Dublin Marathon 2020

Naked Lepper

average_runner wrote: »

I happy for the over 70's not to get the AZ vaccine, its uproven and not worth a gamble right now.

is there a way boards mods can put fact check warnings on mistruths when it comes to vaccines and covid?

API

Naked Lepper wrote: »

is there a way boards mods can put fact check warnings on mistruths when it comes to vaccines and covid?

It would probably be better to ban talking about them on the Sports threads and leave it to a discussion in After Hours etc. Even the researchers are learning new things about their vaccines and the different strains of Covid as time goes by.

The latest headline is that the research shows its unreliable against the South African strain...

''An improved formulation of the vaccine Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine that will help tackle the South African variant of disease should be ready by the autumn, scientists said yesterday. Professor Sarah Gilbert (left), lead researcher in the Oxford team, told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show that her team currently has 'a version with the South African spike sequence in the works' with hopes it will be ready to administer later this year. It comes after preliminary research showed that the Oxford jab (broadcaster Loyd Grossman receiving the Oxford AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, main) had a 'minimal effect' in protecting against mild disease caused by the variant in 2,000 volunteers. The study also appeared to show that the South African mutations will allow for ongoing transmission of the virus in vaccinated populations.''

j04

Hi All,

Is there any indication yet when they'll make a decision if the DCM will go ahead this year or not?

Cheers.

average_runner

Naked Lepper wrote: »

is there a way boards mods can put fact check warnings on mistruths when it comes to vaccines and covid?

Sorry there was nothing in my post based on false facts.
Its unproven due to the limit number of people over a certain age group in the trial


"
AstraZeneca’s Covid-19 vaccine should only be given to people aged under 65, Germany’s vaccine committee said in an update to its vaccine recommendation, citing a lack of sufficient data to recommend use in older age groups.
“There are currently insufficient data available to assess the vaccine efficacy from 65 years of age,” the committee said in the resolution made available by the German health ministry on Thursday."

py

j04 wrote: »

Hi All,

Is there any indication yet when they'll make a decision if the DCM will go ahead this year or not?

Cheers.

I'd a look at last year's cancellation and it was in the middle of May. I'd guess it will be around the same time this year when they'll make the announcement.

Burkie1203

py wrote: »

I'd a look at last year's cancellation and it was in the middle of May. I'd guess it will be around the same time this year when they'll make the announcement.

I think they might squeeze the time frame as late as possible. Late June or early July

rovers_runner

Burkie1203 wrote: »

I think they might squeeze the time frame as late as possible. Late June or early July

It won't be happening as DCC/DLRCC and AGS won't be signing off on the rco and insurance based on nphet and Govt recommendations.
No way anything in the country goes ahead with over 10000 people present this year.

Now if they have closed race series entries and kept the numbers fairly low there might be some hope for that... No way the main race happens though based on the balls they have made of the vaccine to date, having to apply for permits and insurance and forcing a decision in May is a no go.
Fingers crossed for 2022.

Cabaal

I'm approaching this year with the mindset that any races planned to be on this year, won't be.

Exceptions would be some mountain, trail races where the field is massively spread out and the likes of Connemara 100 which has a very small amount of people at the starting line and its massively spread out too.

No way Dublin will be happening in 2021, its way too large a starting line and its shoulder to shoulder too its so packed.

6run28

By current (conservative) estimates all adults should be vaccinated by Sept and 80% threshold reached during the summer. Wouldn't it go ahead then ?

robinph

6run28 wrote: »

By current (conservative) estimates all adults should be vaccinated by Sept and 80% threshold reached during the summer. Wouldn't it go ahead then ?

It's the needing to have confidence in that actually happening several month earlier which is the problem.

If the UK and other counties vaccination programs show provable reduction in transmission and cases in the next couple of months, and Ireland/ EU can get their hands on sufficient vaccines and show they can stick them in peoples arms at speed... then there is a slight possibility it could be confirmed to go ahead.

I think that it's a fairly safe bet that restrictions will be lifted such that events can go ahead by October, but that kind of limits the events to being loads of supporters in football stadiums where they are setup for loads of people and can sell the tickets for it at a moments notice. If the situation is safe you could fill out a stadium next week and no major problems with planning as it's all done already.

A big running event are more one offs in normal times and you need more advance notice to get all the permissions in place. Small events, like a parkrun, can move fairly quickly to restart once the conditions allow. Big events like supporters in a stadium can move quickly as they are designed for holding events every other week normally. Big annual events like a marathon or festival need more time to book everything.

