Relaxation of restrictions Part II

fin12

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Useful suggestion for you. Maybe it would be a good idea to properly read the comment of the poster I was replying to before making smart arse replies. He clearly mentioned his own recycling bin in his post not a bottle bank.

It’s not a smart ass comment cause it’s a fact. Bin men should be wearing gloves.

I never take any suggestion from u on board.

niallo27

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

there'll be less overall with restrictions in place than without, so ...

gradual lifting starting on 5th of May is the way to go

Hopefully yes, I have no problem with that.

FintanMcluskey

road_high wrote: »

Doesn't surprise me. These lot have been lavished with a sales monopoly the past age so why bother with all that. People will have to come in anyhow and will make no difference to the most important thing- their bottom line.
If i hear another one of their patronising adverts :mad:

Thats also needs to be called out. They are permitted to sell non essential items but local hardware is closed. Also the €350 getting paid out non means tested. Yet again the middle class is screwed. The large crowds attending funerals. The inquest into the mismanagement will be interesting. STFAH#.

JoeA3

I honestly feel that Varadkar, Harris, the CMO and RTÉ are speaking to the nation like we are all fcuking simpleton lemmings. If I hear one of them bleat about “staying the course” or “stay at home” one more time, I swear....

I’m very weary of it. It’s only been 6-7 weeks but it feels like it’s been 6 months. I think the message they are feebly trying to bat us over the head with is rapidly losing meaning. I didn’t see tonight’s CMO conference but Tony was completely ridiculous lastnight. R0 down to near zero. No spread in community for 2 last weeks. Yet he’s speaking to us like some disapproving school teacher, that we’re still on “detention”.

The media, including our national broadcaster are putting their own convenient spin on it. Here in the West of Ireland we’ve had the most miserable fcuking 6-7 months of endless rain and storm after storm. The lockdown just happens to coincide with a long overdue decent spell of sunshine. Quelle surprise. People are out and about enjoying the sunshine. Yet this is being reported like the people doing so are villainous cretins. It’s completely ludicrous, a spin to suit an agenda.

It’s clear I’m not alone in this, judging by this thread and what I see all around me every day, particularly the last few days. Honestly I probably was a bit nervous about it all for about a week but it’s long since passed. I’m not worried about the virus. I don’t feel threatened by it. I don’t perceive it to be a threat at all in my community. What I am worried about is, what’s going to be left to go back to when this spineless government finally relent and let people get back to their livelihoods. Or what’s left of them.

Spencer Brown

JoeA3 wrote: »

I honestly feel that Varadkar, Harris, the CMO and RTÉ are speaking to the nation like we are all fcuking simpleton lemmings. If I hear one of them bleat about “staying the course” or “stay at home” one more time, I swear....

I’m very weary of it. It’s only been 6-7 weeks but it feels like it’s been 6 months. I think the message they are feebly trying to bat us over the head with is rapidly losing meaning. I didn’t see tonight’s CMO conference but Tony was completely ridiculous lastnight. R0 down to near zero. No spread in community for 2 last weeks. Yet he’s speaking to us like some disapproving school teacher, that we’re still on “detention”.

The media, including our national broadcaster are putting their own convenient spin on it. Here in the West of Ireland we’ve had the most miserable fcuking 6-7 months of endless rain and storm after storm. The lockdown just happens to coincide with a long overdue decent spell of sunshine. Quelle surprise. People are out and about enjoying the sunshine. Yet this is being reported like the people doing so are villainous cretins. It’s completely ludicrous, a spin to suit an agenda.

It’s clear I’m not alone in this, judging by this thread and what I see all around me every day, particularly the last few days. Honestly I probably was a bit nervous about it all for about a week but it’s long since passed. And I think I’m far from alone.

It's amazing how the vast majority of the country felt they had done such a ****e job over the last decade that they wanted them out of government, now the same people are seemingly backing their every decision.

titan18

normanoffside wrote: »

The nursing home scandal will turn out to be a massive stain on Leo and Simon.
They were looking in the wrong place for the virus (similar to Bandit Luke looking at the sweat left by joggers on the footpaths).

