Green Party wish list.

Shefwedfan

Busterie wrote: »

Let's hope the Green party vote no to Government. Who wants that crowd in the north having any say in this country.

By all accounts it looks like the Greens have approved the deal.....

Topgear on Dave

Rows Grower wrote: »

Do you have any comprehension at all of the crisis this country and the rest of the world is facing?

Iv been remote on and off for a few months now.

Its an absolute pain in the nuts and nowhere near as productive as having all staff in one office.

Rows Grower

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Iv been remote on and off for a few months now.

Its an absolute pain in the nuts and nowhere near as productive as having all staff in one office.

Thanks for sharing.

beggars_bush

Busterie wrote: »

Let's hope the Green party vote no to Government. Who wants that crowd in the north having any say in this country.

You on about Sinn Fein there?

Shefwedfan

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Iv been remote on and off for a few months now.

Its an absolute pain in the nuts and nowhere near as productive as having all staff in one office.

Anyone in our company are itching to gte back to work to get some head space from the kids:P


Every company I know have a return to work timeline which has the majority if not all staff back in office by end of September. That will include internal meetings.


Meetings between companies at this stage will be in 2021

Shefwedfan

beggars_bush wrote: »

You on about Sinn Fein there?

Nah the Green up North had the chance to be part of the vote to go into government.

efanton

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why would the M20 allow a company to move out of Cork? it won't made a blind bit of difference. Investing in the train line would be a better enticement to move outside onto the train line.



You keep going back to electric cars but you seem to know every little about them, have you even driven one?



Electric cars do not suit everyone. Simple as that. It depends on your requirements. Replacing the entire fleet with electric at the moment would cause huge issues plus it would cripple the grid.



Plus no car manufacturer at the moment has the quantity required. Our best solution is migration of people to electric as they retire old cars. Also from a CO2 point of view it is also better. The issue Ireland has is people are swapping old cars for more old combustion. Plus people are buying diesel cars when they could and should be using electric. If you knew electrics are already cheaper, massively cheaper. To run/buy/service/tolls/insurance etc.



If a company flies into Dublin today, they cant get a train into Dublin city centre. So they get into a taxi. Depending on the time of the day and route that could take an hour or more. Now you tell that company to move outside to lets say Navan. SO they hope in car from Dublin city centre and try to get out.....well that could be 2 hours depending on time of day. Most of these companies who are looking to invest fly in/out of Dublin weekly. Why would they bother looking outside?



Fly the same company in, put them on a train and in an hour they are in a nice town outside Dublin. Have a nice office and say rent is 80% cheaper than Dublin city and see what the reaction is. People move to Dublin for work but if they have alternative they will. Silicon Docks as it is called was created in 2014. Now its full of companies, befire it was a ....well pick a term


In regards to train lines, well the Navan ones are in place. Just reopen them. I am sure others are around that could be reopened. We have train lines already in place but they are not running a proper service. So start with them. Connect the airport to the netwrok, stick another lane onto the M50 would be the height of stupidity.



Put the tax onto fuel to pay toward public transport. If you want to drive from Dublin to Cork in a car then make it so expensive it is a no brainer to get the train.



Push companies to implement a train first policy.

Again, you ideas are uncosted, unjust and simply unworkable.

So you are going to hike the petrol and diesel to extortionate prices to just get someone who travels from Dublin to cork to use a train? Are you for real?
What of the people that have no access to public transport, you going to give them a discount on their fuel costs, or are they going to be acceptable collateral damage?

You still dont get the point do you?
People are not buying new diesel or petrol cars most are buying second hand diesel or petrol cars because that is all they can afford.
If the majority of people are still driving petrol and diesel in 5 or 10 years time will it matter to the environment that you have charged them more to fill their car?

I gave you the numbers clearly showing that if you switched every car in Ireland to electric we would have met 3 to 4 years of the carbon reductions that the Green are demanding over the next 10 years for really not a whole lot of money. It can be done quickly, cheaply, and be in place to reduce our targets before the ten years are up.

