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It's also because Ireland is full of people who don't want to face change and too used to their comforts over the past 30 odd years.
Truth is our infrastructure (across the board) could be so much better with some lateral thinking and collectiveness. Look at the Dunkettle interchange or the fiasco which is metro north. They have their next excuse to half progress (once again)
Why should anyone give up their comforts they are used to the last 30 years ? Are there alternatives for the sacrifices? Or like the rest of the cult cut their throats and make the less well off poorer and take their freedoms away to satisfy the materialistic treehuggers. Car pooling? Lol0 -
Thats a totally ridiculous statement to make. Everyone would like a greener Ireland.
The problem with the Green's policies is that as an end goal they are perfect, but their policies dont take into account the path to that end goal. Nor the immense cost.
The green party wants everyone to use public transport. Most towns in Ireland dont have public transport.
The Green solution is stop maintaining roads, or building new ones and tax the bejesus out of those using cars because they have no alternative.
Are they going to provide public transport in all large towns?
The Green want us all to switch to Electric cars. Everyone would if they could afford to buy one. So the green policy in effect crucifies a person for not being rich, without giving them a viable option to afford a electric car.
The Green want to get rid of all fossil fuel power stations. I think everyone would agree as an end goal that is a worth while target. But for the Green's it doesn't have to happen over a few decade period or in a phased and orderly way, it has to happen now. Where is all the electricity going to come from to charge all the electric cars?
The problem with the Green is that they are putting the cart before the horse.
If you live in a city then yes persuade people to use public transport if they can. But the Green policy make absolutely no provision for those that cant.
The other problem with the Green policies is not one single item in the 7 documents they released for their manifesto has been costed. Not a single item has been given an estimated timeline for delivery.
Their policies are about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
What is need is not end goals but policies that transition us to those end goals.
Read the Green party's manifesto. Not once do they suggest an interim measure that leads to the final goals.
We have a housing crisis and we need at least 140,000 homes to clear the waiting lists, we need affordable rental accommodation, and student accommodation as well. You will not hear one single party suggesting that we should spend whatever it takes to buy or build that accommodation because it simply is not feasible in the term of one government.
Yet the Green's are demanding that we fix all our environmental issues within 10 years, an equally unfeasible and unachievable goal.
You suggest to me how that can be done, how much it will cost, and where the money to do it comes from and then I might start listening. Until then what the Green's are suggesting is complete lunacy.
I do agree we need to be greener, and we can definitely do that, but in order to do that we have to have government policies that lead to those goals in an achievable way.
You want people to stop using cars give them an alternative, but dont crucify those who you have not provided with an alternative.
The same with fossil fuels. You want rural homes to stop burning turf, coal or oil, then provide them with an alternative, but if there is no alternative available to them, dont tax the bejesus out of them until that alternative is available.
The green party don’t give a toss about anyone outside cities, they’ll burn them to get their policies through. Thankfull will never happen.0 -
Hawkeye9212 wrote: »Can't wait for the new train line to be built alongside the N56 in Donegal. A waste of time and money.
No idea what the N56 is but are you saying a train line from letterkenny to Dublin vis navan and one via Belfast wouldn’t help connect the whole North east0 -
Mod: @Paddygreen - even by the relaxed standards in CA/IMHO, your posts can hardly be called a contribution. Take 24 hours awy from the thread - if you return and post along the same lines ,you'll be threadbanned.0
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Thats a totally ridiculous statement to make. Everyone would like a greener Ireland.
The problem with the Green's policies is that as an end goal they are perfect, but their policies dont take into account the path to that end goal. Nor the immense cost.
The green party wants everyone to use public transport. Most towns in Ireland dont have public transport.
The Green solution is stop maintaining roads, or building new ones and tax the bejesus out of those using cars because they have no alternative.
Are they going to provide public transport in all large towns?
The Green want us all to switch to Electric cars. Everyone would if they could afford to buy one. So the green policy in effect crucifies a person for not being rich, without giving them a viable option to afford a electric car.
