Relaxation of restrictions Part II

road_high

polesheep wrote: »

Source.

Anecdotally I’m sensing a lot of people very fed up with this and the lack of direction on an exit strategy- and the esteemed Dr Holohan’s threats to extend the severe lockdown- basically threatening tens of thousands with job losses and inevitable poverty with it.
There’s a baying Lynch mob out there (very vocal) and will use use the “killing people” mantra at any hint of reasoned debate.- the only way they will they change their tunes is once the €350 is cut down (watch this space) and same for jobseekers etc. It’s fine once the cash keeps coming

trapp

Lads I think the lockdown if that is what is was is over.

It was always relying on the public to obey as our police force is not set up to enforce something like that.

Rightly or wrongly it's over and especially as we move in to the summer I can't see the government being able to enforce it.

The fear of the virus has gone.

road_high

I find the "essential" worker lists rather distasteful and divisive. Even though I am one myself, our company has stopped all travel bar very essential/production staff itself.
It has given imagined superiority to a group of people in some professions- to my mind all jobs are essential as to the person and dependents in question it is likely the difference between poverty and living a reasonable lifestyle.

hmmm

road_high wrote: »

I find the "essential" worker lists rather distasteful and divisive. Even though I am one myself, our company has stopped all travel bar very essential/production staff itself.
It has given imagined superiority to a group of people in some professions- to my mind all jobs are essential as to the person and dependents in question it is likely the difference between poverty and living a reasonable lifestyle.

This has given us an interesting view of what living under Communism might be like, along the lines of what the hard-left in Ireland would be proposing for Ireland.

We get told which jobs are essential and which are not. We get told which people the government will allow go to work. We are told where we can travel and where we can not travel. Our movements are checked by the police. We queue at supermarkets. Most stores which are "non essential" are closed. We have nightly news briefings.

In saying all that, I support what the government are doing, and I think they are doing a good job so far. But I wouldn't want to live the rest of my life like this.

Dickie10

i would imagine cafes and restauraunts open before pubs. like there easy to social distance on wiatress comes to the table at a safe distance or you order at the counter/bar 2 metres apart before returning to your table. i mean people in general dont walk around getting in the way in restauraunts and cafes.

Penfailed

trapp wrote: »

I'm just wondering has it home what exactly is happening here and worldwide.

We're hearing stay at home, clap the frontline, watch netflix, enjoy family life and so forth but it seems fake or forced positivity.

In Ireland alone this is what's happening.

Thousands of people are now going to unemployed and all the effects of that

Many, many shops and businesses will never reopen

Very few pubs, restaurants will survive

The major sports of this country gaelic games, soccer and rugby are banned indefinitely both for large events and at local level. No more all irelands.

Our children can't mix with each other or go to school

Our young people can't go to college (online studying is not the same)

Our children can no longer play sport. Let that sink in for a second.

Funerals, weddings and so on are no more.

18ths, 21sts, 40ths, are no more.

Socialising in groups is no more. How do our young people meet a partner? Genuine question.

Concerts, festivals, parades, community days are no more.

We're heading into a depression, never mind a recession and emigration for a better life is off the table.

Many, many people in this country will be dependent on the state.

Most people I talk to still think we'll get back to some type of normal soon or that we'll have a vaccine to save the day. That could be years away.

Is life as outlined above sustainable or will the **** hit the fan over the summer and into the autumn.

I don't think the way we're going is just making a sacrifice for the frontline as it's being portrayed by politicians and in the media.

From what I can see it's complete destruction of our lives.

What a pessimistic post. Very little of what you've posted is permanent. "...complete destruction of our lives"...wise up.

trapp

Penfailed wrote: »

What a pessimistic post. Very little of what you've posted is permanent. "...complete destruction of our lives"...wise up.

I hope it's overly pessamistic but fear its not.

Which parts are not permanent do you think?

And remember I'm not disagreeing with the restrictions just counting the cost and the end of our way of life.

LiquidZeb

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

"Smile," they said, "life could be worse!"
So I did
And it was.

I know I'm taking the piss out of the shut up and watch Netflix brigade.

rusty the athlete

Strumms wrote: »

About doing what YOU can to be part of the solution as opposed to being part of the problem..

So I caused a pandemic. Sorry about that, I beg your forgiveness.

fin12

trapp wrote: »

Lads I think the lockdown if that is what is was is over.

It was always relying on the public to obey as our police force is not set up to enforce something like that.

Rightly or wrongly it's over and especially as we move in to the summer I can't see the government being able to enforce it.

The fear of the virus has gone.