One simple project, that's relatively cost effective, that could be implemented over the next 5 years could deliver over 25% of the reductions that the Greens are demanding, and you do not want that reduction?
Are you being serious?


Are you seriously trying to tell me that if the companies producing electric vehicles realised that there was a definite increased demand and they needed to ramp up production they could no do it? Of course they could and they would jump at that opportunity. Not everyone would be buying their new car in the same month.


You show me a Green policy that will deliver that sort of carbon reduction for €1.2 billion or less.

But the problem is you cant. You haven't, and the green party haven't, got a clue about what they are talking about. They have no plan that could get Ireland meeting its targets. they have no idea where the public transport schemes need to be, and they certainly have not even done a very basic feasibility study of any of them.

Companies that produce goods, have to distribute them. They will pick the bigger towns and cities because that's where the motorway networks are and that's how HGV's save on fuel costs. Are you that thick that you dont even get that basic fact?


What the feck has this Navan line you keep on talking about got to do with the rest of the country?
How much did it cost? How much would it cost to put an identical line to every large town in the country?
How many car owners are there in Navan today? Have the number gone down significantly since this new link has been put in. I assume being that you know so much about this project and its benefits you will be able to provide the evidence that car ownership has reduced in Navan.

Shefwedfan

efanton wrote: »

Again, you ideas are uncosted, unjust and simply unworkable.

So you are going to hike the petrol and diesel to extortionate prices to just get someone who travels from Dublin to cork to use a train? Are you for real?
What of the people that have no access to public transport, you going to give them a discount on their fuel costs, or are they going to be acceptable collateral damage?

You want them to take out a loan and buy a new electric car :P Im talking about potentially doing what the government already said they would do. Things like bring the tax on diesel to the same as petrol.

efanton wrote: »

You still dont get the point do you?
People are not buying new diesel or petrol cars most are buying second hand diesel or petrol cars because that is all they can afford.
If the majority of people are still driving petrol and diesel in 5 or 10 years time will it matter to the environment that you have charged them more to fill their car?

The money from the extra tax will fund alternatives. So if they are driving for 5 or 10 years at the end of it they could have a lovely train to get to work

efanton wrote: »

I gave you the numbers clearly showing that if you switched every car in Ireland to electric we would have met 3 to 4 years of the carbon reductions that the Green are demanding over the next 10 years for really not a whole lot of money. It can be done quickly, cheaply, and be in place to reduce our targets before the ten years are up.

You do realize FG signed up to Paris agreement. Not the Greens. The Paris agreement demands the reduction. I dont know how many times this has to be repeated. Do you understand?



If you swap the fleet, where is the electricity coming from?

efanton wrote: »

One simply project, that's relatively cost effective, that could be implemented over the next 5 years could deliver over 25% of the reductions that the Greens are demanding, and you do not want that reduction?
Are you being serious?

Do you actually know anything about electric cars?

efanton wrote: »

Are you seriously trying to tell me that if the companies producing electric vehicles realised that there was a definite increased demand and they needed to ramp up production they could no do it? Of course they could and they would jump at that opportunity. Not everyone would be buying their new car in the same month.

No they can't. If they could they would of already. If you knew about electric cars you would know this. Even VW who have invested billions are months behind schedule on the ID.3 and they are only delivering 30k this year WW...


Hyundai couldnt keep the Ioniq in stock, Nissan have issues with stock. Tesla can't get manufacuring working quick enough and you really want to give everyone a 50k car?

What about all the 7 seater? tell them to leave kids at home?


What about work vans?



I suggest you do a bit of looking up.

efanton wrote: »

You show me a Green policy that will deliver that sort of carbon reduction for €1.2 billion or less.

But the problem is you cant. You haven't, and the green party haven't, got a clue about what they are talking about. They have no plan that could get Ireland meeting its targets. they have no idea where the public transport schemes need to be, and they certainly have not even done a very basic feasibility study of any of them.