The Green want to get rid of all fossil fuel power stations. I think everyone would agree as an end goal that is a worth while target. But for the Green's it doesn't have to happen over a few decade period or in a phased and orderly way, it has to happen now. Where is all the electricity going to come from to charge all the electric cars?
The problem with the Green is that they are putting the cart before the horse.
If you live in a city then yes persuade people to use public transport if they can. But the Green policy make absolutely no provision for those that cant.
The other problem with the Green policies is not one single item in the 7 documents they released for their manifesto has been costed. Not a single item has been given an estimated timeline for delivery.
Their policies are about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
What is need is not end goals but policies that transition us to those end goals.
Read the Green party's manifesto. Not once do they suggest an interim measure that leads to the final goals.
We have a housing crisis and we need at least 140,000 homes to clear the waiting lists, we need affordable rental accommodation, and student accommodation as well. You will not hear one single party suggesting that we should spend whatever it takes to buy or build that accommodation because it simply is not feasible in the term of one government.
Yet the Green's are demanding that we fix all our environmental issues within 10 years, an equally unfeasible and unachievable goal.
You suggest to me how that can be done, how much it will cost, and where the money to do it comes from and then I might start listening. Until then what the Green's are suggesting is complete lunacy.
I do agree we need to be greener, and we can definitely do that, but in order to do that we have to have government policies that lead to those goals in an achievable way.
You want people to stop using cars give them an alternative, but dont crucify those who you have not provided with an alternative.
The same with fossil fuels. You want rural homes to stop burning turf, coal or oil, then provide them with an alternative, but if there is no alternative available to them, dont tax the bejesus out of them until that alternative is available.
Ok a couple of things. I listened an interview with Ryan a few weeks back. Can't remember what station it was on but he was saying it is not a us v them. You should be looking down on someone because they can't do XYZ while you can.
So that covers a lot of your points above. In terms of cars he mentioned he drives a really old converted diesel. So he doesn't drive a fancy new electric. I didn't hear him say you had to buy one either.
We have a location crisis. We don't have houses in Dublin but plenty around the country. I talk daily to people in UK. Once they are on good wages they all move out of London. A 1-2 hour trip daily on a train into London is standard. Of course not now due to virus. But why not invest in train to the likes of Cavan and other town outside Dublin. Then people can commute into Dublin? that would reduce the housing crisis straight away.
The answer of "just build more houses" is short term and at this stage is starting to look idiotic for Ireland. We just don't have enough land.
In terms of alternatives, how long have the grants been available on electric cars? heat pumps? increased insulation? housing retrofit etc?
I am not saying the SEAI system need a full rehaul but these are available. Are they been used?
You seem to be rehashing a lot of historically view on Greens without listening to current proposal. I read over this thread and I only seen one poster mention about waiting till we see what the maths are on this. We haven't seen it yet but thousands of posts about "Someone think of the children" type posts.
From my point of view, the Greens seem more intelligent to your standard politician. So maybe they have all this worked out? if they don't then I would expect the other parties will quickly work that out.....
I can't see FF and FG going into government if the Greens proposal are back of a fag box numbers which was clearly the approach from Sinn Fein.0 -
Ok a couple of things. I listened an interview with Ryan a few weeks back. Can't remember what station it was on but he was saying it is not a us v them. You should be looking down on someone because they can't do XYZ while you can.
So that covers a lot of your points above. In terms of cars he mentioned he drives a really old converted diesel. So he doesn't drive a fancy new electric. I didn't hear him say you had to buy one either.
We have a location crisis. We don't have houses in Dublin but plenty around the country. I talk daily to people in UK. Once they are on good wages they all move out of London. A 1-2 hour trip daily on a train into London is standard. Of course not now due to virus. But why not invest in train to the likes of Cavan and other town outside Dublin. Then people can commute into Dublin? that would reduce the housing crisis straight away.
