Green Party wish list.

Thelonious Monk

Begorrah go way with your facts and figures

Micky 32

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Begorrah go way with your facts and figures

Yes based on being living in the countrside. Did i tell you the air is lovely and fresh down here?

Regarding polution of rivers, you need to look closer to home, that Liffey is disgusting. Maybe stop flushing your toilet for a start.

Thelonious Monk

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yes based on being living in the countrside. Did i tell you the air is lovely and fresh down here?

Regarding polution of rivers, you need to look closer to home, that Liffey is disgusting. Maybe stop flushing your toilet for a start.

Dont know where you are in the country but parts of rural Ireland have terribly polluted air

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/solid-fuel-burning-to-blame-as-letterkenny-has-higher-levels-of-air-pollution-than-new-delhi-971995.html

Cona

If there is one thing that should be taken from the COVID crisis, is just how corrupt and misleading the media are. Constant fake news, misleading articles and simply just news media put out to help a particular cause. "Maybe you should use Google" is quite a dangerous phrase these days as you go looking for info you are now presented with a wealth of fake news, lies or simply misunderstood data presented by so called 'experts'.

Please dont believe something just because it has been posted on a news article.

Thelonious Monk

Cona wrote: »

If there is one thing that should be taken from the COVID crisis, is just how corrupt and misleading the media are. Constant fake news, misleading articles and simply just news media put out to help a particular cause. "Maybe you should use Google" is quite a dangerous phrase these days as you go looking for info you are now presented with a wealth of fake news, lies or simply misunderstood data presented by so called 'experts'.

Please dont believe something just because it has been posted on a news article.

So you think the Environmental Protection Agency are liars? I linked to their reports.

Micky 32

Cona wrote: »

If there is one thing that should be taken from the COVID crisis, is just how corrupt and misleading the media are. Constant fake news, misleading articles and simply just news media put out to help a particular cause. "Maybe you should use Google" is quite a dangerous phrase these days as you go looking for info you are now presented with a wealth of fake news, lies or simply misunderstood data presented by so called 'experts'.

Please dont believe something just because it has been posted on a news article.

Exactly this.

Thelonious Monk

F*cking nutters. I'm out.

Micky 32

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So you think the Environmental Protection Agency are liars? I linked to their reports.

Maybe the media that’s reporting it maybe liars . We have learned that lately. They like to twist things. They may have compared pollution figures with Nu Dehli on hot summers day vs. -5 degrees in winter in Lettekenny.

Micky 32

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

F*cking nutters. I'm out.

Lol

paw patrol

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So you think the Environmental Protection Agency are liars? I linked to their reports.

you think they are above reproach and cant have an agenda?
thats naive.

People say the same about universities, professors and PHD w@nkers.
But as we see slowly but surely their opinions are sometimes sold to the highest bidder.

Rows Grower

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yes based on being living in the countrside. Did i tell you the air is lovely and fresh down here?

Regarding polution of rivers, you need to look closer to home, that Liffey is disgusting. Maybe stop flushing your toilet for a start.

Hah, hah, Micky is taking no **** and flushing out the bluffers.

Alf Veedersane

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yes based on being living in the countrside. Did i tell you the air is lovely and fresh down here?

Not as clearly as you think. Example from the Air Quality In Ireland report for 2018.

Solid fuel heating is a big problem for PM2.5, which has a significant impact on human health.

Thelonious Monk

Rows Grower wrote: »

Hah, hah, Micky is taking no **** and flushing out the bluffers.

So you believe the Environmental Protection Agency are lying about our water quality?

Rows Grower

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So you believe the Environmental Protection Agency are lying about our water quality?

LOL, thought you were gone bluffer?

Micky 32

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So you believe the Environmental Protection Agency are lying about our water quality?

No complaints of my water quality anyway. Makes lovely tea ;-) oh by the way my teabags are biodegradable;-)

Micky 32

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Not as clearly as you think. Example from the Air Quality In Ireland report for 2018.

Solid fuel heating is a big problem for PM2.5, which has a significant impact on human health.

Air quality will never be perfect regardless. I know plenty of asthmatics and cystic fibrosis, they are doing fine. Air quality down here isn’t a hinderance to them.

Alf Veedersane

Micky 32 wrote: »

Air quality will never be perfect regardless. I know plenty of asthmatics and cystic fibrosis, they are doing fine. Air quality down here isn’t a hinderance to them.

PM2.5 is a problematic pollutant and is caused primarily by solid fuel heating. Solid fuel heating is more prevalent outside of cities.

Micky 32

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

PM2.5 is a problematic pollutant and is caused primarily by solid fuel heating. Solid fuel heating is more prevalent outside of cities.

There’s no alternative. But i’m guessing it’s the treehugger way cut their throats and let them freeze to death for my green cabbage patch.

Like i said i know a few people with lung issues and the air isn’t bothering them.

Solid fuel burning is a lot less these days, mostly oil/gas. I don’t burn solid fuel.

Alf Veedersane

Micky 32 wrote: »

There’s no alternative. But i’m guessing it’s the treehugger way cut their throats and let them freeze to death for my green cabbage patch.

