Anyone willing to admit they're already starting to relax restrictions?

Podge201 · 25-04-2020 10:54am

The tour de France boys are out and well outside their 2km. If they kept single file to keep themselves less obtrusive but no out in doubles and peloton groups.

Away With The Fairies · 25-04-2020 10:55am

SusanC10 wrote: »

Just got word this morning that a friend's husband has now been hospitalised with this virus. Late 40s. No health problems previously. Would be fitter than most people our age that we know. No idea where he contracted it as working from home since end March.

Has he had any contact with the outside world at all in the past month. It's very hard to lock ourselves up, he would still need to go shopping at the very least. Or somebody brought the virus into the house, kids mixing outside, postman bringing mail, alot of home deliveries and packages lately (virus can be on the outside envelope or package if the delivery person sneezed). Everything brought into a house should be considered contaminated.

trapp · 25-04-2020 10:55am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Sad to hear, it can take up to 28 days to appear from reports I read early on when it was in China, fitness would help but there's reports coming out now that smokers are less likely to get it, France has gone as far as restricting sales of nicotine patches etc to pharmacy only and trial are under way with patients,

https://www.ft.com/content/1fe1dda2-bec5-426b-8cfc-a7c2e5a4b139

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-new-evidence-shows-nicotine-might-prevent-smokers-from-catching-coronavirus-2020-04-24

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52415793

Those mad for a cycle might be best off getting a box of Marlborough.

Dear oh dear oh dear

Not a clue.

Dont believe such nonsense my poor man.

drunkmonkey · 25-04-2020 10:56am

trapp wrote: »

Dear oh dear oh dear

Not a clue.

Dont believe such nonsense my poor man.

It doesn't appear to be fake news.

25-04-2020 10:56am

FVP3 wrote: »

It's a pretty insidious virus. A couple of people at work have it now, all housebound for the last 3-4 weeks, from a week before the full lockdown.

Surely they or someone in the house has been going shopping? You're not invincible when you go out for a walk either. Online deliveries are also a risk.

Risks during lockdown are certainly negligible compared to being out in society but there are still risks there all the same. Especially shopping and considering you are mixing with selfidh, inconsiderate ignoramouses of the likes witnessed in online forums.

Wibbs · 25-04-2020 10:57am

Deleted User wrote: »

Until they do. And they never thought it would happen to them. And sure they've been over to granny and gramps and now they feel terrible they could be responsible for their deaths.

It is still a minority of people who get seriously ill and a further minority who die from it. It's a tragedy if it's you or a loved one and that feels like a majority for you, but it's not.

Dont know about you, but I dont want to die or have my parents and elderly family die just because some clown doesnt see the point and has been going around coughing and sneezing all over everything.

Which is why I've been in strong support all along for people wearing masks in public indoor shared spaces. It would massively reduce that part. It's also visible, unlike hand washing.

This is it · 25-04-2020 10:57am

Dear, oh dear, oh dear. Deary me.

25-04-2020 11:00am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Sad to hear, it can take up to 28 days to appear from reports I read early on when it was in China, fitness would help but there's reports coming out now that smokers are less likely to get it, France has gone as far as restricting sales of nicotine patches etc to pharmacy only and trial are under way with patients,

https://www.ft.com/content/1fe1dda2-bec5-426b-8cfc-a7c2e5a4b139

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-new-evidence-shows-nicotine-might-prevent-smokers-from-catching-coronavirus-2020-04-24

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52415793

Those mad for a cycle might be best off getting a box of Marlborough.

Have you read the articles? They are restricting sales to protect dopes overdosing on nicotine, not because of a rush for the cure.

Away With The Fairies · 25-04-2020 11:00am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Sad to hear, it can take up to 28 days to appear from reports I read early on when it was in China, fitness would help but there's reports coming out now that smokers are less likely to get it, France has gone as far as restricting sales of nicotine patches etc to pharmacy only and trial are under way with patients,

https://www.ft.com/content/1fe1dda2-bec5-426b-8cfc-a7c2e5a4b139

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-new-evidence-shows-nicotine-might-prevent-smokers-from-catching-coronavirus-2020-04-24

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52415793

Those mad for a cycle might be best off getting a box of Marlborough.

28 days for the virus to show up??? Is that correct?

gmisk · 25-04-2020 11:03am

Tandey wrote: »

So your husband checked everywhere for water even under the back seats?

How long did he wait on the owner to come back? Lot of presumptions there.

Oh wait your right the dog had access to an invisible water bowl....ffs
He was there for 25 minutes he left with a security guard from the shopping centre waiting at the car and the other going to ask them to make an announcement in Tesco.

weldoninhio · 25-04-2020 11:03am

almostover wrote: »

Did you miss all the news about Italy and Spain over the last few weeks? What rock is it that you're living under?