The answer of "just build more houses" is short term and at this stage is starting to look idiotic for Ireland. We just don't have enough land.
In terms of alternatives, how long have the grants been available on electric cars? heat pumps? increased insulation? housing retrofit etc?
I am not saying the SEAI system need a full rehaul but these are available. Are they been used?
You seem to be rehashing a lot of historically view on Greens without listening to current proposal. I read over this thread and I only seen one poster mention about waiting till we see what the maths are on this. We haven't seen it yet but thousands of posts about "Someone think of the children" type posts.
From my point of view, the Greens seem more intelligent to your standard politician. So maybe they have all this worked out? if they don't then I would expect the other parties will quickly work that out.....
I can't see FF and FG going into government if the Greens proposal are back of a fag box numbers which was clearly the approach from Sinn Fein.
You really need to get out in the real world a bit more.
When you were reading over the thousands of posts did you notice how you replied to being called a liar and can you explain what that picture means in words?
Do you accept you are a liar?"Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."
Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.
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no it doesnt, not even in the slightest. My point is simple, you cant penalise people for using a Non Green alternative if that Green alternative is not available to them.Ok a couple of things. I listened an interview with Ryan a few weeks back. Can't remember what station it was on but he was saying it is not a us v them. You should be looking down on someone because they can't do XYZ while you can.
So that covers a lot of your points above. In terms of cars he mentioned he drives a really old converted diesel. So he doesn't drive a fancy new electric. I didn't hear him say you had to buy one either.
Do you consider it reasonable to increase taxes and levies on a person using a car because there is not a public transport alternative in their area available to them?
Do you consider it reasonable to tax a home owner in a rural areas because they use turf coal or oil to heat their home when again they have no alternative or can not afford the required upgrades?We have a location crisis. We don't have houses in Dublin but plenty around the country. I talk daily to people in UK. Once they are on good wages they all move out of London. A 1-2 hour trip daily on a train into London is standard. Of course not now due to virus. But why not invest in train to the likes of Cavan and other town outside Dublin. Then people can commute into Dublin? that would reduce the housing crisis straight away.
The answer of "just build more houses" is short term and at this stage is starting to look idiotic for Ireland. We just don't have enough land.
That is part of my point. Put those alternatives in place and people will use them because they are there not because the Green have imposed carbon levies. But you cant simply start taxing people for commuting by car if there is no alternative in place first.In terms of alternatives, how long have the grants been available on electric cars? heat pumps? increased insulation? housing retrofit etc?
I am not saying the SEAI system need a full rehaul but these are available. Are they been used?
Those grants are there but they are useless to most people. If you cant afford the bulk of the cost of the required upgrades, then these grants are totally useless to you.
How many families can afford to sell their petrol or diesel car and afford to buy a new or relatively new electric vehicle? S the Green solution is to tax the poor so that wealthier people can enjoy the benefits of a greener environment. Hardly fits with the Green party claim to be a socialist party does it?
Why not increase the grants, or provide a scheme so that people can pay for these Green upgrades over a longer period of time?
Someone on a low wage is hardly likely to have any success walking into the bank asking for a €10k loan are they?
Yet the Green not once in all their documents not once propose anything to help those who could not afford an electric vehicle or upgrade to their home., and I have read them all by the way but it appears you haven't,
The way it works if you want something to happen is you propose what you want to do, how you will do it, and how much it will cost.You seem to be rehashing a lot of historically view on Greens without listening to current proposal. I read over this thread and I only seen one poster mention about waiting till we see what the maths are on this. We haven't seen it yet but thousands of posts about "Someone think of the children" type posts.
From my point of view, the Greens seem more intelligent to your standard politician. So maybe they have all this worked out? if they don't then I would expect the other parties will quickly work that out.....
I can't see FF and FG going into government if the Greens proposal are back of a fag box numbers which was clearly the approach from Sinn Fein.
