Do you agree with mandatory vaccinations?

endacl

Deleted User wrote: »

The reason pharmaceutical companies have such rigorous testing these days is because of scandals like Thalidomide.

Also, it's pretty insensitive to refer to them as thalidomide babies. Also, it wasn't the babies who got the the thalidomide. It was the mother's.

And it wasn't a vaccine.

endacl

fishy_fishy wrote: »

I will not be getting any vaccine that may be developed, because it's highly likely I'd be allergic to it. Yet going off some of the those hysterical commentary here, I should be denied the right to work, to socialise, to travel, to start a family.

Did you miss the distinction between mandatory and compulsory too?

4068ac1elhodqr

Deleted User wrote: »

The reason pharmaceutical companies have such rigorous testing these days ..

During a Wednesday live chat with LinkedIn, Gates said the development efforts funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation will move at “full speed, … taking a little bit of risk on the side effects.”
Expected shipping date is Sept 2021, which is still blisteringly fast for a Novel Coronavirus discovered at the very end of 2019.

fishy_fishy

endacl wrote: »

Did you miss the distinction between mandatory and compulsory too?

No I didn't, but I also didn't miss the amount of hysterical posting that serves no benefit and only polarizes people. People choose not to vaccinate out of fear, primarily. Carrying on with the shyte like I quoted and then resorting to quips about compulsory vs mandatory as a defence for the complete lack of rational tone only plays into that fear.

Courtney Weak Gazebo

Courtney Weak Gazebo wrote: »

During a Wednesday live chat with LinkedIn, Gates said the development efforts funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation will move at “full speed, … taking a little bit of risk on the side effects.”
Expected shipping date is Sept 2021, which is still blisteringly fast for a Novel Coronavirus discovered at the very end of 2019.

Fortunately, it's not up to Bill Gates to decide if a vaccine is safe. For example, it would need the HPRA and EMA to license it in Ireland.

The fact that you think that Bill Gates has anything to do with pharmaceutical regulation shows a lack of understanding of what actually happens.

astrofool

Look, if you're still anti-vaccine, given the knowledge and education we have today, you have 2 reasons for it:

1. You're trying to make money off stupid people
2. You are a stupid person

So, OP, which is it, 1 or 2?

4068ac1elhodqr

Deleted User wrote: »

Fortunately, it's not up to Bill Gates to decide if a vaccine is safe. For example, it would need the HPRA and EMA to license it in Ireland.
The fact that you think that Bill Gates has anything to do with pharmaceutical regulation shows a lack of understanding of what actually happens.

Cool, but it seems like he's acting as an unappointed global virologist in this pandemic (having warned about it pre-outbreak), or is implying his own global ownership to the soloution, 'the Gates Vaccine'.

The media report (daily) on e.g. : The 'Bill Gates’ coronavirus vaccine' could be manufacturing at scale in a year https://fortune.com/2020/04/26/bill-gates-coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-26/billionaire-gates-s-foundation-to-focus-solely-on-virus-ft-says

Billionaire Bill Gates is funding production of the seven most promising ideas for a vaccine as he refocuses his philanthropic work (resigned from Microsoft Mar 2020) on the deadly coronavirus.
Earlier, in an interview with the Financial Times, Gates said that his Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, with an endowment exceeding $40 billion, will give “total attention” to COVID-19 including actual manufacturing.
Sure maybe it'll all be fine.

Courtney Weak Gazebo

Courtney Weak Gazebo wrote: »

Cool, but it seems like he's acting as an unappointed global virologist in this pandemic (having warned about it pre-outbreak), or is implying his own global ownership to the soloution, 'the Gates Vaccine'.

The media report (daily) on e.g. : The 'Bill Gates’ coronavirus vaccine' could be manufacturing at scale in a year https://fortune.com/2020/04/26/bill-gates-coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-26/billionaire-gates-s-foundation-to-focus-solely-on-virus-ft-says

Billionaire Bill Gates is funding production of the seven most promising ideas for a vaccine as he refocuses his philanthropic work (resigned from Microsoft Mar 2020) on the deadly coronavirus.
Earlier, in an interview with the Financial Times, Gates said that his Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, with an endowment exceeding $40 billion, will give “total attention” to COVID-19 including actual manufacturing.
Sure maybe it'll all be fine.