I agree with u, at the start of this I was like only going out once a week to the shops now I’ll go 2 or 3 times a week. I’m still doing all the precautions but definitely going out more.

Glenomra

trapp wrote: »

I'm just wondering has it home what exactly is happening here and worldwide.

We're hearing stay at home, clap the frontline, watch netflix, enjoy family life and so forth but it seems fake or forced positivity.

In Ireland alone this is what's happening.

Thousands of people are now going to unemployed and all the effects of that

Many, many shops and businesses will never reopen

Very few pubs, restaurants will survive

The major sports of this country gaelic games, soccer and rugby are banned indefinitely both for large events and at local level. No more all irelands.

Our children can't mix with each other or go to school

Our young people can't go to college (online studying is not the same)

Our children can no longer play sport. Let that sink in for a second.

Funerals, weddings and so on are no more.

18ths, 21sts, 40ths, are no more.

Socialising in groups is no more. How do our young people meet a partner? Genuine question.

Concerts, festivals, parades, community days are no more.

We're heading into a depression, never mind a recession and emigration for a better life is off the table.

Many, many people in this country will be dependent on the state.

Most people I talk to still think we'll get back to some type of normal soon or that we'll have a vaccine to save the day. That could be years away.

Is life as outlined above sustainable or will the **** hit the fan over the summer and into the autumn.

I don't think the way we're going is just making a sacrifice for the frontline as it's being portrayed by politicians and in the media.

From what I can see it's complete destruction of our lives.

What a brilliant summary. Should be posted up on ever one of the coronavirus topics every day. This is the needless reality that people imposed upon themselves .

trapp

fin12 wrote: »

I agree with u, at the start of this I was like only going out once a week to the shops now I’ll go 2 or 3 times a week. I’m still doing all the precautions but definitely going out more.

I think this was always going to happen over time.

Even the numbers posting on these threads seem to have reduced
(which could make an interesting graph mods? did numbers peak around start of april and reduce as fear of the virus reduced and complacency set in)

We don't function just sitting inside all day.

Watching netflix is fine as a break at the weekend, not as a way of life.

Rightly or wrongly the lockdown is over.

Penfailed

trapp wrote: »

Which parts are not permanent do you think?

None of it is permanent!

There will be weddings, gigs, all-Irelands, etc. Schools, pubs, colleges, restaurants, etc. will reopen.

Some things may change...but everything changes eventually anyway.

trapp

Penfailed wrote: »

None of it is permanent!

There will be weddings, gigs, all-Irelands, etc. Schools, pubs, colleges, restaurants, etc. will reopen.

Some things may change...but everything changes eventually anyway.

When?

A vaccine is years away.

trapp

Glenomra wrote: »

What a brilliant summary. Should be posted up on ever one of the coronavirus topics every day. This is the needless reality that people imposed upon themselves .

I keep trying to start it as a new thread but the mods keep moving it!!

Come on lads, give this point its own thread!

Penfailed

Glenomra wrote: »

What a brilliant summary. Should be posted up on ever one of the coronavirus topics every day. This is the needless reality that people imposed upon themselves .

People imposed upon themselves? How do you work that out?

It's not a brilliant summary. It's exaggerated sh1te.

gauchesnell

trapp wrote: »

When?

A vaccine is years away.

well wait and see - I work in a university and we expect our students back in October/Novemer. In a different format yes but still back.

Penfailed

trapp wrote: »

When?

A vaccine is years away.

When what?

trapp

Penfailed wrote: »

People imposed upon themselves? How do you work that out?

It's not a brilliant summary. It's exaggerated sh1te.

I wish it was.

Which part is exaggerated?

fin12

trapp wrote: »

When?

A vaccine is years away.

Because it all came back again after the 1918 pandemic.

Breezin

hmmm wrote: »

This has given us an interesting view of what living under Communism might be like, along the lines of what the hard-left in Ireland would be proposing for Ireland.

We get told which jobs are essential and which are not. We get told which people the government will allow go to work. We are told where we can travel and where we can not travel. Our movements are checked by the police. We queue at supermarkets. Most stores which are "non essential" are closed. We have nightly news briefings.

In saying all that, I support what the government are doing, and I think they are doing a good job so far. But I wouldn't want to live the rest of my life like this.

Really? Have you been watching too many 50s B-movies?

It's a right-wing government that's enforcing it here, in the US, in the UK, in France. And, as pointed out before, the wannabe dictators (certainly not of the left) in eastern Europe are loving it.