The green have a fairy tale wish list that does not even attempt to answer how
they intend these changes are going to be implemented or transitioned to, nor even a estimate of their cost. Is it any wonder that these policies are dismissed by all other leading parties.
Like I have previously stated in my earlier post. The green proposal are a good end goal, what they do not explain is any policy that will get us to that end goal, or how much it will cost. Where are the transition or interim measures?
Its fairly land stuff to be honest. You want to defend the Green policies than argue your case, show me how we can implement these polices without crucifying the poorest people in the country, how much it will cost, and how long it will take.
If you cant do that then you argument for Green policies is not only useless but pointless as well.0 -
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On cars, its not country v city. IN reality it should be combustion v alternative. The problem for the people that need a combustion engine is that the people who don't need one are a bit thick. Please note I am one of the thick ones. So the question is how do you move people from combustion to alternative fuels while trying to protect the people that actually need it. I have yet to see anyone come up with an idea. So like most government the answer is tax. Please note I have friends who live in the countryside that do less mileage compared to me and I am city based.
The SEAI system needs a complete overhaul. It is set up to benefit the contractor and not the home owner. It is worth noting a carbon tax increase just came in and had nothing to do with Greens. Carbon tax is not going to disappear just because the Greens are not in government.
I don't see anything fairytale in plans. Companies all over Ireland are moving to zero carbon. VW has moved to try and put production line to zero carbon. Asking someone to put a solar panel on the roof is hardly going to kill them?
From the interview I seen, the Greens said we need to put a plan in place but they don't expect Ireland to suddenly spend billions and hit targets next year. It could be 3-4 years away. Not so scary is it?0 -
The Greens Policy on Open Borders and Mass Immigration are a total contradiction of every other policy the Greens have ! ! !0
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Carbon tax is not going to disappear just because the Greens are not in government.
Why not?
That's exactly what SF have proposed if they get into government.
Their argument is a valid one. Taxing people is a very poor way of persuading people to switch. Would it not be more beneficial to actually make it easier for people to make the switch?
Not everyone can afford to replace their car, but if there was a cost effective way in place such as long term affordable loans available to all no matter what their income then everyone would switch. The problem is that almost ever car owner would switch tomorrow morning if they could, but they don't have the money to buy an electric car and the lower paid have no hope of getting a loan from the bank large enough. The unintended consequence of carbon taxes is you tax the least well off and because they now have even less disposable income its going to take longer for them to be in a position to get an electric car. Carbon taxes end up delaying the switch to electric vehicles.I don't see anything fairytale in plans. Companies all over Ireland are moving to zero carbon. VW has moved to try and put production line to zero carbon. Asking someone to put a solar panel on the roof is hardly going to kill them?
How much would it cost for most families to put solar panels on their roof. For many it will be far more than they have in savings or more than they can borrow from the banks even with the grants.
Again instead of taxing the bejesus out of those that cannot afford to install them, make it easier for them to get the finance to do so.
Also allow people to sell back their surplus electricity to the ESB. There is a double benefit to this, first that surplus brings down the yearly cost of heating a home, and secondly and probably more important you reduce the use of fossil fuel electric generation stations as they do not have to produce as much electricity.
If a family's heating bill is reduced by installing solar panels because they sell back their surplus, this makes it more affordable to those who currently cant afford to do so.From the interview I seen, the Greens said we need to put a plan in place but they don't expect Ireland to suddenly spend billions and hit targets next year. It could be 3-4 years away. Not so scary is it?
What the Green are proposing will take far longer that 3 to 4 years.
Yes we should get rid of the fossil fuel electric generation stations but are you seriously suggesting that can be done in a matter of 4 or 5 years?
In the meantime while we wait years and probably a decade or more for these power station to be replaced, people are going to be charged ever increasing carbon taxes despite having no choice of who they get their power from, or whether the power they buy is green energy or fossil fuel energy. I know there are companies that as selling electricity that pledge all the energy they sell is green energy, but there simply is not the capacity for them to supply everyone.
