Relaxation of restrictions Part II

nj27

I'd be conscious of the fact that he has to maintain a message vigilance during lockdown, and that people may perceive him saying that some restrictions would be lifted on May 5th based on today's stats to mean the battle is all but won, which could result in a relaxation in general adherence to the measures. I hate the vibe of being treated like a child who has to be scared into compliance, but the reality is a large portion of the population act like that so if the shoe fits...

Galwayguy35

People will start to lose patience if there is not some easing of restrictions on May 5th, telling us to "stay the course" will only work for so long.

snowcat

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's why people need to use their cop on and maintain there discipline for the next couple of weeks.

We get out of the nightmare sooner if people hold their nerve for another couple of weeks when, hopefully, some easing happens.

No we are not. It has been confirmed that if we relax at any stage the nightmare gets worse. And there is no cure or vaccine so why are we doing this?

KrustyUCC

The vast vast majority are still doing as their told

There's only so much we can be told that we're doing so so we'll, flattening the curve, but not well enough

Here's another 2,4,6 weeks of the same and maybe we might do a small opening

But you can't travel, see family, friends, those in relationships

Where's the reward for the effort?

That will also put people off

Sure what's the point?

Irish Aris

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's why people need to use their cop on and maintain there discipline for the next couple of weeks.

We get out of the nightmare sooner if people hold their nerve for another couple of weeks when, hopefully, some easing happens.

I will admit that I will be very disappointed if there is no easing at all after the bank holiday weekend. I have been adhering to the restrictions and starting missing meeting with my friends. Video calls are ok but can only get you that far. . . fingers crossed. . .

RugbyLad11

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

People will start to lose patience if there is not some easing of restrictions on May 5th, telling us to "stay the course" will only work for so long.

Exactly! there is only so long people can go without see friends and family

snowcat

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The vast vast majority are still doing as their told

There's only so much we can be told that we're doing so so we'll, flattening the curve, but not well enough

Here's another 2,4,6 weeks of the same and maybe we might do a small opening

But you can't travel, see family, friends, those in relationships

Where's the reward for the effort?

That will also put people off

Sure what's the point?

Yes my elderly parents have said there is not much point in living if they can not live.

KrustyUCC

snowcat wrote: »

Yes my elderly parents have said there is not much point in living if they can not live.

That's a difficult one alright

snowcat

snowcat wrote: »

Yes my elderly parents have said there is not much point in living if they can not live.

Was walking the dog today. Was disturbed passing an old couple going for a walk and being openly chastised by a neighbour for going out.

Galwayguy35

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Exactly! there is only so long people can go without see friends and family

Yeah we were told May 5th and now Varadkar and Holohan basically said not to expect anything to happen at all on that date.

There is going to be pushback and it will happen soon.

road_high

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

People will start to lose patience if there is not some easing of restrictions on May 5th, telling us to "stay the course" will only work for so long.

Agreed. I think most people are sick and tired of these endless cliches. Life must begin to return to normal ASAP. Else there’ll be nothing left to return to

Kermit.de.frog

GazzaL wrote: »

If the incubation period is up to 14 days, which is what we've been told, and we've been in lockdown for more than 14 days, and R0 is already where it needs to be

This point makes no sense. The incubation period of the disease has no bearing at all on the lock down measures (it's not actually a "lock down" - bit of an over dramatisation)

you can't expect people to sit on their hands for weeks and weeks beyond that timeframe

Why not? You're not being asked to go to war, you are being asked to watch television.

FintanMcluskey

road_high wrote: »

Agreed. I think most people are sick and tired of these endless cliches. Life must begin to return to normal ASAP. Else there’ll be nothing left to return to

We can put our shoulder to the wheel and remove the stone of lockdown come May5th.

Kermit.de.frog

Irish Aris wrote: »

I will admit that I will be very disappointed if there is no easing at all after the bank holiday weekend. I have been adhering to the restrictions and starting missing meeting with my friends. Video calls are ok but can only get you that far. . . fingers crossed. . .

Be like Irish Aris :cool:

road_high

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah we were told May 5th and now Varadkar and Holohan basically said not to expect anything to happen at all on that date.