People would criticize them if they prioritised nursing homes over hospitals too tbf. There was a finite amount of ppe and testing resources. Seems understandable to me to prioritize those with a higher chance of survival. Might be **** but that's life

FintanMcluskey

JoeA3 wrote: »

I honestly feel that Varadkar, Harris, the CMO and RTÉ are speaking to the nation like we are all fcuking simpleton lemmings. If I hear one of them bleat about “staying the course” or “stay at home” one more time, I swear....

I’m very weary of it. It’s only been 6-7 weeks but it feels like it’s been 6 months. I think the message they are feebly trying to bat us over the head with is rapidly losing meaning. I didn’t see tonight’s CMO conference but Tony was completely ridiculous lastnight. R0 down to near zero. No spread in community for 2 last weeks. Yet he’s speaking to us like some disapproving school teacher, that we’re still on “detention”.

The media, including our national broadcaster are putting their own convenient spin on it. Here in the West of Ireland we’ve had the most miserable fcuking 6-7 months of endless rain and storm after storm. The lockdown just happens to coincide with a long overdue decent spell of sunshine. Quelle surprise. People are out and about enjoying the sunshine. Yet this is being reported like the people doing so are villainous cretins. It’s completely ludicrous, a spin to suit an agenda.

It’s clear I’m not alone in this, judging by this thread and what I see all around me every day, particularly the last few days. Honestly I probably was a bit nervous about it all for about a week but it’s long since passed. I’m not worried about the virus. I don’t feel threatened by it. I don’t perceive it to be a threat at all in my community. What I am worried about is, what’s going to be left to go back to when this spineless government finally relent and let people get back to their livelihoods. Or what’s left of them.

For some unknown reason Ryan Tubridys incessant stay at home you fools s##te is boiling my pi##. Im sure 500k a year means hes not thinking towards his mortgage payments in Summer, so hes in no position to judge any normal folk

normanoffside

JoeA3 wrote: »

I honestly feel that Varadkar, Harris, the CMO and RTÉ are speaking to the nation like we are all fcuking simpleton lemmings. If I hear one of them bleat about “staying the course” or “stay at home” one more time, I swear....

I’m very weary of it. It’s only been 6-7 weeks but it feels like it’s been 6 months. I think the message they are feebly trying to bat us over the head with is rapidly losing meaning. I didn’t see tonight’s CMO conference but Tony was completely ridiculous lastnight. R0 down to near zero. No spread in community for 2 last weeks. Yet he’s speaking to us like some disapproving school teacher, that we’re still on “detention”.

The media, including our national broadcaster are putting their own convenient spin on it. Here in the West of Ireland we’ve had the most miserable fcuking 6-7 months of endless rain and storm after storm. The lockdown just happens to coincide with a long overdue decent spell of sunshine. Quelle surprise. People are out and about enjoying the sunshine. Yet this is being reported like the people doing so are villainous cretins. It’s completely ludicrous, a spin to suit an agenda.

It’s clear I’m not alone in this, judging by this thread and what I see all around me every day, particularly the last few days. Honestly I probably was a bit nervous about it all for about a week but it’s long since passed. I’m not worried about the virus. I don’t feel threatened by it. I don’t perceive it to be a threat at all in my community. What I am worried about is, what’s going to be left to go back to when this spineless government finally relent and let people get back to their livelihoods. Or what’s left of them.

Just a reminder that there are zero cases of spread in an outdoor environment according to one big study
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1

Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53.8% involved three cases, 26.4% involved four cases, and only 1.6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79.9%), followed by transport (108; 34.0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases.

The insistence on blaming people going outside is just a tactic to cover up government failure in controlling spread in places they should have been controlling.

Thelonious Monk

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

For some unknown reason Ryan Tubridys incessant stay at home you fools s##te is boiling my pi##. Im sure 500k a year means hes not thinking towards his mortgage payments in Summer, so hes in no position to judge any normal folk

Stay at home in your Dalkey mansion where you can fish off a jetty outside

alwald

titan18 wrote: »

People would criticize them if they prioritised nursing homes over hospitals too tbf. There was a finite amount of ppe and testing resources. Seems understandable to me to prioritize those with a higher chance of survival. Might be **** but that's life

Totally agree, some people think they know all while criticising everything from a keyboard...It takes all sorts to make a world.

Cork Boy 53

fin12 wrote: »

It’s not a smart ass comment cause it’s a fact. Bin men should be wearing gloves.