By the way, the Irish Council for Civil Liberties wants the right-wing government to review the right-wing restrictions

road_high

hmmm wrote: »

This has given us an interesting view of what living under Communism might be like, along the lines of what the hard-left in Ireland would be proposing for Ireland.

We get told which jobs are essential and which are not. We get told which people the government will allow go to work. We are told where we can travel and where we can not travel. Our movements are checked by the police. We queue at supermarkets. Most stores which are "non essential" are closed. We have nightly news briefings.

In saying all that, I support what the government are doing, and I think they are doing a good job so far. But I wouldn't want to live the rest of my life like this.

Bit like that other Orwell masterpiece- "Animal Farm"- "all animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others".
He could have named his book 2020.

Jurgen Klopp

hmmm wrote: »

This has given us an interesting view of what living under Communism might be like, along the lines of what the hard-left in Ireland would be proposing for Ireland.

We get told which jobs are essential and which are not. We get told which people the government will allow go to work. We are told where we can travel and where we can not travel. Our movements are checked by the police. We queue at supermarkets. Most stores which are "non essential" are closed. We have nightly news briefings.

In saying all that, I support what the government are doing, and I think they are doing a good job so far. But I wouldn't want to live the rest of my life like this.

I initially thought the real hardcore lockdown types were just scared and while I still believe most are I came across something very interesting that was posted in this forum when this started

99% of the "rich" do not deserve a lick of what they have. Either family inheretance, or they are good at coding or playing financial games with imaginary numbers. While the rest of us have to slave away to survive. That has to end by any and all means necessary.

It's interesting at some of the posters that thanked it, makes me question if fear is really their only motive

If anyone is interested PM me and I'll send you the link of the post

gauchesnell

ah here....WTF. Why are we stuck at home again. This is from the journal.

AN INTERNAL GARDA investigation is underway after an officer had his uniform and garda hat stolen from his car after he attended a party at a convicted drug dealer’s home.

The garda had been socialising with the criminal in a town in the east of the country, and had fallen asleep on a couch in the house. He awoke at 6pm to find his car gone.

Gardaí on the beat recognised the garda member’s car and spotted two men in the vehicle that were not their colleagues. One of the people in the car was wearing a garda hat and stab vest with the official garda lettering on it.

The car was pulled over and the driver was arrested for drink driving.

The garda whose car was stolen has filed a formal statement saying his vehicle was robbed and that the two men who were driving it did not have his permission to do so.

Gardaí investigating the case later discovered that a video had been shared on social media showing the arrested man and his friend conducting a so-called callout video. Both men are wearing garda hats and one of them is brandishing what appears to be the official garda ASP (baton).

While gardaí are investigating the theft of the vehicle, TheJournal.ie understands that an internal investigation has been launched to ascertain why the serving garda was socialising in the home of a convicted drug dealer. He does not work in the locality but at another station in the east of the country.

The drug dealer in question received two suspended sentences last year after pleading guilty to charges of having drugs for sale or supply.

A spokeswoman for An Garda Síochána said: “Gardaí are investigating all the circumstances of a number of connected incidents that occurred in [town named] on the 20 April 2020.

“An Garda Síochána does not comment on ongoing internal disciplinary investigations.”

road_high

gauchesnell wrote: »

well wait and see - I work in a university and we expect our students back in October/Novemer. In a different format yes but still back.

We/they have to come back. The sooner the better

gauchesnell

road_high wrote: »

We/they have to come back. The sooner the better

well students finish anyway next month so wont be back this semester - October/November for sure if all goes well.

LiquidZeb

gauchesnell wrote: »

ah here....WTF. Why are we stuck at home again. This is from the journal.

AN INTERNAL GARDA investigation is underway after an officer had his uniform and garda hat stolen from his car after he attended a party at a convicted drug dealer’s home.

The garda had been socialising with the criminal in a town in the east of the country, and had fallen asleep on a couch in the house. He awoke at 6pm to find his car gone.

Gardaí on the beat recognised the garda member’s car and spotted two men in the vehicle that were not their colleagues. One of the people in the car was wearing a garda hat and stab vest with the official garda lettering on it.

The car was pulled over and the driver was arrested for drink driving.

The garda whose car was stolen has filed a formal statement saying his vehicle was robbed and that the two men who were driving it did not have his permission to do so.

Gardaí investigating the case later discovered that a video had been shared on social media showing the arrested man and his friend conducting a so-called callout video. Both men are wearing garda hats and one of them is brandishing what appears to be the official garda ASP (baton).

