Should junkies be allowed to have children?

Cobalt17

Seeing junkies pushing prams is a horrible sight to behold. Why aren’t these children made ward of state, or contraceptive solutions mixed with methadone?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

How dyou propose to police it? You wanna guide Anto outta Jacinta everytime he manages to get a horn?

Cobalt17

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

How dyou propose to police it? You wanna guide Anto outta Jacinta everytime he manages to get a horn?

Read what I actually said.

They should have 700 children, same number of times you've registered on this site.

Cobalt17

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They should have 700 children, same number of times you've registered on this site.

What are you on about?

Blueshoe

Yes.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Read what I actually said.

You said add contraceptives to methadone. So all junkies are on methadone now?

Cobalt17

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

You said add contraceptives to methadone. So all junkies are on methadone now?

No, those that are provided methadone should only get it on the condition of taking contraceptives.

Badly Drunk Boy

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

You said add contraceptives to methadone. So all junkies are on methadone now?

Just get the lads in Columbia to add the contraceptives. I'm sure they'd oblige...

nthclare

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Seeing junkies pushing prams is a horrible sight to behold. Why aren’t these children made ward of state, or contraceptive solutions mixed with methadone?

It's a good point, but obviously the SJWs and Lefties prefer chaos and carnage in society because they're not unlike addicts themselves.
So they empathize with the poor junkie's etc

A junkie's who puts themselves through the proper treatment and consciously decides that's it I'm done with drug's has more hope than someone who is forced to get sober or into a treatment center.

There's an old wise guy up the road, I won't tell ye what he'd suggest as I'd be getting angry replies and will trigger the SJWS

begbysback

Sweet Jesus, the sooner the better quarantine is over and kids can go back to school.

Wanderer78

Cobalt17 wrote:

No, those that are provided methadone should only get it on the condition of taking contraceptives.

So their option are methadone or illegal drugs

gifted

I'm amazed there's not more junkies after having kids lol lol

Cobalt17

begbysback wrote: »

Sweet Jesus, the sooner the better quarantine is over and kids can go back to school.

It’s 7 o’clock. Even I was a kid, I wouldn’t be in school now.

Cobalt17

Wanderer78 wrote: »

So their option are methadone or illegal drugs

What other options are there? Other than getting clean?

BabysCoffee

Cobalt17 wrote: »

No, those that are provided methadone should only get it on the condition of taking contraceptives.

What about the ones on heroin? Are their dealers only to supply if they are on contraceptives?

rodDaly69

Castration. Or better yet, a cull.

Cobalt17

BabysCoffee wrote: »

What about the ones on heroin? Are their dealers only to supply if they are on contraceptives?

Nope, their children should be removed from them though.

elperello

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Nope, their children should be removed from them though.

Removing children from their families was tried before in this state and ended badly for all involved.

Contribute something useful or close the thread.

Cobalt17

elperello wrote: »

Removing children from their families was tried before in this state and ended badly for all involved.

Contribute something useful or close the thread.

So it’s better to leave children in the care of junkies than the state? Cop yourself on, we have a duty to at least give children a chance. Leaving them in the care of a pair of heroin addicts is removing any chance of a normal life from them.

Airyfairy12

Have to agree with this, they shouldnt have children as theyre not capable of looking after themselves, never mind a child. A few months ago I was walking though Dublin in the late afternoon, along the ques were a group of junkies off their heads, drinking cans, shouting, among them was a little toddler with no shoes on, stumbling all over the footpath, strangers walking past on the street where keeping more of an eye on him than the group he was with.
Got the train at Connolly station that night, while standing outside, two junkies across from me huddled in a corner with each other looking really dodgy, like they were on edge about something, got a really bad vibe off them. With them was this little boy no older than 8 or 9, hard as nails, it was obvious this was a normal night for him.
If people want to live that lifestyle go ahead but kids shouldn't be forced to.

Urethral Buttercup

How do you feel about medical testing on prisoners to advance science OP?

jam_mac_jam

elperello wrote: »

Removing children from their families was tried before in this state and ended badly for all involved.

Contribute something useful or close the thread.

Children all over the world are removed from parents who abuse them. Are you actually arguing that this shouldn't happen.

And being rude to someone else for absolutely no reason.

s7ryf3925pivug

Yes. Men can have an injection that causes reversible infertility now. Women can use the coil. The former has less ethical questions maybe because it is mechanical rather than hormonal (it blocks the tubes).

In the UK a bipolar woman had an involuntary C-section and her child adopted without her consent. She had refused to take medication because she was concerned about teratogenic effects. This was very sad and possibly very unjust though I don't know the details.

Chemical castration of paedophiles seems like a no-brainer.

Cobalt17

Urethral Buttercup wrote: »

How do you feel about medical testing on prisoners to advance science OP?

How do you feel about staying on topic?

Pauliedragon

After hours probably isn't the best forum to bring up a subject like this. There is a parenting forum.

Urethral Buttercup

Cobalt17 wrote: »

How do you feel about staying on topic?