I never take any suggestion from u on board.

Really? How will I manage to sleep tonight after reading this? Broken hearted so I am.

martingriff

JoeA3 wrote: »

I honestly feel that Varadkar, Harris, the CMO and RTÉ are speaking to the nation like we are all fcuking simpleton lemmings. If I hear one of them bleat about “staying the course” or “stay at home” one more time, I swear....

I’m very weary of it. It’s only been 6-7 weeks but it feels like it’s been 6 months. I think the message they are feebly trying to bat us over the head with is rapidly losing meaning. I didn’t see tonight’s CMO conference but Tony was completely ridiculous lastnight. R0 down to near zero. No spread in community for 2 last weeks. Yet he’s speaking to us like some disapproving school teacher, that we’re still on “detention”.

The media, including our national broadcaster are putting their own convenient spin on it. Here in the West of Ireland we’ve had the most miserable fcuking 6-7 months of endless rain and storm after storm. The lockdown just happens to coincide with a long overdue decent spell of sunshine. Quelle surprise. People are out and about enjoying the sunshine. Yet this is being reported like the people doing so are villainous cretins. It’s completely ludicrous, a spin to suit an agenda.

It’s clear I’m not alone in this, judging by this thread and what I see all around me every day, particularly the last few days. Honestly I probably was a bit nervous about it all for about a week but it’s long since passed. I’m not worried about the virus. I don’t feel threatened by it. I don’t perceive it to be a threat at all in my community. What I am worried about is, what’s going to be left to go back to when this spineless government finally relent and let people get back to their livelihoods. Or what’s left of them.

They are talking to people like simpletons because they have to make sure they are getting to everyone. It looks like some (yourself includes) this is serious. It has killed over a thousand people in only 3 months. At that is with the restrictions. What do you think it be like if they say f it just open it back up. Your last paragraph is the reason we might have this lockdown longer

I dont get you bit of the surprise of a lockdown during good weather. Are you suggesting they manufactured it this way. That is some conspiratorial stuff

normanoffside

titan18 wrote: »

People would criticize them if they prioritised nursing homes over hospitals too tbf. There was a finite amount of ppe and testing resources. Seems understandable to me to prioritize those with a higher chance of survival. Might be **** but that's life

They could have prioritised nursing homes and hospitals (let's be honest, nursing homes are effectively hospitals for very vulnerable people) and worried less about letting healthy people go outside and getting on with their lives.

There are many ways people can go outside and these have very little affect on disease spread.

There are also many ways people can work in low risk environments but the government went on the road of banning all 'safe' social and economic activity while ignoring the big problem in Nursing homes.

fin12

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

For some unknown reason Ryan Tubridys incessant stay at home you fools s##te is boiling my pi##. Im sure 500k a year means hes not thinking towards his mortgage payments in Summer, so hes in no position to judge any normal folk

Does he not appear to have got the most mildest case of the virus ever? He literally was back on that late late sh*t show two weeks later.

martingriff

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

For some unknown reason Ryan Tubridys incessant stay at home you fools s##te is boiling my pi##. Im sure 500k a year means hes not thinking towards his mortgage payments in Summer, so hes in no position to judge any normal folk

So who would you listen to. Maybe if we get someone of the families that died or the families of those who are still in ICU. Maybe Mary Lou might actually make you think though she probably does not have to think of her mortgage like Tubridy

Spencer Brown

martingriff wrote: »

They are talking to people like simpletons because they have to make sure they are getting to everyone. It looks like some (yourself includes) this is serious. It has killed over a thousand people in only 3 months. At that is with the restrictions. What do you think it be like if they say f it just open it back up. Your last paragraph is the reason we might have this lockdown longer

I dont get you bit of the surprise of a lockdown during good weather. Are you suggesting they manufactured it this way. That is some conspiratorial stuff

Jesus man, stop posting when drunk.

martingriff

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Jesus man, stop posting when drunk.