Surely the fair and sensible approach would be not to have the consumer pay these levies but the producer of the electricity pay these levies if they are using fossil fuels.
If a producer's business costs and electricity is more expensive than a competitor because it is they that pay the carbon taxes, they will be encouraged to convert their power station sooner.
The point I am making is as end goals I think the Green have it right.
What they haven't put forward is viable or affordable plans to meet those end goals.
What we need is policies that lead to those targets that both the people and the country can afford. People will switch to to more environmentally friendly power sources, vehicles, and public transport if it is available to them. You dont have to threaten them with carbon taxes to make the change if it is a change that is affordable to them and available to them.
If you cant put forward affordable plans, then sadly they are just pipe dreams and nothing more.
The argument that we cant afford not to change and therefore any cost is acceptable simply is not feasible..0 -
Why not?
That's exactly what SF have proposed if they get into government.
Their argument is a valid one. Taxing people is a very poor way of persuading people to switch. Would it not be more beneficial to actually make it easier for people to make the switch?
Not everyone an afford to replace their car, but if there was a cost effective way in place such as long term affordable loans available to all no matter what their income then everyone would switch. The problem is that almost ever car owner would switch tomorrow morning if they could, but they don't have the money to buy an electric car and the lower paid have no hope of getting a loan from the bank large enough. The unintended consequence of carbon taxes is you tax the least well off and because they now have even less disposable income its going to take longer for them to be in a position to get an electric car. Carbon taxes end up delaying the switch to electric vehicles.
How much would it cost for most families to put solar panels on their roof. For many it will be far more than they have in savings or more than they can borrow from the banks even with the grants.
Again instead of taxing the bejesus out of those that cannot afford to install them, make it easier for them to get the finance to do so.
Also allow people to sell back their surplus electricity to the ESB. There is a double benefit to this, first that surplus brings down the yearly cost of heating a home, and secondly and probably more important you reduce the use of fossil fuel electric generation stations as they do not have to produce as much electricity.
If a family's heating bill is reduced by installing solar panels because they sell back their surplus, this makes it more affordable to those who currently cant afford to do so.
What the Green are proposing will take far longer that 3 to 4 years.
Yes we should get rid of the fossil fuel electric generation stations but are you seriously suggesting that can be done in a matter of 4 or 5 years?
In the meantime while we wait years and probably a decade or more for these power station to be replaced, people are going to be charged ever increasing carbon taxes despite having no choice of who they get their power from, or whether the power they buy is green energy or fossil fuel energy. I know there are companies that as selling electricity that pledge all the energy they sell is green energy, but there simply is not the capacity for them to supply everyone.
Surely the fair and sensible approach would be not to have the consumer pay these levies but the producer of the electricity pay these levies if they are using fossil fuels.
If a producer's business costs and electricity is more expensive than a competitor because it is the that pay the carbon taxes, they will be encouraged to convert their power station sooner.
The point I am making is as end goals I think the Green have it right.
What they haven't put forward is viable or affordable plans to meet those end goals.
What we need is policies that lead to those targets that both the people and the country can afford. People will switch to to more environmentally friendly power sources, vehicles, and public transport if it is available to them. You dont have to threaten them with carbon taxes to make the change if it is a change that is affordable to them and available to them.
If you cant put forward affordable plans, then sadly they are just pipe dreams and nothing more.
The argument that we cant afford not to change and therefore any cost is acceptable simply is not feasible..
All people see is the figure.
40 billion euro.
7% reduction in emissions costs 40 billion euro
7% . The percentage of the vote the greens got in the GE.
40 billion euro demand from a party who got 7% of the vote.
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Why not?
That's exactly what SF have proposed if they get into government.
Their argument is a valid one. Taxing people is a very poor way of persuading people to switch. Would it not be more beneficial to actually make it easier for people to make the switch?
