Do you agree with mandatory vaccinations?

storker

robinph wrote: »

It's not about protecting the vaccinated kids, it's about protecting those who cannot be vaccinated. Someone who for no legitimate reason doesn't get vaccinated puts those who cannot be at risk.

Isn't it unbelievable that this still has to be explained to some people?

CinemaGuy45

endacl wrote: »

What’s the point in starting a thread you refuse to discuss?

On a discussion board?

I said I would not be responding to name calling or insults I did not say I would not discuss it.

Also I will not be taking it end of story.

I have not problem discussing the issue.

GT89

robinph wrote: »

It's not about protecting the vaccinated kids, it's about protecting those who cannot be vaccinated. Someone who for no legitimate reason doesn't get vaccinated puts those who cannot be at risk.

Maybe then they should come up with vaccines that are safe for all to get.

kippy

There are certain vaccinations that should be mandatory - planet wide - once they have passed a rigorous testing and verification process (as the vast majority of the vaccines that currently exist have)
If you've not had these vaccines you should not be allowed travel, have kids or work in any job that requires you to regularly come into contact with immuneo-compromised people.

robinph

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

The man behind the biggest funding for this stuff openly admits to wanting a reduction in world population.

How stupid are people?


I will not be taking this and anybody who disagrees is welcome to lock themselves in their own home.

This is the issue I draw the line at this is life or death.

Why should you be entitled to make use of the services of the state, health care, education, public transport, employment, entertainment... etc... If for no logical reason you don't participate in a simple and safe vaccination program which serves to protect your health and the health of those around you?

If you don't get vaccinated through choice then what gives you the right to share the rest of the resources of the community. You become a threat to the community by not being vaccinated.

ForestFire

storker wrote: »

Isn't it unbelievable that this still has to be explained to some people?

I always find this video a very good visual explanation on vaccines.

https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo

Also its only 1.5mins, so not a deep long winded video. Straight to the point in an effective way.

Zaph

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Stay at home then?

Why should I be the one to stay at home? If someone refuses to partake in something that is of benefit to the general population then they are the ones who should stay home. They can't make a decision like that and not expect consequences for themselves.

timmy_mallet

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Whataboutery.

Hiw do you feel about know side effects, including death, for kids of certain vaccines?

Whataboutery - the phrase that's used when you don't have an argument to the fact that. Idiots are causing kids to die from something that was nearly eradicated.

What is it with fu*king idiots and the need or want to see people die unnecessarily, your posts in the main covid threads reek of it. Are your lives that fu*king pathetic that ye just want to take everyone down with ye?

robinph

GT89 wrote: »

Maybe then they should come up with vaccines that are safe for all to get.

Some people will be allergic to some vaccines, or maybe they don't even have an immune system that can make use of the vaccine.

Figure those things out and there will be a Pulitzer Noble... Sorry Nobel prize waiting for you.

endacl

Wish they’d come up with a vaccine for stupid.

CinemaGuy45

robinph wrote: »

Why should you be entitled to make use of the services of the state, health care, education, public transport, employment, entertainment... etc... If for no logical reason you don't participate in a simple and safe vaccination program which serves to protect your health and the health of those around you?

If you don't get vaccinated through choice then what gives you the right to share the rest of the resources of the community. You become a threat to the community by not being vaccinated.

Anybody thinking like this becomes a threat to independent free individuals.

Nobody has a right to enforce their will on other people this is not going to end well.

CinemaGuy45

endacl wrote: »

Wish they’d come up with a vaccine for stupid.

Oh they have and there are plenty of stupid people who can just not wait to take it.

However I am all for freedom of choice just keep it away from me and those who don't want it.

dark crystal

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Anybody thinking like this becomes a threat to independent free individuals.

Nobody has a right to enforce their will on other people this is not going to end well.

In that case, we should be able to drive drunk. It's an affront to my liberty to ban me from doing so!

robinph

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Anybody thinking like this becomes a threat to independent free individuals.

Nobody has a right to enforce their will on other people this is not going to end well.