If you have a problem with my points let's me know. If it is my grammar of spelling I am sorry on phone and dyslexia do not go together

Downlinz

I expected and hoped for easing restrictions on May 5th but at this point I think the lockdown is likely to continue for another couple of weeks and would agree with that outcome.
The numbers haven't dropped quick enough and I think the goal from all this should be to ensure that this is the one and only lockdown, with the information we have on reoccurences in places like Singapore I think it's fair to say that if we re-open soon we're going to wind up in a state of flux bouncing between open and lockdown for the rest of the year which would be a horrible situation.

Patience from everyone and locking down May and I think we'll see the path back to something resembling normality in June.

JoeA3

martingriff wrote: »

They are talking to people like simpletons because they have to make sure they are getting to everyone. It looks like some (yourself includes) this is serious. It has killed over a thousand people in only 3 months. At that is with the restrictions. What do you think it be like if they say f it just open it back up. Your last paragraph is the reason we might have this lockdown longer

I dont get you bit of the surprise of a lockdown during good weather. Are you suggesting they manufactured it this way. That is some conspiratorial stuff

Eh what?
I think my post sailed over your head Martin.

FintanMcluskey

martingriff wrote: »

So who would you listen to. Maybe if we get someone of the families that died or the families of those who are still in ICU. Maybe Mary Lou might actually make you think though she probably does not have to think of her mortgage like Tubridy

We implemented restrictions to lower the Ro. We have achieved that. Thays all we were asked to do. Staying at home is now doing more damage. This is not a death sentence. 0.1% of those over 65 are at risk.
Every death is a tragedy. And before Covid every death is a tragedy. And after Covid every death will be a tragedy. But the world doesnt stop as per W.H Auden.

martingriff

JoeA3 wrote: »

Eh what?
I think my post sailed over your head Martin.

The paragraph about the good weather I admit I got wrong did not read it properly but the first bit I dont think so

timmy_mallet

fin12 wrote: »

Does he not appear to have got the most mildest case of the virus ever? He literally was back on that late late sh*t show two weeks later.

80% of cases are mild

*and there's evidence of asymptomatic cases.

timmy_mallet

Downlinz wrote: »

I expected and hoped for easing restrictions on May 5th but at this point I think the lockdown is likely to continue for another couple of weeks and would agree with that outcome.
The numbers haven't dropped quick enough and I think the goal from all this should be to ensure that this is the one and only lockdown, with the information we have on reoccurences in places like Singapore I think it's fair to say that if we re-open soon we're going to wind up in a state of flux bouncing between open and lockdown for the rest of the year which would be a horrible situation.

Patience from everyone and locking down May and I think we'll see the path back to something resembling normality in June.

What case number or data would allow for relaxing of restrictions though? It's a 0 or close outside healthcare and care home settings, what else can be done now?

alwald

JoeA3 wrote: »

Eh what?
I think my post sailed over your head Martin.

Nope because this is when I stopped reading your post waffle.

JoeA3 wrote: »

I honestly feel that

titan18

normanoffside wrote:

They could have prioritised nursing homes and hospitals (let's be honest, nursing homes are effectively hospitals for very vulnerable people) and worried less about letting healthy people go outside and getting on with their lives.

There were articles saying we didn't have enough PPE in hospitals. How would spreading that amount amongst more people have been done?

Nursing homes were complaining nurses were being recruited by HSE. Where would the extra nurses have come from if we didn't do that?

There was huge backlogs in testing at the start. How would we have tested more people when we already couldn't test fast enough?

The ban on healthy people going out was so we wouldn't overwhelm hospitals. If we let people out and didn't close pubs, or reduce the reproductive rate, how would our hospitals cope with more cases along with the idiots in a&e cos they're drunk.

As it is with the first set of restrictions before pubs closed, we had temple bar and other pubs packed, we had people flocking to beaches and parks. If our population could be responsible adults, it'd have been grand but there's far too many idiots here to leave things go. Even now cos we haven't enforced fines etc people are taking the piss.

alwald

titan18 wrote: »

There were articles saying we didn't have enough PPE in hospitals. How would spreading that amount amongst more people have been done?

Nursing homes were complaining nurses were being recruited by HSE. Where would the extra nurses have come from if we didn't do that?

There was huge backlogs in testing at the start. How would we have tested more people when we already couldn't test fast enough?

The ban on healthy people going out was so we wouldn't overwhelm hospitals. If we let people out and didn't close pubs, or reduce the reproductive rate, how would our hospitals cope with more cases along with the idiots in a&e cos they're drunk.

