Lockdown causing Suicides

Lonesomerhodes

One thing I have noticed is lockdown is causing so so many people to commit suicide. You may ask how its lockdown but well several articles from the UK and America it mentions the person putting lockdown on their suicide notes.God knows our brainwashing media never ever mention this one must sing the praises of lockdown and never mention Sweden.

I know of at least 4 suicides locally and my missus is a counsellor so she knows of many many more of course she can't speak of them as it's stickly confidential but its so very sad.

Isolation destroys mental health especially for the vunerable mentally. One must understand self isolation in prison is basically solitary confinement and its consided psychological torture. Prisoners hate it and do anything to escape it yet no one questions this!.

I also think the new legislation is unbelievably Draconian and far retching leading to ever more lockdown suicides. Of course those will condemn anyone questioning this callous legislation but I ask anyone to read it actually READ it and the last few pages about forced isolation are absurdly authoratarian.
Please READ it. Its callous cruel and far reaching. People supporting it are the turkeys voting for Christmas. Perhaps hardcore fascists at the back of it?. The legislation certainly is!.

I mean whats the point in people being proteted from covid19 if they are so depressed they commit suicide. Doesn't that defeat the purpose?.


https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2020/4/

dark crystal

Nobody's being locked in their home, people can still go outside for goodness sake.

It's always tragic when someone takes their own life, however to suggest it's all the fault of a passing cautionary measure is, quite frankly, ridiculous.

Anyone who goes to this extreme had issues before the 'lockdown' ever occured.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Haven't heard of any extra rise in suicides any links/sources???

krissovo

Were you one of the flag wavers at the courts?

RobbingBandit

I'm not holding it together to well to be honest I've had a few moments in the past couple of weeks as I've ****ty medical issues and other stuff going on talking doesn't help even with what limited access to support I have people ****ing on about how they can't believe people feel this way walk a step in my mobility boot and see how you feel it'll be like a mile in a shoe, **** everything and everyone is how I feel at the moment.

Lonesomerhodes

dark crystal wrote: »

Nobody's being locked in their home, people can still go outside for goodness sake.

It's always tragic when someone takes their own life, however to suggest it's all the fault of a passing cautionary measure is, quite frankly, ridiculous.

Anyone who goes to this extreme had issues before the 'lockdown' ever occured.

There are many many many articles online with siucides linked to lockdown. If isolation is a good thing why is it used in prisons as punishment? Think about it.

Its cruel and callous to those with mental health issues. Dont you understand this or comprehend that isolation can effect those with mental health issues in terribly awful negative ways.

How could you not understand this?.

Gatling

Not buying it at all op

suicide_circus

the policy was always going to have some collateral damage beyond economic

TheValeyard

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Its cruel and callous to those with mental health issues. Dont you understand this or comprehend that isolation can effect those with mental health issues in terribly awful negative ways.

What's cruel and callous is someone struggling to breathe on a ventilator where every breath is a gasp to survive, when simply staying indoors or isolating could save so many lives.

suicide_circus

TheValeyard wrote: »

What's cruel and callous is someone struggling to breathe on a ventilator where every breath is a gasp to survive, when simply staying indoors or isolating could save so many lives.

cant both be cruel at the same time?

Bit cynical

dark crystal wrote: »

Nobody's being locked in their home, people can still go outside for goodness sake.

It's always tragic when someone takes their own life, however to suggest it's all the fault of a passing cautionary measure is, quite frankly, ridiculous.

Anyone who goes to this extreme had issues before the 'lockdown' ever occured.

There is still increased social isolation due to the restrictions. Someone who lives alone and who may have worked prior to the virus will now see far fewer people in their daily lives.

devondudley

dark crystal wrote: »

Nobody's being locked in their home, people can still go outside for goodness sake.

It's always tragic when someone takes their own life, however to suggest it's all the fault of a passing cautionary measure is, quite frankly, ridiculous.

Anyone who goes to this extreme had issues before the 'lockdown' ever occured.

The whole response here smacks of arrogance and the last line is disgraceful. Three charities have come out today and said they have seen an increase in calls for depression anxiety and self harm.