You are talking about a plan that you pulled out of your ass and doesn't even add up. Anyone with a basic knowledge of electric cars would be able to tell you all of the above and I havent even bothered going into half of the issues. Think I am lying, ask on electric car forum.

efanton wrote: »

Companies that produce goods, have to distribute them. They will pick the bigger towns and cities because that's where the motorway networks are and that's how HGV's save on fuel costs. Are you that thick that you dont even get that basic fact?

I hate to tell you but Ireland is not a manufacturing country. Tell you what, watch one episode of Irish Dragons Den and watch how many times they reference moving the manufacturing to China.



Ireland is a technology hub if anything. The days of IBM/Gateway/Dell etc making computer/servers/etc in Ireland are gone. They have all shut it down. We are not software developers/programers etc. People need office space and it is concentrated in Dublin for a reason. Not because a software develpoer puts the final version on a truck

efanton wrote: »

What the feck has this Navan line you keep on talking about got to do with the rest of the country?
How much did it cost? How much would it cost to put an identical line to every large town in the country?
How many car owners are there in Navan today? Have the number gone down significantly since this new link has been put in. I assume being that you know so much about this project and its benefits you will be able to provide the evidence that car ownership has reduced in Navan.

Navan has alwasy had a train line, it was used by the mining company. It is still in place. Go into Navan and you can see the lines. The M3 parkway runs on those lines, they just done them up and reopened them.


They could run reopen those lines and connect navan quickly.


In regards to how many car owners. Are you actually reading my posts or just ignoring?


AGAIN the point is a train line to Navan opens up the whole of Meath and Cavan to have quick easy access to Dublin city. Go past the M3 parkway prior to Covid and it was jammed with cars.....

Rows Grower

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You want them to take out a loan and buy a new electric car :P Im talking about potentially doing what the government already said they would do. Things like bring the tax on diesel to the same as petrol.





The money from the extra tax will fund alternatives. So if they are driving for 5 or 10 years at the end of it they could have a lovely train to get to work





You do realize FG signed up to Paris agreement. Not the Greens. The Paris agreement demands the reduction. I dont know how many times this has to be repeated. Do you understand?



If you swap the fleet, where is the electricity coming from?






Do you actually know anything about electric cars?






No they can't. If they could they would of already. If you knew about electric cars you would know this. Even VW who have invested billions are months behind schedule on the ID.3 and they are only delivering 30k this year WW...


Hyundai couldnt keep the Ioniq in stock, Nissan have issues with stock. Tesla can't get manufacuring working quick enough and you really want to give everyone a 50k car?

What about all the 7 seater? tell them to leave kids at home?


What about work vans?



I suggest you do a bit of looking up.






You are talking about a plan that you pulled out of your ass and doesn't even add up. Anyone with a basic knowledge of electric cars would be able to tell you all of the above and I havent even bothered going into half of the issues. Think I am lying, ask on electric car forum.





I hate to tell you but Ireland is not a manufacturing country. Tell you what, watch one episode of Irish Dragons Den and watch how many times they reference moving the manufacturing to China.



Ireland is a technology hub if anything. The days of IBM/Gateway/Dell etc making computer/servers/etc in Ireland are gone. They have all shut it down. We are not software developers/programers etc. People need office space and it is concentrated in Dublin for a reason. Not because a software develpoer puts the final version on a truck






Navan has alwasy had a train line, it was used by the mining company. It is still in place. Go into Navan and you can see the lines. The M3 parkway runs on those lines, they just done them up and reopened them.


They could run reopen those lines and connect navan quickly.


In regards to how many car owners. Are you actually reading my posts or just ignoring?


AGAIN the point is a train line to Navan opens up the whole of Meath and Cavan to have quick easy access to Dublin city. Go past the M3 parkway prior to Covid and it was jammed with cars.....

Apple, Dell?

Shefwedfan

Rows Grower wrote: »

Apple, Dell?

Dell doesn’t manufacture here. Dell in reality does very little manufacturing they buy parts and one of their main success point is supply chain

From RTÉ on Apple: The Irish team is involved in nearly every aspect of the company’s business, from research and development and manufacturing through to sales, supply and operations services, to after-sales care and technical support.