As it is with the first set of restrictions before pubs closed, we had temple bar and other pubs packed, we had people flocking to beaches and parks. If our population could be responsible adults, it'd have been grand but there's far too many idiots here to leave things go. Even now cos we haven't enforced fines etc people are taking the piss.

You shouldn't bother because all his waffle is based on what he's learning from the CMO and Varadkar as opposed to his own analysis in early March...as I said some people are only good at typing from a keyboard :pac:

martingriff

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We implemented restrictions to lower the Ro. We have achieved that. Thays all we were asked to do. Staying at home is now doing more damage. This is not a death sentence. 0.1% of those over 65 are at risk.
Every death is a tragedy. And before Covid every death is a tragedy. And after Covid every death will be a tragedy. But the world doesnt stop as per W.H Auden.

Yes and the restrictions will be eased . They are trying to get testing results to a quick level and the full testing of nursing homes has knocked this a bit. They were not going to do it the week of a bank holiday. However if people start doing whatever the hell they want now we will be back in lockdown again.

As you said the point of this was to reduce the Ro and also bot to overwhelm the health service. Now is not the time to celebrate but act responsible. The economy is taking a nose dive, anyone who thought it would not were fooling themselves and it will take a while to come good again but it will

JoeA3

martingriff wrote: »

The paragraph about the good weather I admit I got wrong did not read it properly but the first bit I dont think so

No.
They’ve admitted it’s not in the community. R0 close to zero. No community spread in a fortnight. We’ve done all we can do and now they’re moving the goalposts because they’re still flappping around, deferring real decisions for more weeks. Harris is probably reading up Wikipedia on the previous 18 Covids....

All this bleating about people becoming complacent and “stay the course” is a smokescreen for their complete cock ups in nursing homes, farcical testing cock ups and the PPE equipment fiasco.

Dickie10

if it meant we got to open up a bit quicker i would favour another 2 weeks of lockdown, too try and subdue the disease so much that the aftershock wave we will get will be minimal because we will get one. but we would need to open up things every fortight during june. could we save some of the tourist season in july/august/september it would save a lot of cafes and hotels/restaurunts with irish only tourism. i mean if the government sees fit to open up big events of over 5000 people by spetember 1st, nobody is going to tell me there going to locking up hotels where less than 300 people would gather max up to august 1st? we are not going to go form 0 people to 5,000 being allowed gather overnight surely? will it not be a stepped approach? up to 100 then 3 weeks later up to 500? then another fortnight 1,000

Quantum Erasure

JoeA3 wrote: »

No.
They’ve admitted it’s not in the community. R0 close to zero. No community spread in a fortnight. We’ve done all we can do and now they’re moving the goalposts because they’re still flappping around, deferring real decisions for more weeks. Harris is probably reading up Wikipedia on the previous 18 Covids....

All this bleating about people becoming complacent and “stay the course” is a smokescreen for their complete cock ups in nursing homes, farcical testing cock ups and the PPE equipment fiasco.

'community transmission' means that they don't know how the patient aquired the disease. theres still transmission outside of care homes, we need restrictions in place to keep this transmission low, otherwise it will just take off exponentially again...

It’s clear I’m not alone in this, judging by this thread and what I see all around me every day, particularly the last few days. Honestly I probably was a bit nervous about it all for about a week but it’s long since passed. I’m not worried about the virus. I don’t feel threatened by it. I don’t perceive it to be a threat at all in my community.

and thats why we need the restrictions

SusieBlue

Downlinz wrote: »

I expected and hoped for easing restrictions on May 5th but at this point I think the lockdown is likely to continue for another couple of weeks and would agree with that outcome.
The numbers haven't dropped quick enough and I think the goal from all this should be to ensure that this is the one and only lockdown, with the information we have on reoccurences in places like Singapore I think it's fair to say that if we re-open soon we're going to wind up in a state of flux bouncing between open and lockdown for the rest of the year which would be a horrible situation.

Patience from everyone and locking down May and I think we'll see the path back to something resembling normality in June.