Not everyone can afford to replace their car, but if there was a cost effective way in place such as long term affordable loans available to all no matter what their income then everyone would switch. The problem is that almost ever car owner would switch tomorrow morning if they could, but they don't have the money to buy an electric car and the lower paid have no hope of getting a loan from the bank large enough. The unintended consequence of carbon taxes is you tax the least well off and because they now have even less disposable income its going to take longer for them to be in a position to get an electric car. Carbon taxes end up delaying the switch to electric vehicles.
How much would it cost for most families to put solar panels on their roof. For many it will be far more than they have in savings or more than they can borrow from the banks even with the grants.
Again instead of taxing the bejesus out of those that cannot afford to install them, make it easier for them to get the finance to do so.
Also allow people to sell back their surplus electricity to the ESB. There is a double benefit to this, first that surplus brings down the yearly cost of heating a home, and secondly and probably more important you reduce the use of fossil fuel electric generation stations as they do not have to produce as much electricity.
If a family's heating bill is reduced by installing solar panels because they sell back their surplus, this makes it more affordable to those who currently cant afford to do so.
What the Green are proposing will take far longer that 3 to 4 years.
Yes we should get rid of the fossil fuel electric generation stations but are you seriously suggesting that can be done in a matter of 4 or 5 years?
In the meantime while we wait years and probably a decade or more for these power station to be replaced, people are going to be charged ever increasing carbon taxes despite having no choice of who they get their power from, or whether the power they buy is green energy or fossil fuel energy. I know there are companies that as selling electricity that pledge all the energy they sell is green energy, but there simply is not the capacity for them to supply everyone.
Surely the fair and sensible approach would be not to have the consumer pay these levies but the producer of the electricity pay these levies if they are using fossil fuels.
If a producer's business costs and electricity is more expensive than a competitor because it is they that pay the carbon taxes, they will be encouraged to convert their power station sooner.
The point I am making is as end goals I think the Green have it right.
What they haven't put forward is viable or affordable plans to meet those end goals.
What we need is policies that lead to those targets that both the people and the country can afford. People will switch to to more environmentally friendly power sources, vehicles, and public transport if it is available to them. You dont have to threaten them with carbon taxes to make the change if it is a change that is affordable to them and available to them.
If you cant put forward affordable plans, then sadly they are just pipe dreams and nothing more.
The argument that we cant afford not to change and therefore any cost is acceptable simply is not feasible..
At best Sinn Fein met up for 30 mins in the pub and drew up the manifesto, they went home and then Mary Lou got a call, f**k we need something green in it, Mary Lou answer....ahh sure stick in something about carbon tax0 -
I have issues with how they consider biomass to be renewable. Burning of wood pellets shipped in from the US.0 -
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Isn't it sweet.....
"Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."
Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.
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Rows Grower wrote: »Isn't it sweet.....
I would give them that in the morning if that would satisfy them but suspect the sleazy green element is gone with Gormley so they wont be bought off now. Only the loonies left so prepare to be taxed, fined and clamped until they achieve their pre industrial fantasy. Interestingly notice a lot of mods/Boards controllers are green supporters. Had two posts deleted for "ranting" recently. Wonder will this last the day. Green Party = Tax Party0 -
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At best Sinn Fein met up for 30 mins in the pub and drew up the manifesto, they went home and then Mary Lou got a call, f**k we need something green in it, Mary Lou answer....ahh sure stick in something about carbon tax
And you wonder why people do not take you seriously.
Have you actully read the SF manifesto? Patently not. Do you actually know what you are talking about, it seem you have a habit of this.
THis thread is not about SF its about the Green party.
But being that you could not bother to inform yourself before shooting here are just a few of the SF policies.
Change planning laws so that all new constructions meet or exceed stricter carbon emissions
retrofit all state owned building, again to reduce carbon emissions
Massive public investment in state-owned electric vehicle charging points
increase bus lanes, cycling lanes and park and ride facilities
continue to expand the public transport network
Developing better fully integrated public transport system and transition to electric vehicles
increase and incentivise forestry with an emphasis on slow-growing native broadleaf species, which provide continuous cover, and where the purpose is to delay the harvesting of the timber, rather than accelerate it.
putting waste collection back under the control of local authorities.