6run28

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. I hope they can plan for it to go ahead and put in applications needed etc and then make the call closer to to time if feasible. Maybe forgo any costly pre-orders expenses like T- Shirts, medals..etc

Cabaal

6run28 wrote: »

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. I hope they can plan for it to go ahead and put in applications needed etc and then make the call closer to to time if feasible. Maybe forgo any costly pre-orders expenses like T- Shirts, medals..etc

While you and I wouldn't care about a lack of shirt or medal you'd find they'd be massive uproar if they didn't have any

robinph

Whilst the normal tshirt and medal orders would need to go in soon, there is potentially a desire among the manufacturers to just take any orders they can get so they might be able to delay things. Or not use some factory in China that then sticks it on a boat that takes 4 months to get here and use someone local instead. Will be a big ask to convince the masses just waiting to be outraged on Twitter/ Facebook/ Instagram about the lack of a tshirt and medal though.

Is there an equivalent setup to Trees Not Tees in Ireland?

If any changes can happen to how many things are done, then this year and next are the ones where it can happen and people will be far more open to changing how they do things. You'd also have the other sponsors missing out on getting their logo on the back of the tshirt for Dublin and many other races, so need to be selling them something else to get their name out there as they will also potentially not have any expos to sell their wares at a captive audience at either if any events go ahead this year.

6run28

Cabaal wrote: »

While you and I wouldn't care about a lack of shirt or medal you'd find they'd be massive uproar if they didn't have any

Yeah probably and it would be great if they had them as usual but if it is necessary and flagged to participants in advance then so be it. Some people will always be outraged. Nobody will be forced to enter. Winner still gets a medal so something for everyone to aim for !

The Davestator

Medals could be posted out to all finishers after. Would be an additional cost, but would mean that medals wouldn't have to be ordered early.

6run28

robinph wrote: »

Whilst the normal tshirt and medal orders would need to go in soon, there is potentially a desire among the manufacturers to just take any orders they can get so they might be able to delay things. Or not use some factory in China that then sticks it on a boat that takes 4 months to get here and use someone local instead. Will be a big ask to convince the masses just waiting to be outraged on Twitter/ Facebook/ Instagram about the lack of a tshirt and medal though.

Is there an equivalent setup to Trees Not Tees in Ireland?

If any changes can happen to how many things are done, then this year and next are the ones where it can happen and people will be far more open to changing how they do things. You'd also have the other sponsors missing out on getting their logo on the back of the tshirt for Dublin and many other races, so need to be selling them something else to get their name out there as they will also potentially not have any expos to sell their wares at a captive audience at either if any events go ahead this year.

I haven't seen that Trees not Tees before. It's a fantastic option! Sponsorship would be an issue for lack of Ts but where there's a will (and good ideas) there's a way

rovers_runner

A solution to the orders issue would be to advertise a refund option now.
Allow people opt out entirely or defer to 2022.


Let the remainder who opt in have their orders raised for the tshirts/medals/chips etc. for 2021.

If race is cancelled then their entry to race on itself rolls over to 2022 but the medal/tshirt is provided to them by post(virtual run), then they pay for the tshirt/medal again in 2022.

This is leaving the runner to take the slack for their own items and gives organizers a cushion so they aren't financially ruined if they commit to orders (bar a postage fee for virtual run items).

FinnC

Not fussed with a T-Shirt but I do like the beanie we have got the last few years!

aquinn

Cabaal wrote: »

I'm approaching this year with the mindset that any races planned to be on this year, won't be.

Exceptions would be some mountain, trail races where the field is massively spread out and the likes of Connemara 100 which has a very small amount of people at the starting line and its massively spread out too.

No way Dublin will be happening in 2021, its way too large a starting line and its shoulder to shoulder too its so packed.

So we all need to turn to mountain goats and ultra running training plans? Cool.

Treviso

Surely the biggest issue will be trying to get insurance to cover the race. There is no way the organisers will start any planning if there is any doubt of not being covered.

robinph

Treviso wrote: »

Surely the biggest issue will be trying to get insurance to cover the race. There is no way the organisers will start any planning if there is any doubt of not being covered.

Yes, if you are looking for insurance now to cover you for the cost of booking the portaloo hire and security staff wanting to be paid up front in the event of having to cancel.

If the event is allowed to go ahead in October though by changes to government restrictions there is no reason for there to be any major difference to insurance requirements...except for any clauses to cancel the event might have more get outs for the insurers having to pay out than you'd normally have seen and "acts of god" would be expanded to cover "global pandemic" more explicitly.

average_runner

robinph wrote: »

Yes, if you are looking for insurance now to cover you for the cost of booking the portaloo hire and security staff wanting to be paid up front in the event of having to cancel.

If the event is allowed to go ahead in October though by changes to government restrictions there is no reason for there to be any major difference to insurance requirements...except for any clauses to cancel the event might have more get outs for the insurers having to pay out than you'd normally have seen and "acts of god" would be expanded to cover "global pandemic" more explicitly.

Wimbledon did well out of that last summer!!!

Ross Runner

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYBlHnkDRpnDEc68RIZMIWr_z4zIByTYj

Here's a link to detailed videos of the course, could prove very valuable to first timers....

That's if it goes ahead, fingers crossed.....