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    #272
    Tell me how
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    Micky 32 wrote: »
    It beggars belief why you keep comparing Covid-19 to climate change in your various posts. Coved is nothing to do with climate change and it’s a far more serious emergency acutely than climate change ever will be. Did you see how many deaths in the USA, Italy, Spain?

    As for your 7% reduction in emissions I get the impression you’d be happy to see people kept in lockdown.

    I'm not surprised that you struggle to see the link between scientists warning on one topic being relevant when scientists are also warned on another. You've long displayed an incapacity, or unwillingness, to grasp the implication of long scale climate damage.

    Science and data should guide policy.


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    #273
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Climate action isn’t going to prevent things like this happening, idiotic way of thinking. I’d be much more concerned about the potential of something like this to wipe out human life than the ramblings of people who watched stuff like The Day After Tomorrow one too many times.

    In the real world, we have serious economic issues to overcome in the next few years. Hugging trees or saving the planet isn’t going to be one of them. Climate activists will of course be allowed to keep on shouting and screaming about it but nobody will be listening, at least for the next 2-4 years.


    I find this atitude strange, we should be looking at climate change to help us get out of recession


    You are aware of CO2 fines coming? are you aware that if we are below our targets we can then sell our remaining CO2 to other countries that are above. More or less we can name our price.....


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    #274
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    It beggars belief why you keep comparing Covid-19 to climate change in your various posts. Coved is nothing to do with climate change and it’s a far more serious emergency acutely than climate change ever will be. Did you see how many deaths in the USA, Italy, Spain?

    As for your 7% reduction in emissions I get the impression you’d be happy to see people kept in lockdown.


    We dont need lockdown to reduce 7%, a couple of weeks lockdown has dropped probably 9%. So small changes over the entire year will hit the requirements.....open your mind to the possibilites


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    #275
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I find this atitude strange, we should be looking at climate change to help us get out of recession


    You are aware of CO2 fines coming? are you aware that if we are below our targets we can then sell our remaining CO2 to other countries that are above. More or less we can name our price.....

    Mmm somehow I don’t think any “fines” are coming after the CV19 damage that has been done to economies worldwide, it simply will not be accepted by governments or the populace and you’d want balls of solid brass to even think of threatening countries with it.


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    #276
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Tell me how wrote: »
    I'm not surprised that you struggle to see the link between scientists warning on one topic being relevant when scientists are also warned on another. You've long displayed an incapacity, or unwillingness, to grasp the implication of long scale climate damage.

    Science and data should guide policy.

    No difference that you struggle to see the difference between a pandemic and climate change when they are totally unrelated. So stop talking nonsense and comparing the two.

    The pandemic in 1918 may have killed up to 100m people worldwide. Climate change will never do that because people will adapt.


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    #277
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    Micky 32 wrote: »
    No difference that you struggle to see the difference between a pandemic and climate change when they are totally unrelated. So stop talking nonsense and comparing the two.

    The pandemic in 1918 may have killed up to 100m people worldwide. Climate change will never do that because people will adapt.

    The relationship which I pointed out, is that scientists in both fields have warned about severe impacts through inaction and we have seen that they were entirely correct in relation to the pandemic.

    On the second bolded point, hopefully people will adapt to reduce climate change factors through excessive waste and destruction before it becomes an irreversible problem.


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    #278
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Data centres use a collosal amount of power for their footprint with many more on the way.

    Will the green party get rid of them or have they been mentioned?


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    #279
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Mmm somehow I don’t think any “fines” are coming after the CV19 damage that has been done to economies worldwide, it simply will not be accepted by governments or the populace and you’d want balls of solid brass to even think of threatening countries with it.


    I haven't seen anything to suggest it would be stopped, maybe but we will get a max 12 month extension, so the time is now to act


    Would you not agree?


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    #280
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Sorry the last question, I havent ignored, as I said if you build one off houses this affects local villages/towns.

    Not the question I asked but go on, how so?
    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Cities are growing, not sure why we are complaining because in reality Dublin is tiny compared to other major cities. I think I already mentioned public transport linking these villages/town would help, plus stopping then one off houses. That will help.

    Do you think the growth of cities effect the growth of rural towns or is it just one off houses?
    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Other issue I see is government, take Kerry for instance. Just an example, they continue to vote in the Healy Rae crowd. They have zero interest in trying to get companies to move to Kerry. I asked on a thread here and best they came up with was Fexco, which has nothing to do with Healy Rae. I do think this "politicians" do have questions to answer why companies are not moving outside of Dublin/Cork etc. THey will never answer as they get voted in year after year. I asked the questions of supporters here and they got the hump....