The chances of you contracting maybe low but it's quite high for those working in the healthcare sector wholly end up treating selfish a**h*les like yourself.

The lockdown is crazy? I hear the WHO are paying good money for sound advice like that from highly qualified virologists like yourself

How many virologists are on NPHET?

Wibbs · 25-04-2020 11:03am

trapp wrote: »

Dear oh dear oh dear

Not a clue.

Dont believe such nonsense my poor man.

The statistical evidence so far shows it not to be such nonsense. In China, France, the UK, the US, they have found that in the same demographics adjusted for age and gender, smokers appear to be five times to ten times less likely to get this, or get it to the point where they need hospitalisation. Never mind that smokers will have worse lungs and hearts and worse clotting than the general population. They should be massively over represented, not massively under represented. Put it another way if any other drug or therapy or lifestyle was apparently showing that kind of prophylactic effect they'd be screaming from the rooftops about it.

25-04-2020 11:06am

Wibbs wrote: »

The statistical evidence so far shows it not to be such nonsense. In China, France, the UK, the US, they have found that in the same demographics adjusted for age and gender, smokers appear to be five times to ten times less likely to get this, or get it to the point where they need hospitalisation. Never mind that smokers will have worse lungs and hearts and worse clotting than the general population. They should be massively over represented, not massively under represented. Put it another way if any other drug or therapy or lifestyle was apparently showing that kind of prophylactic effect they'd be screaming from the rooftops about it.

Smokers are high risk and as such being extra vigilant. The evidence you suggest shows these measures are effective.

Besides, when you go into a hospital knowing there is a chance the doctors need to decide who lives or dies most people are going to lie when asked if they smoke to put themselves on equal footing as a non smoker.

Who gets the ventilator, smoker or non smoker?

weldoninhio · 25-04-2020 11:07am

smelly sock wrote: »

I think you are going to be disappointed when restrictions are relaxed.

Exactly, restrictions are going to be relaxed no matter what. The govt are facing into a period where they are going to have to start tapering down the €350 payment, businesses are already closing down, they need to keep the people onside, so it will be 100% relaxed, and should be already.

FVP3 · 25-04-2020 11:10am

Das Reich wrote: »

And the amount of people over 60 years old at the time (just after the Great War) and very small. And way more healthier than us with nearly no obese even watching things from just 30 years ago you would see people much more skinny.

They were, that is true. The reeling in the years for the 80s and 90s show that theres not that many over weight people. Were they healthier though? I am nearing 40 and not that fit but I can walk for miles and cycle to work ( when I did leave the house) most days which is 15km away. I would say most of the guys I work with at that age are reasonably fit.

When I was in my teens I knew very few 40 year olds who could climb one flight of stairs without nearly collapsing. Smoking you see. Kept em thin but unhealthy. I just assumed back then it was age.

FVP3 · 25-04-2020 11:13am

trapp wrote: »

Desar oh dear oh dear my poor friend will you ever stop posting such nonsense.

For most people who get it the illness will be mild.

Look at Tubridy for instance, back at work quite quickly.

Try and find your tinfoil my poor poor man.

WTF are you replying to? I merely give a simple fact - that two people I know, who have worked from home for weeks, have been diagnosed with the virus and you respond with the cretinous incoherent ramblings of a quarter wit.

I didn't say they weren't "back at work". Both kept working.

Tinfoil hat my arse. Learn to read.

SusanC10 · 25-04-2020 11:15am

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Has he had any contact with the outside world at all in the past month. It's very hard to lock ourselves up, he would still need to go shopping at the very least. Or somebody brought the virus into the house, kids mixing outside, postman bringing mail, alot of home deliveries and packages lately (virus can be on the outside envelope or package if the delivery person sneezed). Everything brought into a house should be considered contaminated.

I don't know the details as just got message this am. I know from previous messages that my friend (his wife) has being doing the Shopping and that he had been running in the mornings until he started to feel unwell.

It's kind of scary as he is the first person we actually know in person who has it. 2 friends were tested and negative and 1 friend was waiting to be tested but then the criteria changed and she was told that she wouldn't be tested.

drunkmonkey · 25-04-2020 11:19am

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you read the articles? They are restricting sales to protect dopes overdosing on nicotine, not because of a rush for the cure.

Yes I have, did you bother. Prevention is better than cure, ask a doctor if you don't believe me.

Nicotine could protect people from contracting the coronavirus, according to new research in France, where further trials are planned to test whether the substance could be used to prevent or treat the deadly illness.
https://www.france24.com/en/20200423-france-testing-whether-nicotine-could-prevent-coronavirus-1

Wibbs · 25-04-2020 11:27am

Deleted User wrote: »

Smokers are high risk and as such being extra vigilant. The evidence you suggest shows these measures are effective.