But society does have the right to insist on certain behaviour of the people who wish to be part of that society. If you don't want to be vaccinated for something that is proven safe and effective then you are free to leave and find your own island to live on.

storker

ForestFire wrote: »

I always find this video a very good visual explanation on vaccines.

https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo

Also its only 1.5mins, so not a deep long winded video. Straight to the point in an effective way.

A tad over-simplistic but yes a very effective visual. I loved the top comment:

"My grandfather was vaccinated with several vaccines. Because of this he's started wrinkling and getting grey hairs. Because of vaccines he's becoming an old man instead of dying at the ripe old age of 5. Vaccines causing aging, please be aware of the dangers."

893bet

endacl wrote: »

Wish they’d come up with a vaccine for stupid.

AntiVaxxers are more stupid than the average person so would sadly refuse it.



Selfish **** is my experience of them. Always ramming their beliefs down everyones throats also. I mean **** off. No one wants to listen to your ****e.

The "Do your own research and dont be sheepple brigade". Their research is usually biased websites and facebook.

robinph

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Whataboutery.

Hiw do you feel about know side effects, including death, for kids of certain vaccines?

Well those would be the people who wouldn't be vaccinated, and your choosing not to vaccinate yourself is what puts them at risk.

4068ac1elhodqr

To be clear, 'mandatory' isn't enforced, that's 'compulsary' (subtle difference).

You could well refuse a mandatory vaccine (on various grounds e.g. health concerns, religion, pro-choice and so on) however... you'd be refused access to so many services, products and travel access.
So you see it could be framed and marketeded as 'optional manditory' (i.e. highly recommended).
- but you'd have such a hard time doing anything, that it may as well be considered the very same as held down, 'compulsary & enforced'.
It would be presented as a 'push', a very, very big push - if it ever comes to that stage (likely not?).

But, the big issue currently is around immunity, the WHO says this does not exist in any meaningful way.
If no one can be assumed immune to this strain of COVID, and any future subtle strains of it, ...it's jab time.

CinemaGuy45

WHO plays down risk to Indian children from tainted polio vaccine

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-health-polio/who-plays-down-risk-to-indian-children-from-tainted-polio-vaccine-idUSKCN1MB3H1

robinph

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-health-polio/who-plays-down-risk-to-indian-children-from-tainted-polio-vaccine-idUSKCN1MB3H1

Seems that it's good that people around them have been vaccinated with the correct strain then, so they are still protected despite receiving the wrong version of the vaccine.

Try reading the article next time to see if it actually says what you think it does.

endacl

robinph wrote: »

Seems that it's good that people around them have been vaccinated with the correct strain then, so they are still protected despite receiving the wrong version of the vaccine.

Try reading the article next time to see if it actually says what you think it does.

For those who won't bother clicking and reading...

"However Shamila Sharma, a spokeswoman for the WHO, said any risk to children was “minimal” due to the high routine polio immunization coverage in India. The WHO funds and supports India’s polio-control program."

endacl

dark crystal wrote: »

In that case, we should be able to drive drunk. It's an affront to my liberty to ban me from doing so!

Closer to say you'd be required to drive sober. But you can't be required to drive at all.

Driving is a privalige that can be revoked. Access to healthcare is a right that can't be.

Courtney Weak Gazebo wrote: »

To be clear, 'mandatory' isn't enforced, that's 'compulsary' (subtle difference).
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That's the one.

A better example would be education. Parents who 'know better', are free to keep their poor kids out of mainstream education and fill their heads up with any nonsense they desire. Participation in education is mandatory, but not compulsory. It's advisable, but if you have parents of the right sort and calibre of stupid, you miss out. Luckily, for the general good, in the case of homeschooled kids, it's only the homeschooled kids who are negatively affected.

Water John

Education up to 16 years is compulsory. Parents get charged in court for childrens failure to attend school. If you go home schooling, you are checked on its progress.
Having grown up in Cork in the 60s, our parents were very grateful for the roll out of the new polio vaccine. Enthusiastic take up by people who had witnessed in horror a recent outbreak in Cork.

CinemaGuy45

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

The man behind the biggest funding for this stuff openly admits to wanting a reduction in world population.

How stupid are people?


I will not be taking this and anybody who disagrees is welcome to lock themselves in their own home.