    Don't really see this as being all that relevant to be honest, I don't know a whole pile about the situation down in Kerry.

    If you say so chief, I'll go with you.
    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    If people are so interested in living in a one off house, why not buy some of the old ones and renovate them? so the house has a bit of character?

    Good point, they should, never said they shouldn't. In fact again I renovated an old house myself.

    But why outright ban people from building?
    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You accuse me of ignoring questions but you have yet to answer any of mine :P

    Haha just did answer them above, or perhaps you only want answers that agree with you not ones which challenge you?

    Anyway I'm flattered to see you're so interested in my opinions, sure ask anything you want there, I'll tell you everything you want to hear kitten :-)


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    #281
    Shefwedfan
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Data centres use a collosal amount of power for their footprint with many more on the way.

    Will the green party get rid of them or have they been mentioned?


    Not really :D


    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/facebook-data-centre-clonee-renewable-energy


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    #282
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I haven't seen anything to suggest it would be stopped, maybe but we will get a max 12 month extension, so the time is now to act


    Would you not agree?

    Nope I don’t. As we keep hearing, the way of life and normal we knew is gone - and along with that went whatever else was lined up when times were good. The new normality, whatever it looks like, will be much more focused on getting economies back on their feet and people back to work, while also fighting a hidden enemy who isn’t going to disappear overnight. Climate and everything to do with it isn’t even in the back seat now - it’s tied up and gagged in the trunk.


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    #283
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Tell me how wrote: »
    The relationship which I pointed out, is that scientists in both fields have warned about severe impacts through inaction and we have seen that they were entirely correct in relation to the pandemic.

    On the second bolded point, hopefully people will adapt to reduce climate change factors through excessive waste and destruction before it becomes an irreversible problem.

    Climate change won’t have the same impact of deaths as covid 19 so stop scaremongering with your alarmist comments by comparing the two, you’re talking nonsense.


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    #284
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Have we got hit with those daily water charges fines FG promised us?


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    #285
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    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Climate change won’t have the same impact of deaths as covid 19 so stop scaremongering with your alarmist comments by comparing the two, you’re talking nonsense.

    Listen. to. the. science.


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    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    Not the question I asked but go on, how so?



    Do you think the growth of cities effect the growth of rural towns or is it just one off houses?



    Don't really see this as being all that relevant to be honest, I don't know a whole pile about the situation down in Kerry.

    If you say so chief, I'll go with you.



    Good point, they should, never said they shouldn't. In fact again I renovated an old house myself.

    But why outright ban people from building?



    Haha just did answer them above, or perhaps you only want answers that agree with you not ones which challenge you?

    Anyway I'm flattered to see you're so interested in my opinions, sure ask anything you want there, I'll tell you everything you want to hear kitten :-)


    On the one off house, why outright ban them. Why do the need a one off house in the first place? as I said if they are so interested in building then buy and renovate. Plenty of houses around.



    Maybe you can explain to me, why do people need one off houses?


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    #287
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Listen. to. the. science.

    If the evidence in my lifetime presents itself like the world is going to end in ( was it 5 years some of the climate alarmist posters claimed? ) I might take a listen to the science ;)


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    #288
    Shefwedfan
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    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Nope I don’t. As we keep hearing, the way of life and normal we knew is gone - and along with that went whatever else was lined up when times were good. The new normality, whatever it looks like, will be much more focused on getting economies back on their feet and people back to work, while also fighting a hidden enemy who isn’t going to disappear overnight. Climate and everything to do with it isn’t even in the back seat now - it’s tied up and gagged in the trunk.


    Thats a very short term view and will actually hurt Ireland more than ever. Ireland has buried its head in the sand for years on climate and now your plan is to bury it deeper?


    What about restarting the economy by investing in green initiatives? have all the builders out putting solar panels onto roofs. Insulating houses, renovating houses and getting them onto the market to solve the housing issues.



    SO next year when the CO2 comes around we have loads of credits to sell and we can fire the money either back into the economy or pay off some of the bank Debt


    Also as we would be the shining light in Europe we could start to export our experience to other countries....I got solar PV installed, it was a Dublin registered company but the installers came down from the North and the specialist was flew in from the UK.....they done a great job but wouldnt it be great if Ireland had our guys flying around doing it?



    MNore of these companies: https://www.mainstreamrp.com/


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    #289
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,574 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    He doesn’t have anything - just nonsense as usual. Hopefully the greens are told where to stick their demands and we get a government without those imbeciles as a part of it.