Apple was one of the first people to move to China. See below
The final products are assembled in one of three countries: China: 3 Taiwanese companies Foxconn, Pegatron and Wistron assemble iPhones and iPads in China. One of these probably also makes MacBooks, while another Taiwanese company Quanta Computer makes the Apple Watch.

Shefwedfan

Quick look at apple jobs
https://jobs.apple.com/en-ie/search?location=cork-CRK

Very little in manufacturing, how mush is done I cork now? Feck all

Rows Grower

Johnson and Johnson, Pfizers?

combat14

Meanwhile, Tanaiste Simon Coveney told party members it was “very unlikely” that he next government will be able to reduce carbon emission by 7pc annual in the first few years

this is what the greens are signing up for?

Bass Reeves

Rows Grower wrote: »

Johnson and Johnson, Pfizers?

Every medical company based in Ireland are in production from baby food to replacement hips and knees

And Viagra

Shefwedfan

Rows Grower wrote: »

Johnson and Johnson, Pfizers?

Is pharma classified as manufacturing?

Maybe if so then yes, other pharma around but hardly a reason to spend billions on roads, what would Pfizer need a truck at most a day?

Rows Grower

Kingspan, Diageo?

Rows Grower

Intel, Bord Na Mona?

Rows Grower

Liebherr, Dairygold?

Shefwedfan

Why don’t you name some more you found on google

Quick tip, just google top 500 companies and put the list up....would be faster the this :-)

The big one is Coca Cola and Pepsi!!

For Coca Cola, search ballina beverages...might help :-)

Rows Grower

GlenDimplex, GSK?

Podge_irl

efanton wrote: »

So you are going to hike the petrol and diesel to extortionate prices to just get someone who travels from Dublin to cork to use a train? Are you for real?
What of the people that have no access to public transport, you going to give them a discount on their fuel costs, or are they going to be acceptable collateral damage?

When they were building the motorway network all across Ireland, I don't really recall anyone wondering about what it meant for people with no access to private transport.

efanton

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Is pharma classified as manufacturing?

Maybe if so then yes, other pharma around but hardly a reason to spend billions on roads, what would Pfizer need a truck at most a day?

Have you completely lost you mind.
Do you only live on fresh air and the veggies you grow in the garden?

Where do you think all the stock in shops comes from? How does it get there?
Do you think supermarkets are going to switch to getting their deliveries in little electric vans?

Where do you think the wholesale distributors are that supply all these supermarkets?
One of the reasons why Lidl choose to build their Munster distribution warehouse outside Charleville was in anticipation that the M20 would be built within a few years. They got that wrong and other companies now will not risk investing until the infrastructure in in place and not just a promise on a piece of paper.

Ireland is a massive exporter of dairy and meat products. How do you think that gets to the ferries?

There are loads of manufacturing companies in Ireland. They might not be worldwide brand names but they are there.

HGV's can save up to 20% on fuel by using motorways compared to normal roads. Surely getting them out of our towns and villages and reducing a significant amount of their emissions and pollution in those towns and villages is worth doing

So tell me this how much will the Green spend to reduce carbon emissions. What are their plans? I assume that's all been put in the program for government?

Or are you going to tell me the one single concession the Greens got out of the coalition deal is to increase the price of petrol and diesel. You do know that charging people more to fill their tank to get to work is not going to have any affect whatsoever on reducing carbon emissions. The same amount of fuel will be used.

I had hopes the Greens would bring something new to Ireland, have got their act together so that if given the opportunity they could actually make a difference. Sadly I was completely wrong on that. They spent two months on a deal that gave them absolutely nothing and come the next general election they are going to be be utterly decimated.

Podge_irl

efanton wrote: »

Or are you going to tell me the one single concession the Greens got out of the coalition deal is to increase the price of petrol and diesel. You do know that charging people more to fill their tank to get to work is not going to have any affect whatsoever on reducing carbon emissions. The same amount of fuel will be used.

This essentially assumes that the very basics of economics are, in fact, wrong. So its a pretty bold statement.