We are the only state in Europe with a completely privatised waste collection service and the only EU state persisting with ‘side by side’ competition for waste collection. there is little environmental benefit to private refuse companies shipping waste to be dumped in a 3rd world country.
Nor is the environmental impact of multiple companies servicing the same streets and roads beneficial. SF would achieve this on franchise basis, so there will still be competition to keep the refuse charges low
Increasing the number of recycling facilities and the range of items accepted, more public and recycling bins including dog litter bins, legislation to establish an independent regulator to oversee the domestic waste collection industry, greater employment and contract protections for waste disposal workers.
Allowing private citizens to sell any excess energy they produce from, for instance, roof top solar panels or small-scale wind turbines would also increase the proportion of renewable energy sources.
Invest in and support the development of offshore windfarms. This gives best bang for buck and this will allow Eirgrid to reach 80% renewables by 2030.
promote and support community engagement around proposed wind projects and opportunities for full or part-ownership by local communities.
Templederry Community Windfarm in Tipperary is an example of this where local communities own or part own wind farms.
https://tippenergy.ie/projects/templederry-community-wind-farm/
Harness water and sewage treatment plants to produce additional electrical energy. This would be a relatively quick, effective and cheap way of generating additional energy
I could go on and on, I have hardly got half way. But you get the drift.
All those are in addition to the FF environmental policy, which unsurprisingly accounts for the very last few pages of their 2020 manifesto document.
Very strange you would suggest that SF would tag something to the end of their manifesto when FF have done exactly that.
SF have probably the most complete environmental policy of all the political parties except the Green Party. The difference is the SF policy is based on transition, without the need for carbon taxes, and affordable by the state.0 -
Rows Grower wrote: »Isn't it sweet.....
Since found to be a totally untrue story.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/green-party-denies-seeking-deal-on-appointment-of-attorney-general-1.42612500 -
And you wonder why people do not take you seriously.
Have you actully read the SF manifesto? Patently not. Do you actually know what you are talking about, it seem you have a habit of this.
THis thread is not about SF its about the Green party.
But being that you could not bother to inform yourself before shooting here are just a few of the SF policies.
Change planning laws so that all new constructions meet or exceed stricter carbon emissions
retrofit all state owned building, again to reduce carbon emissions
Massive public investment in state-owned electric vehicle charging points
increase bus lanes, cycling lanes and park and ride facilities
continue to expand the public transport network
Developing better fully integrated public transport system and transition to electric vehicles
increase and incentivise forestry with an emphasis on slow-growing native broadleaf species, which provide continuous cover, and where the purpose is to delay the harvesting of the timber, rather than accelerate it.
putting waste collection back under the control of local authorities.
We are the only state in Europe with a completely privatised waste collection service and the only EU state persisting with ‘side by side’ competition for waste collection. there is little environmental benefit to a private refuse companies shipping waste to be dumped in a 3rd world country.
Nor is the environmental impact of multiple companies services the same street and roads beneficial. SF would achieve this on franchise basis, so there will still be competition to keep the refuse charges low
Increasing the number of recycling facilities and the range of items accepted, more public and recycling bins including dog litter bins, legislation to establish an independent regulator to oversee the domestic waste collection industry, greater employment and contract protections for waste disposal workers.
Allowing private citizens to sell any excess energy they produce from, for instance, roof top solar panels or small-scale wind turbines would also increase the proportion of renewable energy sources.
Invest in and support the development of offshore windfarms. This gives best bang for buck and this will allow Eirgrid to reach 80% renewables by 2030.
promote and support community engagement around proposed wind projects
and opportunities for full or part-ownership by local communities.
Templederry Community Windfarm in Tipperary is an example of this where local communities own or part own wind farms.