    Well if the Greens don't play ball some sort of deal will be done with the independents. However, such an arrangement would be pretty precarious and much less to the liking of Martin in particular, so there will be a lot of bending over backwards to accommodate Green demands, no matter how unreasonable they seem...


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    #290
    Huntergonzo
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    On the one off house, why outright ban them. Why do the need a one off house in the first place? as I said if they are so interested in building then buy and renovate. Plenty of houses around.

    And I agree with that, that's a good idea.
    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Maybe you can explain to me, why do people need one off houses?

    Well that's an easy one, why does anybody need a house....to live in of course.


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    #291
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    Micky 32 wrote: »
    If the evidence in my lifetime presents itself like the world is going to end in ( was it 5 years some of the climate alarmist posters claimed? ) I might take a listen to the science ;)

    Well, you'll have to listen to them to know what they're saying. I'd take that as a massive step forward from your position up until now.


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    #292
    Ubbquittious
    Registered Users Posts: 6,231 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Hopefully if the greens get into power they'll end up being wrung out like a sponge just like the last time


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    #293
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    Hopefully if the greens get into power they'll end up being wrung out like a sponge just like the last time

    Hopefully, unless they take a more proactive approach to change then plenty of rural people could be wrung out to dry if they get their way!


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    #294
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    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    Hopefully if the greens get into power they'll end up being wrung out like a sponge just like the last time

    Why would you say hopefully?

    Do you not want to see action related to the environment and climate?


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    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Tell me how wrote: »
    I know that people need to live, socialise etc, but, this pandemic and the unpreparedness has shown us that the scientists need to be listened to.

    We need action on the climate.
    It's not complicated.

    For sure the scientists need to be listened to and I agree action on climate change is needed. I don't want the greens to lead the way on this though for us. Eamon Ryan is Fcuking cookoo. He'll have us travelling 10 a car or walking from sligo to Dublin for work.

    Are scientists and the professionals studying the icecaps right now to see if they are still melting during all this slow downs and lockdowns. Surely that will give us an indication if climate change is caused by humans.

    Edit to add: I don't like eamon ryans attitude to forming a government. He wants the two other parties to agree to a reduction in emissions before he even enters talks to form a government.


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    #296
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    For sure the scientists need to be listened to and I agree action on climate change is needed. I don't want the greens to lead the way on this though for us. Eamon Ryan is Fcuking cookoo. He'll have us travelling 10 a car or walking from sligo to Dublin for work.

    Are scientists and the professionals studying the icecaps right now to see if they are still melting during all this slow downs and lockdowns. Surely that will give us an indication if climate change is caused by humans.

    On the first point, why then wouldn't you argue for a change in Green leadership to facilitate the implementation of necessary change. Decrying the whole party and hoping they fail just because you think their party leader is excessive is very short sighted and detrimental to a cause you yourself believe in.

    On your second point, the cause and effect is much more drawn out than icecaps being affected by human action within a 2 month window.

    Data has shown though an improvement in air quality in cities which have big problems with combustion engine sourced pollution.


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    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    And I agree with that, that's a good idea.



    Well that's an easy one, why does anybody need a house....to live in of course.

    If they need a house then just buy one in a village of town....I didn’t say they couldn’t have a house


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    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Edit to add: I don't like eamon ryans attitude to forming a government. He wants the two other parties to agree to a reduction in emissions before he even enters talks to form a government.

    He is right, both FF and FG have fallen at the hurdle every time they have promised change. FG spent a full year telling everyone chnage would happen and they would have to make changes in budget 2018

    Come the day before the budget, someone shouted boo, Leo shat himself and everything dropped out, next day Leo was on tv talking about chnage in 2019

    The Greens should have it included and no way the FF and FG can move away, otherwise they will buckle and run away....

    The government is supposed to make the hard decision which are right for the country, FG have continued to show they are incapable of making those decisions under pressure


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    #299
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    If they need a house then just buy one in a village of town....I didn’t say they couldn’t have a house

    But what if they don't like living in towns so they decide to live in the country?


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    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Why would you say hopefully?

    Do you not want to see action related to the environment and climate?

    I’m sure he would as long as it doesn’t take his quality of life and freedoms from him.


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    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Plus I think the media play on Eamonn Ryan, they edit parts of his conversation to make him look nuts

    Case in point, the lettuce conversation, did anyone actually listen to his full point? That the point was about mental health and keeping people occupied by letting them into hardware stores so they could paint, and maybe grow fruits etc....but only a snippet was played


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