has covid 19 been blown out of all proportion?

is_that_so

growleaves wrote: »

Lockdown is a radical and destructive policy which require lots of post-facto justification. Making covid seem deadlier than it is provides part of that justification.

Better to be blamed for overreacting than for not doing enough.

Risteard81

abff wrote: »

I don't see who would have to gain by overstating the figures.

It's really very simple. The State must justify its totalitarian - Jonathan Sumption has called a like response totalitarian and I am entitled to use this term - (and likely unconstitutional - this is the matter of court proceedings) response.

HeidiHeidi

Jaysus, the tinfoil element is strong this evening....

Risteard81

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Jaysus, the tinfoil element is strong this evening....

I believe you mean the factual element.


But if you like blindness and serfdom then there is no helping you.

STB.

Risteard81 wrote: »

It's really very simple. The State must justify its totalitarian - Jonathan Sumption has called a like response totalitarian and I am entitled to use this term - (and likely unconstitutional - this is the matter of court proceedings) response.

I think you are in the wrong place "Richard".

Simple is over here>

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin//forumdisplay.php?f=576

sheepysheep

is_that_so wrote: »

Better to be blamed for overreacting than for not doing enough.

I read someone somewhere say that the WHO will only ever be accused of 2 things. Either doing too little or doing too much. They are pretty much damned either way.

If this does turn out to be a damp squib then maybe they have damaged their reputation a little and possibly the response in a future pandemic.

They should get their own tinfoil hat for anything the Chinese tell them in the future anyway.

extra gravy

sheepysheep wrote: »

If this does turn out to be a damp squib then maybe they have damaged their reputation a little and possibly the response in a future pandemic.

What the f**k do you mean by damp squib? Over 200,000 people are dead.

sheepysheep

extra gravy wrote: »

What the f**k do you mean by damp squib? Over 200,000 people are dead.

That's not huge on a global scale. At the outset they were predicting over 2% globally. 150 million.

It's gonna be worse than the flu but by how much is the question.

3 million children die every year from starvation. Would that not be a more worthy cause to risk world bankruptcy over?

pjohnson

sheepysheep wrote: »

That's not huge on a global scale. At the outset they were predicting over 2% globally. 150 million.

It's gonna be worse than the flu but by how much is the question.

3 million children die every year from starvation. Would that not be a more worthy cause to risk world bankruptcy over?

How can people not figure out why the worst case scenarios are not being met??

extra gravy

pjohnson wrote: »

How can people not figure out why the worst case scenarios are not being met??

This. Honestly, I can't be arsed replying to the stupidity anymore.

sheepysheep

pjohnson wrote: »

How can people not figure out why the worst case scenarios are not being met??

Why can you not figure out that lockdown has no effect on IFR?

STB.

hopalongcass wrote: »

Both of these Doctors are working on the ground,testing people in their community,dealing with the issues you mentioned and claim that they have got substantially worse.

They are microbiologists and immunologists,experts in this field that is undeniable,these are real doctors that didn't forget their oath,brave men and i applaud them if you choose to close your eyes and ears that's your choice.

They are NOT experts. Neither is an epidemiologist. They are private health unit owners and herd immunity nuts. Most of the stuff that came out of their mouths goes against scientific proof. The director of Kern County Public Health has come out against them.

What they stated about acceptable sampling transposition to larger numbers was embarrassing. After 5000 tests they came to the conclusion that its the same as the flu!

The rest of the interview digressed into further unproven theories, opinions on constitutional rights, small business economics, all that possibly sounded very good in their own heads. Both of them are talking outside their qualified areas and are clearly out of their depth.

storker

sheepysheep wrote: »

Why can you not figure out that lockdown has no effect on IFR?

Because that's irrelevant?

wakka12

sheepysheep wrote: »

That's not huge on a global scale. At the outset they were predicting over 2% globally. 150 million.

It's gonna be worse than the flu but by how much is the question.

3 million children die every year from starvation. Would that not be a more worthy cause to risk world bankruptcy over?

Its not huge on a global scale as the majority of outbreaks have occurred so far mostly in Western Europe and the Eastern USA. Considering the relatively small size of these populations compared to the world population overall,and the very short space of time in which the deaths occurred, it is a significant death toll.

120,000 have died within the EU in the last 6 weeks
Almost 60,000 in the USA and Canada in the last 4 weeks
These deaths in Europe at least are a significant undercount and have also been largely suppressed by large scale lockdowns.

Lavinia

has it?

yes of course.

wakka12

Risteard81 wrote: »

It's really very simple. The State must justify its totalitarian - Jonathan Sumption has called a like response totalitarian and I am entitled to use this term - (and likely unconstitutional - this is the matter of court proceedings) response.

And how do the state benefit by continuing this apparently unnecessary totalitarian regime?

Its really not simple at all, youre implying some kind of mass global conspiracy theory coordinated simultanouesly by all world governments for reasons unknown

sheepysheep

wakka12 wrote: »

Its not huge on a global scale as the majority of outbreaks have occurred so far mostly in Western Europe and the Eastern USA. Considering the relatively small size of these populations compared to the world population overall,and the very short space of time in which the deaths occurred, it is a significant death toll.