Harness water and sewage treatment plants to produce additional electrical energy. This would be a relatively quick, effective and cheap way of generating additional energy
I could go on and on, I have hardly got half way. But you get the drift.
All those are in addition to the FF environmental policy, which unsurprisingly accounts for the very last few pages of their 2020 manifesto document.
Very strange you would suggest that SF would tag something to the end of their manifesto when FF have done exactly that.
SF have probably the most complete environmental policy of all the political parties except the Green Party. The difference is the SF policy is based on transition, without the need for carbon taxes, and affordable by the state.
You mentioned Sinn Fein not me. I read the entire manifesto and it’s pie in the sky stuff
Think I’m wrong? Do a search for any economist and see what they say? The bit of “green” in this article is also interesting https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/cianan-brennan-the-sinn-fein-manifesto-what-is-doable-what-is-not-981202.html
See what KPMG comparison is like: https://home.kpmg/ie/en/home/insights/2020/02/general-election-2020-manifestos-capital-spending-policies-infrastructure-government.html
For everyone saying Green Party = tax. If you have any sort of decent job your going to get screwed in every direction by Sinn Fein.0 -
You mentioned Sinn Fein not me. I read the entire manifesto and it’s pie in the sky stuff
Think I’m wrong? Do a search for any economist and see what they say? The bit of “green” in this article is also interesting https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/cianan-brennan-the-sinn-fein-manifesto-what-is-doable-what-is-not-981202.html
See what KPMG comparison is like: https://home.kpmg/ie/en/home/insights/2020/02/general-election-2020-manifestos-capital-spending-policies-infrastructure-government.html
For everyone saying Green Party = tax. If you have any sort of decent job your going to get screwed in every direction by Sinn Fein.
True , but suspect the Green Party honestly believe their own policies, deluded as they may be. Sinn Fein are a criminal enterprise howver and in addition to the mob pleasing "tax the rich" they bring a much more sinister element with them .Prefer to be taxed by fools than thugs0 -
How on earth Ryan and his merry bunch gets as much time as they do is beyond me.
For the same reason as Parnell and the IPP had Westminster by the cobblers for a time. It's called holding the balance of power. It's the price you pay for a fair electoral system though Charles P. managed to achieve it with an unfair system.0 -
No idea what the N56 is but are you saying a train line from letterkenny to Dublin vis navan and one via Belfast wouldn’t help connect the whole North east
It's a road. I don't think we should spend money on building new railway line from Donegal to Belfast or Dublin. Road infrastructure should be the priority. We can't all rely on the public transport like the Dubs.0 -
I'm on the fence on the 7% carbon reduction. Has anyone done a comparison with other European countries, or, say, with democracies such as Canada or New Zealand?0
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You mentioned Sinn Fein not me. I read the entire manifesto and it’s pie in the sky stuff
here you go again, you did exactly the same thing in the thread you got banned from.
Do you honestly read or believe what you type? do you have a gold fish memory? Are you a pathological liar?
You posted this not more than a few hours agoAt best Sinn Fein met up for 30 mins in the pub and drew up the manifesto, they went home and then Mary Lou got a call, f**k we need something green in it, Mary Lou answer....ahh sure stick in something about carbon tax
You really are showing yourself up here.0 -
Hawkeye9212 wrote: »It's a road. I don't think we should spend money on building new railway line from Donegal to Belfast or Dublin. Road infrastructure should be the priority. We can't all rely on the public transport like the Dubs.
The Dubs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Ireland0 -
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here you go again, you did exactly the same thing in the thread you got banned from.
Do you honestly read or believe what you type? do you have a gold fish memory? Are you a pathological liar?
You posted this not more than a few hours ago
You really are showing yourself up here.
Ok
I posted you can’t stop carbon tax
You posted
You can, Sinn Fein promised to
Then I posted what you quoted
I suppose an apology is too much to ask for around here?0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KairmsARpyo
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