But why though?
Society has to reopen at some point and regardless of how gradually we reopen the various industries, or when we do it, there WILL be a spike in cases when that happens.
Whether we do it in May or in June or even 2021 is irrelevant because there will be the same outcome. More movement = more cases.
Striving to further reduce the amount of transmission (which is already extremely low) is absolutely fruitless when the second we open up anything, it’s undoubtedly going to rise again.
The virus is going nowhere and the sooner we adapt to this new way of life the better.
So staying locked up for another month is actually completely pointless and will do nothing but delay the inevitable.

We have flattened the curve, prepared our hospitals and educated our people on the severity of the situation. That was the purpose & aim of the lockdown and we have achieved that goal. In the face of an untreatable, incurable novel virus, that’s about all we can do.

We can’t stay at home forever and if we don’t get people back to work we’re going to have a much worse problem in a few months time from the impact this is having on everyone’s mental health & quality of life.
I think we have all sacrificed plenty, we have put in as much effort & preparation as possible for the greater good but balance must be struck for the well-being of everyone.

almostover

JoeA3 wrote: »

I honestly feel that Varadkar, Harris, the CMO and RTÉ are speaking to the nation like we are all fcuking simpleton lemmings. If I hear one of them bleat about “staying the course” or “stay at home” one more time, I swear....

I’m very weary of it. It’s only been 6-7 weeks but it feels like it’s been 6 months. I think the message they are feebly trying to bat us over the head with is rapidly losing meaning. I didn’t see tonight’s CMO conference but Tony was completely ridiculous lastnight. R0 down to near zero. No spread in community for 2 last weeks. Yet he’s speaking to us like some disapproving school teacher, that we’re still on “detention”.

The media, including our national broadcaster are putting their own convenient spin on it. Here in the West of Ireland we’ve had the most miserable fcuking 6-7 months of endless rain and storm after storm. The lockdown just happens to coincide with a long overdue decent spell of sunshine. Quelle surprise. People are out and about enjoying the sunshine. Yet this is being reported like the people doing so are villainous cretins. It’s completely ludicrous, a spin to suit an agenda.

It’s clear I’m not alone in this, judging by this thread and what I see all around me every day, particularly the last few days. Honestly I probably was a bit nervous about it all for about a week but it’s long since passed. I’m not worried about the virus. I don’t feel threatened by it. I don’t perceive it to be a threat at all in my community. What I am worried about is, what’s going to be left to go back to when this spineless government finally relent and let people get back to their livelihoods. Or what’s left of them.

Let's just see how this post ages over the next few months. You don't perceive it to be a threat in your community? Do you have a medical degree or a specialism in virology? You might not feel worried or threatened by this pandemic but elderly residents of your community might. It's 10 more days at home. Grow a pair and get on with it

martingriff

JoeA3 wrote: »

No.
They’ve admitted it’s not in the community. R0 close to zero. No community spread in a fortnight. We’ve done all we can do and now they’re moving the goalposts because they’re still flappping around, deferring real decisions for more weeks. Harris is probably reading up Wikipedia on the previous 18 Covids....

All this bleating about people becoming complacent and “stay the course” is a smokescreen for their complete cock ups in nursing homes, farcical testing cock ups and the PPE equipment fiasco.

What you mean testing fiasco. It is not there fault there was a worldwide shortage of reagents.

PPE equipment not sure how much faster they could gave been everyother country had the same problem.

Nursing homes I agree but I dont see them covering it up.

Of course they could not have just opened stuff up as soon as the transmission had fallen they had to make sure it was stable and they sure were not going to open it up the week of a bank holiday. May 5th was allways going to be the date.

How anyone is surprised it is not before then is idiotic. Phase lifting of restriction will happen retail will be up and running with capacity like supermarkets are doing. Construction with masks or full head gear. Restaurants with reduced capacity. Social distancing as much as can be possible and working from home will stay for those who can

Bobtheman

Building sites , factories and some shops May 5th. Thats it and then reviewed in 2 weeks

_Kaiser_

I've noticed a steady increase in local footfall and activity outside the window here in the last few days, cumulating yesterday in kids out playing and people walking around in the sunshine while a Garda strolled by without any issue with this.

Lockdown is effectively already over because the objective was achieved - allow the health service time to respond, get people's attention, and reduce the rates of infetction to manageable levels.