Like i said i know a few people with lung issues and the air isn’t bothering them.

Solid fuel burning is a lot less these days, mostly oil/gas. I don’t burn solid fuel.

No I'm just pointing out a fact because your post suggested the air was cleaner in 'the countryside' and I've said that that isn't necessarily true.

You know a few people with lung issues and as far as you know the air hasn't been an issue for them but it's very difficult to say it won't have a chronic health effect. Hopefully it doesn't.

But PM2.5 has an impact on human health and solid fuel heating is the primary generator and that is more prevalent outside of cities. Maybe not in your location. I'm not spinning it anyway just presenting a fact.

Not sure what cutting throats, treehuggers or cabbages has anything to do with the fact.

Redgirl82

Cona wrote: »

If there is one thing that should be taken from the COVID crisis, is just how corrupt and misleading the media are. Constant fake news, misleading articles and simply just news media put out to help a particular cause. "Maybe you should use Google" is quite a dangerous phrase these days as you go looking for info you are now presented with a wealth of fake news, lies or simply misunderstood data presented by so called 'experts'.

Please dont believe something just because it has been posted on a news article.

Long live Trump

Water John

So that all those who support going to net zero carbon begin to doubt themselves and begin to believe those posters here who think they're crackpots, take at look at the Liberal Conservative Think Tank; Bright Blue. It's advocating that the UK should be carbon neutral by 2050 and in series of essays sets out the arguements.

https://brightblue.org.uk/net-zero-more-urgent-than-ever-for-government-and-business/

Tell me how

Cona wrote: »

If there is one thing that should be taken from the COVID crisis, is just how corrupt and misleading the media are. Constant fake news, misleading articles and simply just news media put out to help a particular cause. "Maybe you should use Google" is quite a dangerous phrase these days as you go looking for info you are now presented with a wealth of fake news, lies or simply misunderstood data presented by so called 'experts'.

Please dont believe something just because it has been posted on a news article.

Quite telling that this is one of the most thanked posts over the last couple of days.

Where do you get the information which helps you to form an opinion?
Be specific please.

Micky 32

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

No I'm just pointing out a fact because your post suggested the air was cleaner in 'the countryside' and I've said that that isn't necessarily true.

You know a few people with lung issues and as far as you know the air hasn't been an issue for them but it's very difficult to say it won't have a chronic health effect. Hopefully it doesn't.

But PM2.5 has an impact on human health and solid fuel heating is the primary generator and that is more prevalent outside of cities. Maybe not in your location. I'm not spinning it anyway just presenting a fact.

Not sure what cutting throats, treehuggers or cabbages has anything to do with the fact.

The overall air in the countryside without doubt is cleaner. I’m guessing you live in Dublin. I can tell the difference in air quality everytime i visit Dublin. It’s quite noticable.

Alf Veedersane

Micky 32 wrote: »

The overall air in the countryside without doubt is cleaner. I’m guessing you live in Dublin. I can tell the difference in air quality everytime i visit Dublin. It’s quite noticable.

That's very subjective and I'm not sure how you have determined air quality there.

I'm from down the country and visit regularly. I don't find an improvement.

Water John

Many towns are worse off since Harney banned the smoky coal in larger cities, against many vested interests, at the time.
We heard all the fire grates would burn, not heat from alternative fuel etc.
How many lives were saved?

Alf Veedersane

Water John wrote: »

Many towns are worse off since Harney banned the smoky coal in larger cities, against many vested interests, at the time.
We heard all the fire grates would burn, not heat from alternative fuel etc.
How many lives were saved?

There was a study published in The Lancet, I think, that suggested a reduction of 116 respiratory deaths and 243 cardiovascular deaths per year in Dublin after the the ban in Dublin.

Thelonious Monk

I remember being a kid in primary school must have been about 1990 and I could barely breath with all the smog in the air, wheezing cough etc, in Northside Dublin. It's amazing what no brainer decisions can achieve regardless of dinosaurs trying to stop them.

Micky 32

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I remember being a kid in primary school must have been about 1990 and I could barely breath with all the smog in the air, wheezing cough etc, in Northside Dublin. It's amazing what no brainer decisions can achieve regardless of dinosaurs trying to stop them.

Lol big difference from the countrtside. I never remember coughing and wheezing in the 90’s, or anyone else for that matter, oh maybe a heavy smoker ;-)

Micky 32

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

That's very subjective and I'm not sure how you have determined air quality there.

Well according to the monk he was able to tell with all the coughing and wheezing he was doing in the 90’s. I agree with him there about Dublin.

The air to me feels so much better here after i have been in Dublin. I notice it a lot.

eastie17

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So we can just keep producing things infinitely? And just keep hoovering up all resources and destroying the earth? We can keep polluting our waterways in Ireland? We can keep growing animal agriculture at the expense of everything else on the planet?
Just 20 of our rivers in Ireland are considered pristine as opposed to 500 in the 1980s. You're ok to continue on as is until we've no clean rivers?
I didn't know the Healy Raes posted on this site.

Got a source for that stat?