm leaving this country if they fûck me any more on taxes etc

Overall taxes are not high in Ireland.

Many earners pay zero income tax.

Many earners pay very little income tax.

But the top MTR kicks in very early, at 35k approx.

Our income tax system is very progressive, one of the most progressive in the world.

Taxes on low earners are very low.

Taxes on high earners are much closer to levels across the EU.

Overall, our direct income taxes are below typical EU rates, mainly due to very low PRSI, at 4%, versus e.g. 20% in DE.



One anecdote:

my parents pay less than 10% direct tax on approx 50k, and get:

two medical card
two FTP
free TV licence
35 pm / 420 pa off electricity

Experience_day

Geuze wrote: »

Overall taxes are not high in Ireland.

Many earners pay zero income tax.

Many earners pay very little income tax.

But the top MTR kicks in very early, at 35k approx.

Our income tax system is very progressive, one of the most progressive in the world.

Taxes on low earners are very low.

Taxes on high earners are much closer to levels across the EU.

Overall, our direct income taxes are below typical EU rates, mainly due to very low PRSI, at 4%, versus e.g. 20% in DE.



One anecdote:

my parents pay less than 10% direct tax on approx 50k, and get:

two medical card
two FTP
free TV licence
35 pm / 420 pa off electricity

Lucky them. I certainly don't...

But don't forget insane levels of tax on everything else. Older car? Taxed to the hilt. Petrol duty, VAT etc

Out of curiosity whats the direct tax on single salary in the 60_80k range?

James Brown

Geuze wrote: »

The high rates of joblessness in Ireland have been widely published.

We lead the EU in the number of very low work intensity people.

All well known, and published.

Stats for people who wish to remain perpetually unemployed please.
Stats for homeless people only pretending to be homeless please.
Policies from any party promising to look after the perpetually unemployed by choice please.

“96.2% of all statistics are made up”
– Vic Reeves

EDIT:

Geuze wrote: »

See:

http://www.publicpolicyarchive.ie/characteristics-of-households-with-very-little-wor/

The claim was people pretending to be homeless and unemployed people choosing to be perpetually unemployed. Numbers on either and any manifesto notes from any party citing support for this, as also claimed?

Jaded anecdotal devices used to dismiss any person or party looking for improvements.

Eric Cartman

Bowie wrote: »

Stats for people who wish to remain perpetually unemployed please.
Stats for homeless people only pretending to be homeless please.
Policies from any party promising to look after the perpetually unemployed by choice please.

62% of social housing applicants derive income from only social welfare
there are 43,000 people in the workforce who have never paid a PRSI contribution in the state
The state benefits forum on here is full of threads about people begrudging having to fill out personal action plans etc.. and go to meetings to keep their dole.

Like it or not there are a huge amount of people in Ireland who have 0 interest in ever being gainfully employed.

RandomViewer

Experience_day wrote: »

I'm leaving this country if they fûck me any more on taxes etc

Came out of university absolutely boned with a shît economy. Scripted and saved for ages to buy a house and put the effort in. Now facing a second possible depression which will scupper me developing further.

Now sat working long ass days after an election being given to a bunch of socialist cûnts promising gimmedats and now seeing social welfare going mental fluttering cash with a hole appearing in finances.

Did you need to buy a house?

Experience_day

RandomViewer wrote: »

Did you need to buy a house?

You're right should have just have settle for mediocrity and either paid someone else's mortgage. Oh wait even better should have just have gone on the dole.

What exactly was was wrong with going for a house? I bought in a cheap area of dublin according to my means..