FG are being rapidly exposed in this new phase and that too is annoying people who are remembering why they didn't vote for them only a few weeks before this started. If they don't announce sensible but less restrictive measures from the 5th, I think any remaining patience in most people (who aren't sick and are low risk anyway) will evaporate in the face of seeing their families mental and financial wellbeing desroyed for another decade.

almostover

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We implemented restrictions to lower the Ro. We have achieved that. Thays all we were asked to do. Staying at home is now doing more damage. This is not a death sentence. 0.1% of those over 65 are at risk.
Every death is a tragedy. And before Covid every death is a tragedy. And after Covid every death will be a tragedy. But the world doesnt stop as per W.H Auden.

Lowering the R0 was the first step. Now we have to keep it low. No point being in a constant boom bust cycle with this virus no matter how acclamitised we are to the boom Bust situation in this country

Spencer Brown

Bobtheman wrote: »

Building sites , factories and some shops May 5th. Thats it and then reviewed in 2 weeks

Source?

Gael23

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I've noticed a steady increase in local footfall and activity outside the window here in the last few days, cumulating yesterday in kids out playing and people walking around in the sunshine while a Garda strolled by without any issue with this.

Lockdown is effectively already over because the objective was achieved - allow the health service time to respond, get people's attention, and reduce the rates of infetction to manageable levels.

FG are being rapidly exposed in this new phase and that too is annoying people who are remembering why they didn't vote for them only a few weeks before this started. If they don't announce sensible but less restrictive measures from the 5th, I think any remaining patience in most people (who aren't sick and are low risk anyway) will evaporate in the face of seeing their families mental and financial wellbeing desroyed for another decade.

The past few days are showing people won’t tolerate and more and have been pushed as far as they will go. Peoples illingness to cooperate is wearing thin

martingriff

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I've noticed a steady increase in local footfall and activity outside the window here in the last few days, cumulating yesterday in kids out playing and people walking around in the sunshine while a Garda strolled by without any issue with this.

Lockdown is effectively already over because the objective was achieved - allow the health service time to respond, get people's attention, and reduce the rates of infetction to manageable levels.

FG are being rapidly exposed in this new phase and that too is annoying people who are remembering why they didn't vote for them only a few weeks before this started. If they don't announce sensible but less restrictive measures from the 5th, I think any remaining patience in most people (who aren't sick and are low risk anyway) will evaporate in the face of seeing their families mental and financial wellbeing desroyed for another decade.

We will hear about them before Wednesday. While I agree about the increase you know people were allowed to go and walk around

Cork Boy 53

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I've noticed a steady increase in local footfall and activity outside the window here in the last few days, cumulating yesterday in kids out playing and people walking around in the sunshine while a Garda strolled by without any issue with this.

Lockdown is effectively already over because the objective was achieved - allow the health service time to respond, get people's attention, and reduce the rates of infetction to manageable levels.

FG are being rapidly exposed in this new phase and that too is annoying people who are remembering why they didn't vote for them only a few weeks before this started. If they don't announce sensible but less restrictive measures from the 5th, I think any remaining patience in most people (who aren't sick and are low risk anyway) will evaporate in the face of seeing their families mental and financial wellbeing desroyed for another decade.

What would you consider as sensible measures? Give examples.

sterz

martingriff wrote: »

We will hear about them before Wednesday. While I agree about the increase you know people were allowed to go and walk around

What makes you think it'll be before Wednesday?

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

The nursing home scandal will turn out to be a massive stain on Leo and Simon.
They were looking in the wrong place for the virus (similar to Bandit Luke looking at the sweat left by joggers on the footpaths).

Sorry, I Just want to clarify it was Kermit de frog, not Bandit Luke who was talking about toxic joggers sweat on footpaths.
I got it wrong Bandit Luke, I apologise.

almostover

Gael23 wrote: »

The past few days are showing people won’t tolerate and more and have been pushed as far as they will go. Peoples illingness to cooperate is wearing thin

What's the alternative, let's all have our own interpretation of the guidlines and let the virus run rampant again? Kill another thousand or so in a short space of time? Well as long as I get a BBQ with a few mates it's worth the lives of 50 old people

martingriff

sterz wrote: »

What makes you think it'll be before Wednesday?