120,000 have died within the EU in the last 6 weeks
Almost 60,000 in the USA and Canada in the last 4 weeks
These deaths in Europe at least are a significant undercount and have also been largely suppressed by large scale lockdowns.

You still think that 200k is going to remorselessly rise to 150 million?

pjohnson

sheepysheep wrote: »

You still think that 200k is going to remorselessly rise to 150 million?

Again how do you not comprehend what stopped the worst case scenario.


How is this so incomprehensible?

wakka12

sheepysheep wrote: »

You still think that 200k is going to remorselessly rise to 150 million?

No I do not! Nor did I ever say it would. But over the course of a year or so with the virus completely unrestricted I definitely believe at least ten million or more globally would have died.

120,000(significantly more in reality) in Europe in just 6 weeks, with massive lockdown.The EU is just 5% of the world population. Very easy to imagine 10 million or a similar figure would die in a year

facehugger99

I reckon a lot of the Lockdown Larrys and Bunker Bernies will have a bit of a 'road to Damascus' moment, the first time the dole is cut.

zvone

Member of Italian Parliament Vittorio Sgarbi. You can take automatic translate from options, but in short he says that in Italy only 925 have died of the virus. 24,075 have died of other things!?

Vittorio Sgarbi, denounces the closure of 60% of the businesses for 25,000 COVID-19 Deaths, of which the National Institute of Health says 96.3% died NOT of COVID-19 but of other pathologies. That means only 925 have died of the virus. 24,075 have died of other things.

He says false statistics are being use to terrorize the citizens of Italy and establish a dictatorship. He makes his statements on the vigil of April, 25, which celebrates the liberation of Italy by the Allied powers in World War II.

hopalongcass

wakka12 wrote: »

No I do not! Nor did I ever say it would. But over the course of a year or so with the virus completely unrestricted I definitely believe at least ten million or more globally would have died.

120,000(significantly more in reality) in Europe in just 6 weeks, with massive lockdown.The EU is just 5% of the world population. Very easy to imagine 10 million or a similar figure would die in a year

Well we are still waiting for any of the 3rd world nations or densely populated countries with poorer infrastructure and poorer healthcare systems to take up any kind of reasonable high infection rate.

Kinda coincidental that the countries that can't afford the expensive tests,ventilators and subsidies to the WHO aren't actually being overrun with this highly contagious virus even though its been in their midst for as long as its been here.

Maybe some of the lock down enthusiasts need to apply occams razor here.

pjohnson

zvone wrote: »

Member of Italian Parliament Vittorio Sgarbi. You can take automatic translate from options, but in short he says that in Italy only 925 have died of the virus. 24,075 have died of other things!?

He's basically the lovechild of O'Doherty and Waters. Multiple libels and fraud against him.



Italy has some mental politicians.

wakka12

hopalongcass wrote: »

Well we are still waiting for any of the 3rd world nations or densely populated countries with poorer infrastructure and poorer healthcare systems to take up any kind of reasonable high infection rate.

Kinda coincidental that the countries that can't afford the expensive tests and ventilators aren't actually being overrun with this highly contagious virus even though its been in their midst for as long as its been here.

Maybe some of the lock down enthusiasts need to apply occams razor here.

They are. Look up whats happening in Ecuador. Iran as well. Also it's already happened in China.

Excess deaths in Indonesia and Turkey are also thousands above monthly average, with no other explanation for it

hopalongcass

wakka12 wrote: »

They are. Look up whats happening in Ecuador. Iran as well. Also it's already happened in China.

Again we have very little evidence of anything from Ecuador other than a video that done the rounds on social media,their death rate is still relatively low no matter how many alarming looking videos do the rounds,only half the deaths we have.

wakka12

hopalongcass wrote: »

Again we have very little evidence of anything from Ecuador other than a video that done the rounds on social media,their death rate is still relatively low no matter how many alarming looking videos do the rounds,only half the deaths we have.

No , no. The president has publicly stated that infection and death rate is underreported. Ecuador reported over 11,000 new cases two days ago

STB.

sheepysheep wrote: »

Why can you not figure out that lockdown has no effect on IFR?

Good Jesus. What brought YOU to that conclusion.

hopalongcass

STB. wrote: »

Good Jesus. What brought YOU to that conclusion.

Maybe Sweden or Belarus brought him to that conclusion.

Tell me how

hopalongcass wrote: »

Well we are still waiting for any of the 3rd world nations or densely populated countries with poorer infrastructure and poorer healthcare systems to take up any kind of reasonable high infection rate.

Kinda coincidental that the countries that can't afford the expensive tests,ventilators and subsidies to the WHO aren't actually being overrun with this highly contagious virus even though its been in their midst for as long as its been here.

Maybe some of the lock down enthusiasts need to apply occams razor here.

Maybe, or;

Such countries would have much less movement of people both in to the country and out of it in the way western countries do.
People in such countries may not necessarily socialise or interact as much outside of their communities as frequently or as widely as people in developed countries may do.
Testing and diagnostics may not be very widely available in these countries.
Coalition and reporting of tests might not be as accurate as it is in other countries.

Occams razor could be viewed from either side.

STB.

hopalongcass wrote: »

Maybe Sweden or Belarus brought him to that conclusion.

I probably need my head tested responding to two re-regs.


Sweden have multiples of deaths to their nearest neighbours.


One is conducting control measures. The other is not.