Sure, just because Bill Gates makes it, if it doesn't pass regulation, it won't be available in Ireland.

Cupatae

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I will kick this off I will not be taken it end of story and I will not be answering to ANYBODY my body my choice.

How many so called PRO CHOICE yes voters will be screaming at people to take their vaccine.

Bill Gates in behind funding seven of these things in development I would not trust that creepy ******* as far as I would throw him.

Funny his own children don't get the jabs.

I will not be responding to insults or name calling I will again state.

My body my choice.

I would be interested in reading how others stand on this.:)

If it could only hurt/kill the person refusing the vaccine id say let em have at it.

But since it can be spread and do a lot of damage, no choice ur getting dosed, Like it or lump it or find a way to permanently isolate urself till either the disease has disappeared.

Your body your choice, but our society and the majority should get a choice, you shouldnt be allowed to affect the rest of us if you want to play it that way.

Cupatae

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Anybody thinking like this becomes a threat to independent free individuals.

Nobody has a right to enforce their will on other people this is not going to end well.

You are enforcing your will by refusing the vaccine, what if you contract it and spread it and kill someone because of your refusal?

Are you willing to be wrong?

Whats your reason for not taking the vaccine?

If it can be proved beyond doubt that its safe would you reconsider?

brightspark

Miike

Cupatae wrote: »

You are enforcing your will by refusing the vaccine, what if you contract it and spread it and kill someone because of your refusal?

Are you willing to be wrong?

Whats your reason for not taking the vaccine?

If it can be proved beyond doubt that its safe would you reconsider?

It's about here when someone mentions Guillain-Barré syndrome and I'll headbutt a nail on the wall :pac:

sameoldname

I wouldn't force anyone to take a vaccine but here is what I'd do:

Anyone who refuses to get vaccinated for non-medical reasons should be entered into a database listing all the vaccines they have refused for themselves or their children. This information can be accessed by the HSE, health insurers, educational facilities and employers.
If a person on this list contracts any of the diseases that could have been prevented, they will bare the full cost of any medical treatment received over the course of their lifetimes or their unvaccinated children until the child reaches 18. If the child subsequently gets vaccinated as an adult they will be removed from the list, if not they will remain on the list but will be liable for costs and not their parents.

Also, if it is learned that someone on this list or their children is found to have given a disease to someone else who is not on the list, they will be on the hook for that persons medical costs and the medical costs of anyone else not on the list who contracts it further down the chain of infection.
If the person cannot afford the costs then any assets will be seized and sold at auction. If the assets are insufficient to cover the cost then subsequent to asset seizure the remaining debt will be taken from any income until the debt is paid or the person dies. Declaring bankruptcy will not absolve the debt.

Any business can refuse to hire someone on the list and educational facilities can refuse anyone on the list from their buildings or campus. Online learning would be provided for children on the list until the age of 18 but any additional costs of this will be at the parents cost, deducted at source. If the parents can't afford the costs then the child will need to be home schooled.
Any business or educational facility found to have allowed a person on the list to work on site or attend classes will be open to lawsuits for any illness contracted from a person on the list.

People should have the choice to not take the vaccines, but they should also feel as much of the consequences as society can legally inflict if it harms any of the rest of us.

Courtney Weak Gazebo

Courtney Weak Gazebo wrote: »

Cool, but it seems like he's acting as an unappointed global virologist in this pandemic (having warned about it pre-outbreak), or is implying his own global ownership to the soloution, 'the Gates Vaccine'.

The media report (daily) on e.g. : The 'Bill Gates’ coronavirus vaccine' could be manufacturing at scale in a year https://fortune.com/2020/04/26/bill-gates-coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-26/billionaire-gates-s-foundation-to-focus-solely-on-virus-ft-says

Billionaire Bill Gates is funding production of the seven most promising ideas for a vaccine as he refocuses his philanthropic work (resigned from Microsoft Mar 2020) on the deadly coronavirus.
Earlier, in an interview with the Financial Times, Gates said that his Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, with an endowment exceeding $40 billion, will give “total attention” to COVID-19 including actual manufacturing.
Sure maybe it'll all be fine.