Lonesomerhodes

RobbingBandit wrote: »

I'm not holding it together to well to be honest I've had a few moments in the past couple of weeks as I've ****ty medical issues and other stuff going on talking doesn't help even with what limited access to support I have people ****ing on about how they can't believe people feel this way walk a step in my mobility boot and see how you feel it'll be like a mile in a shoe, **** everything and everyone is how I feel at the moment.

A honest response. Please dont pay attention to those here who mock and jest suicide. Ignore the fear mongering media crap fear porn media. Hang on in there. All I can say is help is there my partner is out the door with counselling at the moment many counsellors like her are and doing remote counselling. Sunshine helps go for walk eat healthy and develop a routine. If need be my misus can speak to you too just drop me a message she does remote counselling dont worry about the money or charge helping another soul is more far important.
God bless take care.

Gynoid

Public health measures have to be tailored for the benefit of the many. Societal policy cannot be dictated by the needs of very few. We are experiencing serious restrictions to prevent a novel contagious virus from causing our health systems to be overwhelmed. I do not know what you are arguing in favour of. That public health measures designed to prevent affliction of the very many should be rescinded in case some very few commit suicide? That would be madness. Suicide is awful. It cannot be used to manipulate society.

Gynoid

Plus to be honest there are a lot of varieties of "counsellors" out there, many who should not be let near people suffering with mental issues.

Drumpot

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

There are many many many articles online with siucides linked to lockdown. If isolation is a good thing why is it used in prisons as punishment? Think about it.

Its cruel and callous to those with mental health issues. Dont you understand this or comprehend that isolation can effect those with mental health issues in terribly awful negative ways.

How could you not understand this?.

I suffer from Mental health issues, but I think I understand what the poster meant and I don't think it was intending to be cold.

The lockdown is not causing Suicides, different people react in different ways to different events in their lives. Some people have a higher tolerance of some things. Do all people who are abused turn to drugs or commit suicide ? No, some do and some dont.

Its the exact same with the lockdown, its harder for some people to come to terms with for numerous reasons. It has possibly triggered some things in some people who had been running from problems, alot of down time and alot of time to reflect on your life. Some people may not like what they see (not suggesting they are bad, more maybe they dont have the life they realised etc). Or maybe some people were already hanging by a thread as it was and this was the final straw. Others maybe worried about the financial ramifications.

In terms of the statement "whats the point of lockdown if some commit suicide", I am not sure what the thinking is here. The lockdown is for the greater good. But people can still go out, they can still talk to friends/family, they can still eat, drink and do alot of things that they normally do. I dont really understand the idea that we should consider reducing restrictions for non essential things because some people are committing suicide. Lockdown or no lockdown you need some sort of professional help if you are on the verge of taking your life. This help is available during the lockdown.

Once you place your happiness or sanity in the hands of a person, place or thing you are in trouble and need help if you are gonna take your life unless you get what you feel you need. I've learned that over the years with plenty of therapy and support groups, it takes along time to just accept where you are and be content with what you have. If some people cant accept the lockdown to the point that they are taking their lives, then they need help, not to go back to normal. Some could use this time as an opportunity to maybe address some issues they buried deep down and are only beginning to rise now that they have been forced to slow down, really could be a good thing but not an easy journey .

Drumpot

RobbingBandit wrote: »

I'm not holding it together to well to be honest I've had a few moments in the past couple of weeks as I've ****ty medical issues and other stuff going on talking doesn't help even with what limited access to support I have people ****ing on about how they can't believe people feel this way walk a step in my mobility boot and see how you feel it'll be like a mile in a shoe, **** everything and everyone is how I feel at the moment.

I attend regular support groups (not for everybody) , is there anybody you can have an honest conversation with about how you feel ? Even a friend who you trust will listen ?

Sometimes saying whats on your mind to an actual person who you dont think is waiting for you to finish talking, can make a huge difference. Bottling it up is toxic and leads me to feeling lonely . . After decades of therapy and support groups I still go back to bad habits . . But we are human, so forgiving ourselves and allowing ourselves to be vulnerable is important part of the healing . Take care

Lonesomerhodes

Gynoid wrote: »

Plus to be honest there are a lot of varieties of "counsellors" out there, many who should not be let near people suffering with mental issues.