There is going to be pushback and it will happen soon.

I heard Holohan this eve pouring cold water on things. Same guy who opposed nursing home restrictions earlier on.
Did Varadkar come out with the same?

RugbyLad11

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah we were told May 5th and now Varadkar and Holohan basically said not to expect anything to happen at all on that date.

There is going to be pushback and it will happen soon.

They have to at least remove some restrictions, such as the 2km limit.

The 2km limit is an absolute joke and mean couple living separate cannot see each other etc

Cork Boy 53

doylefe wrote: »

Can't wait for that creamy pint on the 5th.

Why is that? Are you setting up a shebeen in your back garden or something? Because you certainly won`t be getting one in any pub anywhere on the 5th May or any other time in the foreseeable future. Not legally anyway.

FintanMcluskey

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This point makes no sense. The incubation period of the disease has no bearing at all on the lock down measures (it's not actually a "lock down" - bit of an over dramatisation)




Why not? You're not being asked to go to war, you are being asked to watch television.

Lots of men and women would have no issue in a war. Its basic fight or flight. We have chosen flight. Some are not predestined to do that, its not natural for some.

road_high

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We can put our shoulder to the wheel and remove the stone of lockdown come May5th.

That’s if the control freaks “allow us”. And they have plenty of support for continuing this bankrupting insanity

FintanMcluskey

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Why is that? Are you setting up a shebeen in your back garden or something? Because you certainly won`t be getting one in any pub anywhere on the 5th May or any other time in the foreseeable future. Not legally anyway.

Double check the legality part

road_high

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Why is that? Are you setting up a shebeen in your back garden or something? Because you certainly won`t be getting one in any pub anywhere on the 5th May or any other time in the foreseeable future. Not legally anyway.

You sound more than thrilled at the prospect too. What a sad person

Mic 1972

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah we were told May 5th and now Varadkar and Holohan basically said not to expect anything to happen at all on that date.

There is going to be pushback and it will happen soon.

If people had followed the restrictions instead of taking the piss probably we would have had a chance, now we are heading for a peak instead of a decrease

Gregor Samsa

snowcat wrote: »

If there is not a big change in May a hell of a lot more lives will be lost due to suicide depression etc. Me included because my business will be gone. I am conscious my employees will be in the same situation as me.

snowcat wrote: »

Yes my elderly parents have said there is not much point in living if they can not live.

Hey snowcat, that’s two posts you made that hint at suicide - your own and your parents’ - as a reaction to this situation.

Please remember there will be an end to this, and there are brighter days ahead. Maybe give the Samaritans a call on 116 123 and talk through your thoughts, or contact them other ways here:

https://www.samaritans.org/ireland/samaritans-ireland/

Take care

HeidiHeidi

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah we were told May 5th and now Varadkar and Holohan basically said not to expect anything to happen at all on that date.

There is going to be pushback and it will happen soon.

You were never told May 5th as any big benchmark, let alone the end point of restrictions.

Cork Boy 53

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We can put our shoulder to the wheel and remove the stone of lockdown come May5th.

Off you go then bud. Hope you have a strong shoulder. Do let us know how you get on.

Podge201

Mic 1972 wrote: »

If people had followed the restrictions instead of taking the piss probably we would have had a chance, now we are heading for a peak instead of a decrease

People are being paid to stay at home but you just cant educate stupid people it seems.

NH2013

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why not? You're not being asked to go to war, you are being asked to watch television.

No, you're being asked not to see you family or significant other or friends, something at the core to us as a species is how we socialise and work together as a society and keeping people apart is totally unnatural.

Yes, it is be required but it goes against our natural instinct to be sociable, to engage with others, to form and maintain bonds and relationships. This lockdown, while successful in containing the spread within the community, and was certainly required can not go on forever and people need both hope that it will end soon or else they will simply give up on it.

It is not as simple as just sitting at home and watching TV, it's surpressing our basic instincts to socialise and that's having a major impact on many people, in particular when they're not being given an end in sight.