To get owners time to prepare there businesses and give a little bit of hope to people. I say we would have heard about it this weekend but with the increased football they have delayed it. I feel it is a mistake. Maybe say it this weekend to get people to give it 1 last push

Gael23

almostover wrote: »

What's the alternative, let's all have our own interpretation of the guidlines and let the virus run rampant again? Kill another thousand or so in a short space of time? Well as long as I get a BBQ with a few mates it's worth the lives of 50 old people

Clearly the lockdown merchants don’t care about people’s mental health and livelihoods going to ruin as a result of these measures

Jurgen Klopp

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I've noticed a steady increase in local footfall and activity outside the window here in the last few days, cumulating yesterday in kids out playing and people walking around in the sunshin.

I certainly hope you shouted out the window to ask their eircode or paddy green will be disappointed?

alwald

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I've noticed a steady increase in local footfall and activity outside the window here in the last few days, cumulating yesterday in kids out playing and people walking around in the sunshine while a Garda strolled by without any issue with this.

Lockdown is effectively already over because the objective was achieved - allow the health service time to respond, get people's attention, and reduce the rates of infetction to manageable levels.

FG are being rapidly exposed in this new phase and that too is annoying people who are remembering why they didn't vote for them only a few weeks before this started. If they don't announce sensible but less restrictive measures from the 5th, I think any remaining patience in most people (who aren't sick and are low risk anyway) will evaporate in the face of seeing their families mental and financial wellbeing desroyed for another decade.

I've noticed quite the opposite in the area where I live but it's quite interesting to know the differences.

Neighbors and people living in nearby roads/estates are acting with social distancing which is quite remarkable.

One neighbor, in his 70s, invited his sons/daughters for lunch today with their grand kids, all live within 2km from each other and it took place in the garden with clear social distancing...before any of the "anti lockdown merchants" will jump on this opportunity no I wasn't spying on him but I have him on facebook and he posted several photos himself.

JoeA3

almostover wrote: »

Let's just see how this post ages over the next few months. You don't perceive it to be a threat in your community? Do you have a medical degree or a specialism in virology? You might not feel worried or threatened by this pandemic but elderly residents of your community might. It's 10 more days at home. Grow a pair and get on with it

Another man who’s read what he wanted to read. You should get a gig with RTE news.

If I thought it was “just 10 more days” or if I believed the powers that be have any conviction in what they’re saying or a real plan of action, I’d row in with you. But I don’t.

I’m already bracing myself for Leo’s next grand speech. I wonder which poets he’ll quote from the teleprompter this time.

_Kaiser_

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

What would you consider as sensible measures? Give examples.

OK, how about:

- Social distancing remains but the 2km limit is removed

- Retail stores open but with the same practises supermarkets are currently operating

- Pubs and large venues stay closed. Restrictions on large gatherings

- People continue to WFH where possible

- Schools and childcare needs to be looked at ASAP so people can get back to work where kids are involved


... essentially we roll things back a few weeks with some modifications and we evaluate for a fortnight BUT there needs to be an acceptance that cases WILL increase in that time - however, so long as it's manageable by the health service, every effort should be made to avoid reimposing harsher restrictions.

I don't think the Government will have a choice. It's do that and retain some buy-in from the general public, or "lose control" of the situation completely (as is already starting to happen)

Downlinz

SusieBlue wrote: »

We can’t stay at home forever and if we don’t get people back to work we’re going to have a much worse problem in a few months time from the impact this is having on everyone’s mental health & quality of life.

Some serious rhetoric here I've seen repeated plenty.

We can stay at home, only making essential trips out for supplies for as long as is required, it's pretty easy actually. We don't need lattes or to go to bowling alleys.

The economic point is debatable. Most businesses are pretty happy at the moment with government paying their workers and shielding them from eating the costs of vastly reduced business, they certainly wouldn't appreciate that being removed until we reach a point where the majority feel confident to mingle in public again.
In terms of the national picture, a single lockdown with a steady recovery after is in all of our best interests. A lockdown - open - lockdown ping pong game serves nobody.

Not to be callous but in terms of mental health that's an issue for you to deal with. It's a pandemic, it's not a happy time and most people are going to feel the effects of it. If you're only bemoaning boredom and quality of life then I think you're fortunate it's not much worse to be mourning relatives in isolation or fighting for your own life.