Well my misus is far more qualifed than many hacks out there with her masters degree in psychology a h dip in counselling therapy and a h dip in cognitive behaviour studies and working in prisons in Rough foreign countries etc so I know her experience poops on others. When you counsel the worst it can make you the best.
Literally nothing phases you when you hear it all. Murder etc

Patd6

It's inevitable suicides will rise. On finances alone a lot of people will be pushed beyond breaking point as their livelihoods have been scuppered

Gatling

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Well my misus is far more qualifed than many hacks out there with her masters degree in psychology a h dip in counselling therapy and a h dip in cognitive behaviour studies

Sounds like an attempt to drum up business for the missus

RobbingBandit

It's more lack of options and uncertainty for many especially those with preexisting issues I'm done talking myself as it's heartbreaking trying to form strategies and build strength when there is no knowing when this will end and what the fallout will be but enough from me I'm just frustrated by the lack of options.

Gatling

RobbingBandit wrote: »

It's more lack of options and uncertainty for many especially those with preexisting issues I'm done talking myself as it's heartbreaking trying to form strategies and build strength when there is no knowing when this will end and what the fallout will be but enough from me I'm just frustrated by the lack of options.

Boards always have a list of real organisations you can contact if you need to ,

Gynoid

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Its cruel and callous to those with mental health issues. Dont you understand this or comprehend that isolation can effect those with mental health issues in terribly awful negative ways.

How could you not understand this?.

What do you suggest instead? An end to restrictions so that people with mental health issues can socialise? Using words like cruel and callous and 'terribly awful negative' strikes me as highly emotional and verging on the manipulative. Are you seriously suggesting that socialising for some few people trumps public health policy for the many? Actually I feel a bit cross with you so emotively and unrestrainedly using suicide and the threat of it as some kind of a battering ram. And suggesting that people who don't jump up on your band wagon are cruel and callous.

Brock Turnpike

Gynoid wrote: »

What do you suggest instead? An end to restrictions so that people with mental health issues can socialise? Using words like cruel and callous and 'terribly awful negative' strikes me as highly emotional and verging on the manipulative. Are you seriously suggesting that socialising for some few people trumps public health policy for the many? Actually I feel a bit cross with you so emotively and unrestrainedly using suicide and the threat of it as some kind of a battering ram. And suggesting that people who don't jump up on your band wagon are cruel and callous.

Agree completely with what you've said here. OP is undoubtedly a fan of the two you know who's. Literally stooping to the level of using suicidal people as an angle to try and justify their warped views.

dark crystal

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

A honest response. Please dont pay attention to those here who mock and jest suicide. .

Who has mocked suicide here? Please quote it.

Ignore the fear mongering media crap fear porn media

The only one peddling fear on here is you, likening the passing cautionary measures to isolation in prison. In prison, you can't go for a 2k walk/jog/cycle, or skype your friends and family, or do a weekly shop, or own a pet, or have a few beers whilst watching a movie, or eat whatever you want, when you want.

Your beseeching people to ignore the "fear mongering media" smacks of a deeper agenda, tbh and only serves to provoke paranoia in already vulnerable people.

Gynoid

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Agree completely with what you've said here. OP is undoubtedly a fan of the two you know who's. Literally stooping to the level of using suicidal people as an angle to try and justify their warped views.

It reminds me of those stories one hears where a person in a couple keeps the other in control by threatening suicide if they leave. I know where this has happened. Even where there was follow through. Makes me so cross. I know this lockdown is harder on some than others but fcuk it life is frigging hard and there are about a billion people in the world facing things right now that are so much worse than this lockdown. Dreadful illness, bereavement, disfigurement, paralysis, and so on. I know I am coming across as a bit hard but no way...no manipulation of public events with the suicide threat thing.