While gardaí are investigating the theft of the vehicle, TheJournal.ie understands that an internal investigation has been launched to ascertain why the serving garda was socialising in the home of a convicted drug dealer. He does not work in the locality but at another station in the east of the country.

The drug dealer in question received two suspended sentences last year after pleading guilty to charges of having drugs for sale or supply.

A spokeswoman for An Garda Síochána said: “Gardaí are investigating all the circumstances of a number of connected incidents that occurred in [town named] on the 20 April 2020.

“An Garda Síochána does not comment on ongoing internal disciplinary investigations.”

****ing ridiculous. Sure wasn't there a case where a case where a bean Garda was caught snorting that white **** up her nostril in a nightclub and it turned out she had bought it off another Garda. Disgraceful.

gauchesnell

LiquidZeb wrote: »

****ing ridiculous. Sure wasn't there a case where a case where a bean Garda was caught snorting that white **** up her nostril in a nightclub and it turned out she had bought it off another Garda. Disgraceful.

LOL I know. Date stated is 20th April a garda out at a house party with a criminal.


Makes a joke of everything

hmmm

Based on this, we can't go back to offices.
https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1253710609692209153

LuasSimon

Bit much for Leo to tell people they can’t go anywhere for an afternoon or evening when travellers are having large funerals and 21St birthday party’s and having camps on the curragh .

fin12

LuasSimon wrote: »

Bit much for Leo to tell people they can’t go anywhere for an afternoon or evening when travellers are having large funerals and 21St birthday party’s and having camps on the curragh .

That Leo is probably hosting parties in his own gaff.

GazzaL

gauchesnell wrote: »

LOL I know. Date stated is 20th April a garda out at a house party with a criminal.


Makes a joke of everything

Comical. No mention of it on RTE news yet, just the same pontificating **** panicking that people are no longer listening to them, threatening us with social and economic obliteration, and trying to move goalposts because we've already smashed the R0 target.

LiquidZeb

LuasSimon wrote: »

Bit much for Leo to tell people they can’t go anywhere for an afternoon or evening when travellers are having large funerals and 21St birthday party’s and having camps on the curragh .

Yeah but the gardai aren't as easily able to bully the travellers into submission so they leave them be. It's easier to hassle the old woman walking her dog on her own instead.

road_high

GazzaL wrote: »

Comical. No mention of it on RTE news yet, just the same pontificating **** panicking that people are no longer listening to them, threatening us with social and economic obliteration, and trying to move goalposts because we've already smashed the R0 target.

I used to think people that criticised rte as a government propaganda puppet to be a little unhinged but by Jesus they’re sticking to the government line come hell or high water- warning of the dire economic consequences to come are brushed aside as “future issues”.
The Irish media have lost all critical faculties far as I can see and 99% roll with what is most convenient or socially popular to our moral superiors

road_high

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Yeah but the gardai aren't as easily able to bully the travellers into submission so they leave them be. It's easier to hassle the old woman walking her dog on her own instead.

Yes or my friend (middle class, plain as day not a criminal) whos boot they had to check for groceries coming from the local village. He was delivering them to his elderly parents, both recovering from cancer. When is someone going to shout stop?

LiquidZeb

road_high wrote: »

Yes or my friend (middle class, plain as day not a criminal) whos boot they had to check for groceries coming from the local village. He was delivering them to his elderly parents, both recovering from cancer. When is someone going to shout stop?

This isn't anything new though. There is a culture of selective policing in this country. They know whos an easy target and who isn't.

gauchesnell

Good article on the lockdown in NZ from RTE

New Zealand seeing the benefits of a strict lockdown
In comparing the spread of Covid-19 between the Republic of Ireland and New Zealand, a University of Auckland academic highlighted the reduced numbers of community transmissions and the closing of its borders as reasons why New Zealand has achieved much in stemming the virus.

Given the similarity in the population size of the two countries, Eamon O'Brien, a Professor of Mathematics, said the number of community transmissions was key in explaining some contrasting stats.

There have been 17 deaths in New Zealand compared to almost 800 here. He referenced the number of confirmed cases in New Zealand - 1,500, versus 17,607 in the Republic of Ireland.

He also pointed out that the dispersion of people, due to a greater land mass may be one factor which contributes to the difference between community transmission rates of the two countries, which he said is 4% in New Zealand, compared to 50% in Ireland.

Professor O'Brien said the crucial factor that reduced New Zealand's transmission rate was the closure of the country's borders on the 19 March, when all non-residents were banned from admission.

He added that since then anyone coming into the country is being quarantined at the airport for two weeks courtesy of the government.