I'm not particularly bothered. This is a low-level thread and doesn't deserve any particular adherence. Now, I've answered your question, so why don't you give a shot to mine.

RobertKK

Humans have a bad breeding program, but eugenics based on desirable traits for society is not a popular concept.

Cobalt17

Urethral Buttercup wrote: »

I'm not particularly bothered. This is a low-level thread and doesn't deserve any particular adherence. Now, I've answered your question, so why don't you give a shot to mine.

If it’s a low level thread, you’ll fit right in.

corner of hells

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Seeing junkies pushing prams is a horrible sight to behold. Why aren’t these children made ward of state, or contraceptive solutions mixed with methadone?

Why dont you contact TUSLA yourself or the Gardai if you have a specific concern.

tdf7187

Cobalt17 wrote: »

What are you on about?

Hes talking about you and a smaller number of other far right trolls. Youse are like a bad smell that wont go away.

Cobalt17

corner of hells wrote: »

Why dont you contact TUSLA yourself or the Gardai if you have a specific concern.

I have done, I was told there was nothing they could do.

Urethral Buttercup

Cobalt17 wrote: »

If it’s a low level thread, you’ll fit right in.

That's alright pet. Put the Jordan Peterson book on your bedside locker tonight and have an honest think about my question instead.

BabysCoffee

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Nope, their children should be removed from them though.

How about forcing abortions on "junkies"?

Cobalt17

tdf7187 wrote: »

Hes talking about you and a smaller number of other far right trolls. Youse are like a bad smell that wont go away.

I’m certainly not far right. How is trying to ensure children of drug addicts have some sort of a shot at a decent future “far right”?

Cobalt17

Urethral Buttercup wrote: »

That's alright pet. Put the Jordan Peterson book on your bedside locker tonight and have an honest think about my question instead.

Your question was irrelevant and so are you.

Urethral Buttercup

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Your question was irrelevant and so are you.

Doesn't surprise me that a fearful small man like you doesn't have the imagination to see the connection. Bye. I'm done with you now.

Made in China 2040

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Your question was irrelevant and so are you.

What's your definition of a "junkie" OP?

Antares35

Anyone should be allowed to have children - once they can afford to rear them themselves without relying on handouts. There is a misconception that having children is a human right and that the state should pay for people to exercise this right...

Cobalt17

Urethral Buttercup wrote: »

Doesn't surprise me that a fearful small man like you doesn't have the imagination to see the connection. Bye. I'm done with you now.

Doesn’t surprise me that a fat cow like you has such a response.

Just reduce welfare allocations for anyone with a history of unemployment and having more than one child. Any further children would be taken by the State and put up for adoption (with no allowable contact tracing from the original parents under any circumstances). All costs needed to process the adoption or to support the child prior to adoption would be automatically taken from the persons welfare allocations. Give the parent(s) a limited time of probation to show them capable of raising and supporting any further children, but once they fail with any child, they lose access to that child completely.

I suspect the number of junkies having kids or those who are unable to afford to raise them, would dry up quickly. There are plenty of couples in Ireland or Europe who can't have children and would be interested in adopting a child. Once people recognise that they're not going to get a completely free ride from State benefits like welfare, then we'll see far less people willing to have children under such dubious circumstances. Getting pregnant once by accident is understandable. It happening repeatedly is ridiculous.

I'd also love to see family planning and educational programs being brought in to teach anyone having kids, the ins and outs of the whole thing, including how not to have more. Including estimates of the costs involved in having and raising a child.

While we do need the population to grow, we don't need a population that is tied to welfare.. and that's only going to become more common as time goes by, unless we put in better deterrents to that kind of behavior.

corner of hells

Cobalt17 wrote: »

I have done, I was told there was nothing they could do.

Who the Gardai or TUSLA ?

You can make informal contact with TUSLA or make a formal connection.

dublin.15

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Seeing junkies pushing prams is a horrible sight to behold. Why aren’t these children made ward of state, or contraceptive solutions mixed with methadone?

you should be ashamed of yourself,people can change,maybe you should get the snip ,so your kids are not polluted by your views

Cobalt17

Made in China 2040 wrote: »

What's your definition of a "junkie" OP?

Somebody addicted to drugs such as cocaine, crack, meth, heroin.

Cobalt17

dublin.15 wrote: »

you should be ashamed of yourself,people can change,maybe you should get the snip ,so your kids are not polluted by your views

I know they can. But children should not be exposed to that sort of behaviour. I’ve no problem with reformed junkies having children.

Blueshoe

dublin.15 wrote: »

you should be ashamed of yourself,people can change,maybe you should get the snip ,so your kids are not polluted by your views

What about those who don't change?
Addiction relapse rates are 40% to 60% and they have to want to quit in the first place. The poor child or children only grow up once.

IAMAMORON

Cobalt17 wrote: »

So it’s better to leave children in the care of junkies than the state? Cop yourself on, we have a duty to at least give children a chance. Leaving them in the care of a pair of heroin addicts is removing any chance of a normal life from them.