Also, redirecting existing funding from roads to public transport seems like a pretty green concession to me.

Shefwedfan

efanton wrote: »

Have you completely lost you mind.
Do you only live on fresh air and the veggies you grow in the garden?

Where do you think all the stock in shops comes from? How does it get there?
Do you think supermarkets are going to switch to getting their deliveries in little electric vans?

Where do you think the wholesale distributors are that supply all these supermarkets?
One of the reasons why Lidl choose to build their Munster distribution warehouse outside Charleville was in anticipation that the M20 would be built within a few years. They got that wrong and other companies now will not risk investing until the infrastructure in in place and not just a promise on a piece of paper.

Ireland is a massive exporter of dairy and meat products. How do you think that gets to the ferries?

There are loads of manufacturing companies in Ireland. They might not be worldwide brand names but they are there.

HGV's can save up to 20% on fuel by using motorways compared to normal roads. Surely getting them out of our towns and villages and reducing a significant amount of their emissions and pollution in those towns and villages is worth doing

So tell me this how much will the Green spend to reduce carbon emissions. What are their plans? I assume that's all been put in the program for government?

Or are you going to tell me the one single concession the Greens got out of the coalition deal is to increase the price of petrol and diesel. You do know that charging people more to fill their tank to get to work is not going to have any affect whatsoever on reducing carbon emissions. The same amount of fuel will be used.

I had hopes the Greens would bring something new to Ireland, have got their act together so that if given the opportunity they could actually make a difference. Sadly I was completely wrong on that. They spent two months on a deal that gave them absolutely nothing and come the next general election they are going to be be utterly decimated.

So your previous points? You drop all them ?

Rows Grower

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I guess you don't know the business world.....

Two hours ago you directed this at me, LOL.

Tuck your head back into the sand there now again and just forget about everything and in the morning pretend it didn't happen.

Nighty, night.

Bass Reeves

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Is pharma classified as manufacturing?

Maybe if so then yes, other pharma around but hardly a reason to spend billions on roads, what would Pfizer need a truck at most a day?

You are just showing how much you misunderstand the Irish workplace. Not everything we produce is exported via fiber.

Yes pharma is classed as manufacturers everything from hips and knees, to baby formula (we manufacture about 50%of the world supply) to Viagra

Bass Reeves

Podge_irl wrote: »

When they were building the motorway network all across Ireland, I don't really recall anyone wondering about what it meant for people with no access to private transport.

Hint
Margaret Thatcher

Shefwedfan

Rows Grower wrote: »

Two hours ago you directed this at me, LOL.

Tuck your head back into the sand there now again and just forget about everything and in the morning pretend it didn't happen.

Nighty, night.

It is a bit sad when you couldn’t answer the question at the time and now try to pass it off on a completely different conversation.....

Shefwedfan

Bass Reeves wrote: »

You are just showing how much you misunderstand the Irish workplace. Not everything we produce is exported via fiber.

Yes pharma is classed as manufacturers everything from hips and knees, to baby formula (we manufacture about 50%of the world supply) to Viagra

We got the viagra one the first time, you a fan?

The point is still relevant, ireland is not a manufacturing country when compared to other in the World.

Where is all the packaging for Kerry group coming from? Kerry group have massive installation in asia.

I guess our local google expert didn’t hit CRH etc,

Picking a few companies from a desperate google search is hardly relevant in the discussion.

Our CO2 is not high because of manufacturing.

Nermal

combat14 wrote: »

Meanwhile, Tanaiste Simon Coveney told party members it was “very unlikely” that he next government will be able to reduce carbon emission by 7pc annual in the first few years

Might get close this year, all we had to do was entirely shut down a fifth of all economic activity for three months.

So next year, shut down for six months?

7% per year, every year, is only possible by stopping increasingly large amounts of economic activity.

You can’t do it by buying electric cars, building wind turbines, by ‘investing’. It can only be done by not raising animals, not planting food, not digging things out of the ground or making the or transporting them, by not consuming energy.

Be honest about what that target means.