"People are being picked up at one of the country's three airports that are open and are being brought to a, in most cases, very nice hotel where they stay for two weeks, paid for by the government. People do not go back to their community and have contact with others."

The Irish figures are worrying, he said, but he added that New Zealand is now reporting just two or three new cases per day on the back of 100,000 tests, compared to 120,000 conducted in the Republic.

"Here the lockdown is serious and it is strictly enforced. People get upset and angry if they see others not complying"

Professor O'Brien mentioned that random testing of customers is being carried out at supermarkets, "to get some idea about the amount of virus in the community, and the reproductive rate is zero."

He also referenced the term "dobbing in" when people report others who are not observing Covid-19 restrictions.

"Here the lockdown is serious and it is strictly enforced. People get upset and angry if they see others not complying. They report, or dob people in to the police if they're not observing it."

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He said New Zealand's biggest city, Auckland, "is not the epicentre by any means, there is not much difference between the rates of virus there than the rest of the country", which is not the case in Ireland.

"Auckland and Dublin have roughly the same population, the land mass occupied stretches a little further, the housing density but it does not explain the 44-fold difference in the number of cases."

Another stark difference, according to the Mr O'Brien, is that all restaurant and cafes have closed completely, where they have not been allowed to not run takeaway services.

"Restaurant takeaways have been completely banned. The argument was that its not just people going there to pick up but there are people working there.

They wanted to remove as many people as possible from workplaces to reduce the risk of infection. It's all very well to be making contactless payments but there will be people working in the kitchen to provide the food. This ban will cease here next week."

Allinall

road_high wrote: »

Yes or my friend (middle class, plain as day not a criminal) whos boot they had to check for groceries coming from the local village. He was delivering them to his elderly parents, both recovering from cancer. When is someone going to shout stop?

Has he sought counseling for his traumatic experience?

AllForIt

I though it amazing that on this evenings RTE news the focus was on people getting lax on restrictions where the western correspondent didn't mention the freaky good weather we're having, when we had storm after storm after storm here in Castlebar (where he was reporting from) for weeks before the lockdown. It's almost like he deliberately didn't mention it so we wouldn't notice. We have had one of the worst winters for rain this year and I feel I've been on lockdown since January if not longer.

LiquidZeb

Allinall wrote: »

Has he sought counseling for his traumatic experience?

You don't think it's insulting for a taxpayer to be harassed while going about their daily business while certain groups act with near impunity?

It's great how the government have access to the Google location data. Time to disable Google location services. Is there an Apple equivalent or are they just using the data from Google.

road_high

Allinall wrote: »

Has he sought counseling for his traumatic experience?

Why would he do that? And I never said he found it traumatic. Just a nonsensical monumental rubbish waste of time and resources. Which it is

Allinall

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You don't think it's insulting for a taxpayer to be harassed while going about their daily business while certain groups act with near impunity?

Where was the harassment?

Annabella1

Think comparisons with NZ are pointless
It is very isolated with few interconnecting flights and travel

Penfailed

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You don't think it's insulting for a taxpayer to be harassed while going about their daily business while certain groups act with near impunity?

Harassed? Ah c'mon!

Penfailed

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You don't think it's insulting for a taxpayer to be harassed while going about their daily business while certain groups act with near impunity?

Harassed? Ah c'mon!

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

None of it is permanent!

There will be weddings, gigs, all-Irelands, etc. Schools, pubs, colleges, restaurants, etc. will reopen.

Some things may change...but everything changes eventually anyway.

The only way these can go ahead is if Dr evil and his twin have a full frontal lobotomy, quit the patronising, accept responsibility for the nursing home fiasco, accept that not one restriction outside will have an effect inside a nursing home and realise it takes money to fight this long term.

Penfailed

road_high wrote: »

Why would he do that? And I never said he found it traumatic. Just a nonsensical monumental rubbish waste of time and resources. Which it is

Monumental waste of time and resources? I'd say they could check someone's boot in less than a minute. It's hardly monumental.

GazzaL

Penfailed wrote: »

Monumental waste of time and resources? I'd say they could check someone's boot in less than a minute. It's hardly monumental.

It's vital in our fight against the Coronavirus to check if Mr. Ryan bought mint Cornettos or strawberry Cornettos. If we need to pay overtime to get this essential work done then so be it.

Mic 1972

road_high wrote: »

Yes or my friend (middle class, plain as day not a criminal) whos boot they had to check for groceries coming from the local village. He was delivering them to his elderly parents, both recovering from cancer. When is someone going to shout stop?

The garda are doing their job, not need to have a go at them