GazzaL

Mic 1972 wrote: »

If people had followed the restrictions instead of taking the piss probably we would have had a chance, now we are heading for a peak instead of a decrease

Except that's factually incorrect.

road_high

Mic 1972 wrote: »

If people had followed the restrictions instead of taking the piss probably we would have had a chance, now we are heading for a peak instead of a decrease

That’s quite an assertion on all three counts there . Have you evidence
That 1. People haven’t followed the lockdown to any great extent?, 2. That the lockdown has played a major role in controlling it and 3. We are heading for an increase after a lockdown we haven’t exited yet?

FintanMcluskey

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Off you go then bud. Hope you have a strong shoulder. Do let us know how you get on.

I wont be alone. Common sense will prevail it always does.

road_high

Podge201 wrote: »

People are being paid to stay at home but you just cant educate stupid people it seems.

Not really- they’re borrowing with our money to do that causing untold damage to the economy and society.
Neither is sustainable without severe cuts to living standards. Moral superiority will be valuable when the cuts to special needs etc kick in a not very long time

niallo27

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This point makes no sense. The incubation period of the disease has no bearing at all on the lock down measures (it's not actually a "lock down" - bit of an over dramatisation)




Why not? You're not being asked to go to war, you are being asked to watch television.

The war thing, are we still listening to that comparison.

Galwayguy35

Mic 1972 wrote: »

If people had followed the restrictions instead of taking the piss probably we would have had a chance, now we are heading for a peak instead of a decrease

There is actually very high compliance with the restrictions.

Cork Boy 53

road_high wrote: »

You sound more than thrilled at the prospect too. What a sad person

Nope not thrilled at all. I would normally enjoy a few pints as much as anyone. However I`m just being realistic as to what will happen or rather not happen on 5th May or any date after it in so far as any prospect of pubs reopening is concerned.

Galwayguy35

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

You were never told May 5th as any big benchmark, let alone the end point of restrictions.

Yeah sure just keep everyone locked up all summer.

GazzaL

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This point makes no sense. The incubation period of the disease has no bearing at all on the lock down measures (it's not actually a "lock down" - bit of an over dramatisation)




Why not? You're not being asked to go to war, you are being asked to watch television.

It is a lockdown, people are being denied their freedom of movement and their right to earn an honest living. They can't "legally" travel more than 2km to visit their partners or family. The incubation period has a bearing on lockdown measures. As people have already said, it's not in a lot of people's nature to mindlessly watch tv. I know pensioners that work full-time that can't wait to return to work.

Mic 1972

road_high wrote: »

That’s quite an assertion on all three counters there . Have you evidence
That 1. People haven’t followed the lockdown to any great extent?, 2. That the lockdown has played a major role in controlling it and 3. We are heading for an increase after a lockdown we haven’t exited yet?

easily answered
1. There are plenty of reports from everywhere of people not following the rules, no need to post pics
2. Any country that implemented lock down had a decrease, I agree that even with no lock down eventually there is going to be a decline but the risk is to reach an unmanageable level of infections, same as Italy and Spain and the peak of the pandemic. That's still in the cards for us
3. numbers were declining when the lock-down was taken seriously, unfortunately that's no longer the case and numbers have shown the evidence

FintanMcluskey

Mic 1972 wrote: »

easily answered
1. There are plenty of reports from everywhere of people not following the rules, no need to post pics
2. Any country that implemented lock down had a decrease, I agree that even with no lock down eventually there is going to be a decline but the risk is to reach an unmanageable level of infections, same as Italy and Spain and the peak of the pandemic. That's still in the cards for us
3. numbers were declining when the lock-down was taken seriously, unfortunately that's no longer the case and numbers have shown the evidence

Can you answer without completely anecdotal statements?

Mic 1972

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

There is actually very high compliance with the restrictions.

I havent' seen much of that where a live and I hear the same from a lot of people, even in here. But i agree that most people did follow the rules

Mic 1972

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Can you answer without completely anecdotal statements?

You denying that people are not following rules?

niallo27

Mic 1972 wrote: »

easily answered
1. There are plenty of reports from everywhere of people not following the rules, no need to post pics
2. Any country that implemented lock down had a decrease, I agree that even with no lock down eventually there is going to be a decline but the risk is to reach an unmanageable level of infections, same as Italy and Spain and the peak of the pandemic. That's still in the cards for us
3. numbers were declining when the lock-down was taken seriously, unfortunately that's no longer the case and numbers have shown the evidence

You must be on a wind up.