This is not necessarily true. A lot of parents who suffer from heroin addiction are perfectly capable of raising a child when they are sober. Indeed even when they are using they would be able to raise children, especially if they are getting support in doing so.

I am not fully convinced that you are grasping the concept off heroin addiction and how it afflicts its' victims. As of 2019 stats there are about 19,000 persons admitting to have become exposed to heroin use in their lifetime. That is around 1 in every 260 citizens in the republic. Of these 19,000 potential users there are currently over half on methadone treatment, over 10,000, about 1 in 500 citizens. So officially we have around 10,000 serious heroin users who are attempting treatment. Hopefully for them they get some sort of success out of it and can manage to improve their options and help them to cope better as a result.

Your belief that users have families and that both parents are active users is a little cynical. Yes it does happen, but it is in no way prevalent. More often than not families will be affected by one user in the family. But your hypothetical dystopia of two strung out parents hopelessly trying to raise a child is extremely uncommon. It happens , but it is not really that prevalent.

Where social services become aware of a one parent family being mismanaged by a user they will intervene. This does and will happen, but we have a system in place around it. It can be extremely difficult for a one parent family if the active parent is also suffering from addiction issues.

To be honest I find your suggestion both extremely naïve and quite frankly abhorrent. The most vulnerable members of our society deserve the most attention, they need support. Your concept of removing citizens human rights based on some value system you have invented in your own mind is frankly disgusting. I get the distinct impression from your op that you are possibly more interested in persecuting sufferers of heroin addiction than protecting the future of their off-spring. Get a grip and get a life.

corner of hells

IAMAMORON wrote: »

This is not necessarily true. A lot of parents who suffer from heroin addiction are perfectly capable of raising a child when they are sober. Indeed even when they are using they would be able to raise children, especially if they are getting support in doing so.

I am not fully convinced that you are grasping the concept off heroin addiction and how it afflicts its' victims. As of 2019 stats there are about 19,000 persons admitting to have become exposed to heroin use in their lifetime. That is around 1 in every 260 citizens in the republic. Of these 19,000 potential users there are currently over half on methadone treatment, over 10,000, about 1 in 500 citizens. So officially we have around 10,000 serious heroin users who are attempting treatment. Hopefully for them they get some sort off success out of it and can manage to improve their options and help them to cope better as a result.

Your belief that users have families and that both parents are active users is a little cynical. Yes it does happen, but it is in no way prevalent. More often than not families will be affected by one user in the family. But your hypothetical dystopia of two strung out parents hopelessly trying to raise a child is extremely uncommon. It happens , but it is not really that prevalent.

Where social services become aware of a one parent family being mismanaged by a user they will intervene. This does and will happen, but we have a system in place around it. It can be extremely difficult for a one parent family if the active parent is also suffering from addiction issues.

To be honest I find your suggestion both extremely naïve and quite frankly abhorrent. The most vulnerable members of our society deserve the most attention, they need support. Your concept of removing citizens human rights based on some value system you have invented in your own mind is frankly disgusting. I get the distinct impression from your op that you are possibly more interested in persecuting sufferers of heroin addiction than protecting the future of their off-spring. Get a grip and get a life.

Awww , you're after ruining the thread with that post.

Cobalt17

IAMAMORON wrote: »

This is not necessarily true. A lot of parents who suffer from heroin addiction are perfectly capable of raising a child when they are sober. Indeed even when they are using they would be able to raise children, especially if they are getting support in doing so.

I am not fully convinced that you are grasping the concept off heroin addiction and how it afflicts its' victims. As of 2019 stats there are about 19,000 persons admitting to have become exposed to heroin use in their lifetime. That is around 1 in every 260 citizens in the republic. Of these 19,000 potential users there are currently over half on methadone treatment, over 10,000, about 1 in 500 citizens. So officially we have around 10,000 serious heroin users who are attempting treatment. Hopefully for them they get some sort of success out of it and can manage to improve their options and help them to cope better as a result.

Your belief that users have families and that both parents are active users is a little cynical. Yes it does happen, but it is in no way prevalent. More often than not families will be affected by one user in the family. But your hypothetical dystopia of two strung out parents hopelessly trying to raise a child is extremely uncommon. It happens , but it is not really that prevalent.

Where social services become aware of a one parent family being mismanaged by a user they will intervene. This does and will happen, but we have a system in place around it. It can be extremely difficult for a one parent family if the active parent is also suffering from addiction issues.

To be honest I find your suggestion both extremely naïve and quite frankly abhorrent. The most vulnerable members of our society deserve the most attention, they need support. Your concept of removing citizens human rights based on some value system you have invented in your own mind is frankly disgusting. I get the distinct impression from your op that you are possibly more interested in persecuting sufferers of heroin addiction than protecting the future of their off-spring. Get a grip and get a life.

No.

Made in China 2040

Cobalt17 wrote: »

Somebody addicted to drugs such as cocaine, crack, meth, heroin.

What about alcoholics, prescription drug abusers, people addicted to food to name a few?

Have you ever had a addiction to anything yourself?

Junkyard Tom

The alternative is worse. Think it through.