This is the issue I draw the line at this is life or death.

Can I get a source to this please. These Bill Gates conspiracy theories are absolutely bonkers.

4068ac1elhodqr

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-health-polio/who-plays-down-risk-to-indian-children-from-tainted-polio-vaccine-idUSKCN1MB3H1

Wiki page (not the best source) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_Polio claims "The number of children in the world now paralyzed by mutant strains of the polio (vaccine), are greater than the number of children paralyzed by polio itself." 490,000 cases of paralysis during 2000—2017.

This number also mentioned here:
https://www.scidev.net/asia-pacific/disease/news/oral-polio-drops-linked-to-paralysis-in-india.html and it's cited report adds credence to the assumption that OPV was responsible for the change in the NPAFP rat:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30111741

Later (after being deemed polio free), there was at least three batches of polio vaccines containing 1.5 lakh vials had been found 'contaminated' with type 2 polio virus. India ordered withdrawal and destruction of all trivalent OPV stocks by 2016.

4068ac1elhodqr

Deleted User wrote: »

Can I get a source to this please. These Bill Gates conspiracy theories are absolutely bonkers.

Well 'family planning' if that maybe means population reduction?

Actually this $20m project of his, for 120million women, from way back in 2014 reads like something actually sci-fi bonkers...
cue the twilight zone music:

Turn Your Birth Control On and Off With a Remote
Bill Gates is backing MicroCHIPS, a Massachusetts-based startup developing an implantable chip that releases birth control hormones on demand

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/turn-your-birth-control-on-and-off-with-a-remote-180953217/
https://darebioscience.com/microchips-biotech/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28193720
A 16yr dose of levonorgestrel stored under the skin, with a 30 microgram each day via a small electric charge melting an ultra-thin seal.
Meh, sounds safe enough.

fishy_fishy

kippy wrote: »

There are certain vaccinations that should be mandatory - planet wide - once they have passed a rigorous testing and verification process (as the vast majority of the vaccines that currently exist have)
If you've not had these vaccines you should not be allowed travel, have kids or work in any job that requires you to regularly come into contact with immuneo-compromised people.

Just to be clear, are you applying this to everyone regardless of their reasons for not wanting it?

Literally sounding just as irrational as an antivaccer.

I will not be getting any vaccine that may be developed, because it's highly likely I'd be allergic to it. Yet going off some of the those hysterical commentary here, I should be denied the right to work, to socialise, to travel, to start a family.

So assuming the quoted poster isn't a complete moron, I'm going to assume the quoted poster means that certain vaccinations should be compulsory for all people for whom the risk of the illness outweighs the risk of the vaccine. Really need to sound more sane than the anti-vaccinaction crowd, and less nazi-like, if you want anyone on the fence to sway towards immunisation.

You'll find it difficult to locate a bigger advocate of vaccinations than me, particularly as I have to rely on herd immunity thanks to a previous allergic reaction to vaccines. And that is why I can't stand the hysterical nonsense being spouted like what I've quoted. Pro-vaccination is the right side to be on, so don't make it look like the lunatic fringe. People are generally sensible. Most people are likely to vaccinate themselves and their kids - especially people who've seen what the illness does unchecked. Parents who grew up around TB, measels, meningitis etc saw what the illness did, so they saw the vaccine as a no-brainer. People have seen the images of army trucks loading up dead bodies in Italy, they've seen hearses queueing at graveyards, they've seen mass graves being dug. This generation will vaccinate themselves and their kids (certain American lunatic fringe members excepted).

Water John

There were always some children who because of other medical conditions would not be recommended for vaccination. This would be done by a medical doctor in consultation with the parents.

Xertz

The anti vaccine lobby also tend not to believe in Darwinism, which is rather fitting.

However the problem is they may also inflict covid 19 on people who aren’t able to be vaccinated.

CinemaGuy45

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

How do you feel about thalidomide babies?

The reason pharmaceutical companies have such rigorous testing these days is because of scandals like Thalidomide.

Also, it's pretty insensitive to refer to them as thalidomide babies. Also, it wasn't the babies who got the the thalidomide. It was the mother's.