I don't think there needs to be a "lockdown to save lives" or "no lockdown to prevent suicide" type of discussion. Time and again I see peoples inability to hold many opinions and contrasting emotions at the one time. It is very interesting.
We need to have the restrictions in place. They are crucial to us fighting this blasted thing.
That doesn't mean it will be easy or people who are mentally vulnerable won't find themselves in a more precarious position.

To use myself as an example; I am an emotionally fit and stable individual. Sure my edges aren't smooth and I have my own story but I am resilient. The last while though has been a massive challenge. It feels like my life is on hold and in to that void goes all sorts of negative and irrational feelings. About two weeks ago I reached the bottom of it. For a second I wanted to die because I don't feel like I'm living.

That's my experience.

ChikiChiki

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

One thing I have noticed is lockdown is causing so so many people to commit suicide. You may ask how its lockdown but well several articles from the UK and America it mentions the person putting lockdown on their suicide notes.God knows our brainwashing media never ever mention this one must sing the praises of lockdown and never mention Sweden.

I know of at least 4 suicides locally and my missus is a counsellor so she knows of many many more of course she can't speak of them as it's stickly confidential but its so very sad.

Isolation destroys mental health especially for the vunerable mentally. One must understand self isolation in prison is basically solitary confinement and its consided psychological torture. Prisoners hate it and do anything to escape it yet no one questions this!.

I also think the new legislation is unbelievably Draconian and far retching leading to ever more lockdown suicides. Of course those will condemn anyone questioning this callous legislation but I ask anyone to read it actually READ it and the last few pages about forced isolation are absurdly authoratarian.
Please READ it. Its callous cruel and far reaching. People supporting it are the turkeys voting for Christmas. Perhaps hardcore fascists at the back of it?. The legislation certainly is!.

I mean whats the point in people being proteted from covid19 if they are so depressed they commit suicide. Doesn't that defeat the purpose?.


https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2020/4/

Bold statement, any facts or data that is showing an increase in suicide since the restrictions came into affect.

We had a severe problem with mental health and suicide before the restrictions.

freshpopcorn

Now I do believe people with mental health issues are being effected at this time and if somebody expresses they are upset or missing something,etc. Just be nice to them and reassure them and don't shot at them and say get over yourself.

I think the use of the word lockdown is being over used by some people. We can still go on a walk, exercise, to the shop(within reason), I even see places are selling cakes, takeaways,etc again. We aren't locked in the house for the week. Whilst we've restrictions we haven't a bad lock down compared to other countries. All this #we're in lockdown isn't helping.
Try and reassure people this is a problem at the moment but if we all do out part now we may be able to get some part of normality in the future.


Now I know some people are more social people than others and people telling you to read, learn a new language, watch tv, movies, etc can be frustrating but you've just to try and find something that to enjoy and try and make the most of it.

If you are concerned about somebody maybe you could ring them and try arrange others to ring them at other times.

Also Covid19 has killed a good few people in the country already and will kill more. I think suicides often happen after the death of a loved one. So by stopping the spread of this we may prevent suicides also.(Just a theory).

If you have issues you can still contact your GP or ring a helpline.

Lonesomerhodes

Gatling wrote: »

Sounds like an attempt to drum up business for the missus

Erm I said shes up to her eyes already and offered her sessions to a poster here completely for free why always twist everything under the sun? Havent asked for a cent. Not one.


As for legislation I dont agree with it; it exists at least til November its a real real shame no one will read it. I ask READ it. Just READ it and tell me it isnt draconian.

Why cant people actually READ official documents. Its only 19 pages.

Tell me it its not authoratarian.

Its just a real shame no one here will READ it.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2020/4/

Brock Turnpike

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Erm I said shes up to her eyes already and offered her sessions to a poster here completely for free why always twist everything under the sun? Havent asked for a cent. Not one.


As for legislation I dont agree with it; it exists at least til November its a real real shame no one will read it. I ask READ it. Just READ it and tell me it isnt draconian.

Why cant people actually READ official documents. Its only 19 pages.

Tell me it its not authoratarian.

Its just a real shame no one here will READ it.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2020/4/

Why are you attempting to use suicidal people as a way of furthering your odd beliefs?