Nope. Impressive reframing though. This was seen in the very early days of the outbreak in Wuhan and in other Chinese cities affected. 50% of Chinese middle aged men are smokers, but under 10% of the middle aged men in the wards were smokers. The 30 years of (rightful) antismoking culture in the west has made few inroads there. But that campaign has primed you to negate any possible benefit in a rare case where smoking/nicotine displays one. It has before. You know anyone with ulcerative colitis? If you do it's pretty much a given they're not a smoker. Smoking shows a strong protective benefit in that condition. Some types of parkinsons too.

Smoking is still one of the worst things anyone can do to their health. It will kill 50% of users. This does not then logically mean there are no cases where it may be beneficial, or the main drug involved nicotine is. After all heroin and morphine addiction is desperately unhealthy, but without opioid drugs pain relief would be a hard road. Oh and next time when you go to your dentist, ask them to remove all cocaine related drugs from your treatment.

Besides, when you go into a hospital knowing there is a chance the doctors need to decide who lives or dies most people are going to lie when asked if they smoke to put themselves on equal footing as a non smoker.

Who gets the ventilator, smoker or non smoker?

The one most likely to have the better outcome. Simple as that. A 40 year old smoker with no other morbidities or the 40 year old obese diabetic with cardiovascular disease.

drunkmonkey · 25-04-2020 11:35am

Ha i've to go to the dentist in an hour, gonna get her to load me up on the good stuff.....

kippy · 25-04-2020 11:42am

Wibbs wrote: »

To be fair it is for the vast majority of people who catch Covid19 a "mild" illness. That is they either feel fine, or a bit low or "sick as a pig", but don't require medical treatment. That majority thins down the older people are, or how health compromised they are, even how male they are, like for pretty much any infection.

This is not the 1918 flu that killed healthy 25 year olds in the millions. It's certainly not like smallpox that killed between a third and half of those infected of all ages.

It's killing people you'd mostly "expect" it to kill. Old people are more likely to die than young, men die younger than women, the already sick with systemic conditions are more likely to die that those without them. That's who the virus is killing. Even then it's not killing half of any of those groups. Not even close. It's a nasty virus yes, but compared to the pandemics in human history it's cute little puppy.

Yes, we are incredibly lucky that the virus has not gotten the same mortality rates as previous pandemics. However it is extremely contagious. The point of the current restrictions is not just to reduce deaths but to ensure the health service are not overwhelmed and that serious infections are kept to a manageable level. This much should be obvious to anyone but clearly isn't.

JL555 · 25-04-2020 11:42am

weldoninhio wrote: »

Exactly, restrictions are going to be relaxed no matter what. The govt are facing into a period where they are going to have to start tapering down the €350 payment, businesses are already closing down, they need to keep the people onside, so it will be 100% relaxed, and should be already.

While I agree that they are probably getting increasingly nervous about the cost of this, and it will be bigger than we can imagine across all aspects of society, not just in monetary terms, I cannot see them relaxing the restrictions 100%. The spin is already in play, Varadkar has more or less let it out in the way he spoke yesterday. I predict a very small token easing only, nothing more.

kippy · 25-04-2020 11:45am

Nutty Nutritionist wrote: »

Hard facts from someone with relations working in the industry are still hard to swallow (for some). My family have less to do than this time last year...but let’s ignore that.

Keep your blinkers on.

With this deadly, killing virus, lets hang tight for the “second wave”.

You wouldn't know what hard facts were unless they came out of your behind.

Sono Topolino · 25-04-2020 11:45am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For all of you criticising people like me for occasionally going outside of the 2 km limit. Where is your evidence that this has made any difference to the infection rate? Do you have any hard data, or are you just relying on emotion?

Because I have seen one real report on 7000 cases that stated the risk of contracting the virus while outside was zero or very close to it.

If anyone has a reputable report or study that disproves the above, I would very much like to see it.

You idiots, graduates of Google University and Instagram College of Narcissism, who think you know more about this than the Chief Medical Officer of the HSE will be the reason this lockdown is prolonged. You were told to Stay the Fùck at Home, for your sake and the sake of your fellow citizens, and that’s what you should do unless and until you get a degree in Epidemiology and then you can debate the evidence.

Fall in line or take a running jump.

CoronaWatch · 25-04-2020 12:30pm

I'm so angry with people ignoring the restrictions. My mother and uncle are dead because of this virus and now i see people walking around ignoring the advice we all have to follow. Its even on this site. Here is what made me register. I am so angry with attitiudes like this. Visiting 3 aldis to buy gardening equipment during the virus lockdown. People going to holiday homes or having house parties. I hate them.

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SAMTALK · 25-04-2020 12:46pm

Tony Holohan and Simon Harris would do well to come here and get all the advice being dished out instead of getting their information from the experts.