Kermit.de.frog

GazzaL wrote: »

It is a lockdown, people are being denied their freedom of movement and their right to earn an honest living. They can't "legally" travel more than 2km to visit their partners or family. The incubation period has a bearing on lockdown measures. As people have already said, it's not in a lot of people's nature to mindlessly watch tv. I know pensioners that work full-time that can't wait to return to work.

It's a figure of speech, not literal about the tv.

Society faces a moral dilemma, there is no doubt about it.

And there is no easy answers (and anyone who says they have the answer one way or another is a liar).

A balance needs to be found between protecting older and vulnerable people and the rest of society.

As of today with 900+ new cases we are not at that space, so we need to redouble the effort over the next couple of weeks or pay the price. I'd rather the former.

lord quackinton

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Tony Holohan was crystal clear today that if this was the 5th of May nothing could be relaxed. They need a lot more progress.

It's going to depend on people's behaviour between now and then and to be honest, those who want the restrictions lifted, are doing themselves a disservice every time they encourage people that it's all grand now and you should prepare for some big change in May. (there won't be big change in May in any case incidentally so I don't know where that opinion comes from)

Because human nature is more and more people will take risks before then in anticipation and this goes on to threaten lives of the most vulnerable.

It's not a good signal to be giving at this time.

Tony Holohan is not an elected official and this is not his decision
Maybe if was doing his job right in the first place we would not have so many deaths in nursing homes

GazzaL

Mic 1972 wrote: »

easily answered
1. There are plenty of reports from everywhere of people not following the rules, no need to post pics
2. Any country that implemented lock down had a decrease, I agree that even with no lock down eventually there is going to be a decline but the risk is to reach an unmanageable level of infections, same as Italy and Spain and the peak of the pandemic. That's still in the cards for us
3. numbers were declining when the lock-down was taken seriously, unfortunately that's no longer the case and numbers have shown the evidence

Lies, lies, and more lies.

The number of people in intensive care peaked at 160 and has been declining since.

We peaked at about 90 hospital admissions per day two weeks ago and hospital admissions have been declining since then.

Growth of Covid-19 had been stabilised or suppressed.

Since early April the growth rate of new cases was effectively zero.

Think I'm full of ****? Well, write a letter to Professor Nolan so:

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0423/1134432-figures-covid-thursday-23-april/

Mic 1972

niallo27 wrote: »

You must be on a wind up.

I'm not

RugbyLad11

lord quackinton wrote: »

Tony Holohan is not an elected official and this is not his decision
Maybe if was doing his job right in the first place we would not have so many deaths in nursing homes

Exactly! Tony didn't want us to shut the nursing homes in the beginning

niallo27

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's a figure of speech, not literal about the tv.

Society faces a moral dilemma, there is no doubt about it.

And there is no easy answers (and anyone who says they have the answer one way or another is a liar).

A balance needs to be found between protecting older and vulnerable people and the rest of society.

As of today with 900+ new cases we are not at that space, so we need to redouble the effort over the next couple of weeks or pay the price. I'd rather the former.

How do we redouble our efforts, I cant double the time I stay in my house. Where is the balance now you speak of.

road_high

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Can you answer without completely anecdotal statements?

Particularly the last point- poster appears to asserting that because a small minority are are on the move or doing essential work that they are responsible for an increase. This is insane twisting of reality

Kermit.de.frog

GazzaL wrote: »

Growth of Covid-19 had been stabilised or suppressed.

And why is that?

It's not suppressed by the way when you have 936 cases in one day. The highest so far.

Kermit.de.frog

niallo27 wrote: »

How do we redouble our efforts, I cant double the time I stay in my house. Where is the balance now you speak of.

You want to address the balance so that you can go to work, get your hair done, go to the pub etc...

Because you need all this, that's fine.

I'll stand by the oldest and most frail in this society who need the rest of the country to do the right thing.

You come across as selfish and lacking in empathy for the people who need our help the most.

What the hell is wrong with people? You can't take a few weeks of inconvenience to save lives?

I don't get that attitude.