Or you arguing for or against Gates here?

I'm happy enough that one of the richest and smartest people in the world is plowing resources into finding a cure. Seems like a noble cause.

2u2me

sameoldname wrote: »

Also, if it is learned that someone on this list or their children is found to have given a disease to someone else who is not on the list, they will be on the hook for that persons medical costs and the medical costs of anyone else not on the list who contracts it further down the chain of infection.
If the person cannot afford the costs then any assets will be seized and sold at auction. If the assets are insufficient to cover the cost then subsequent to asset seizure the remaining debt will be taken from any income until the debt is paid or the person dies. Declaring bankruptcy will not absolve the debt

I like this idea, but what happens if an anti-vaxxer passes the disease onto another anti-vaxxer and then passes it on to someone else. Do they incur half of the cost each :pac:

timmy_mallet

No bother taking a Corona virus vaccine if post 10 years its proven to be safe. I certainly will not be taking the first one or two off the manufacturing line. And anyone here advocating for that or draconian punishments for those not wanting to has a fundamental misunderstanding of vaccine research, efficacy and manufacturing, and needs serious, serious looking at.

_Brian

As a society we need to acknowledge that there are a tiny number of severe reactions to vaccines.

It’s a fact, scientifically acknowledged.

If we make vaccines mandatory then we need to be ready to deal with these and pay the cost of the associated medical injury claims that result, not fight them through the courts for years, but deal with them swiftly.

Allinall

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

The man behind the biggest funding for this stuff openly admits to wanting a reduction in world population.

How stupid are people?


I will not be taking this and anybody who disagrees is welcome to lock themselves in their own home.

This is the issue I draw the line at this is life or death.

This post is after straying from the Conspiracy theory forum.

Just bear with me while I bring it back.

timmy_mallet

_Brian wrote: »

As a society we need to acknowledge that there are a tiny number of severe reactions to vaccines.

It’s a fact, scientifically acknowledged.

If we make vaccines mandatory then we need to be ready to deal with these and pay the cost of the associated medical injury claims that result, not fight them through the courts for years, but deal with them swiftly.

I mean, it feels that there is a misunderstanding that there are shareholders and they are the primary concern and beneficiary for any business, vaccine manufacturer included. Quite how any thinks that these business have their interests at heart first is baffling.

pjohnson

What an amazing coincidence that those crying over the "lockdown" and demanding it ends, are ALSO anti-vaxxers.


Education really is their mortal enemy. Everything is a conspiracy.

Miccoli

I'd take the vaccine myself if it was realesed. However mandatory vaccinations or removing public services for those who don't take it, just doesn't sit right. It would effectively be copying the idea of china's social credit system and would set a dangerous precedent in my opinion.

WhiteMemento9

You only need to look through the OP's posts. You really can't argue with stupid.

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I really do believe in TRUE equality for EVERYBODY a few longterm people on the dole should have been MADE do this work Irish and New Irish maybe let them keep some of the dole to top up the pay a bit but it still would have been a net saving for the taxpayer.

You know the old saying the Devil will find work for idol hands.

:pac:

Wabbit Ears

As much as it will add fuel to the anti-vaxers fire, I agree with chipped medical cards that contain your medical info. It would contain vaccination status information for available vaccines, Vaccinated and date of vaccination/batch #, Excused for medial reasons, Unvaccinated.

When accessing any medical services, both private and public, you must present your card. You must also present your card at school registrations etc.

This is extreme, but the anti-vax movement is so extreme in its mob stupidity that extreme measures are required to deal with it.

osarusan

This kind of stuff isn't limited to the US idiots I see.

robinph

timmy_mallet wrote: »

No bother taking a Corona virus vaccine if post 10 years its proven to be safe. I certainly will not be taking the first one or two off the manufacturing line. And anyone here advocating for that or draconian punishments for those not wanting to has a fundamental misunderstanding of vaccine research, efficacy and manufacturing, and needs serious, serious looking at.

I'd not be supporting punishment for people who don't vaccinate. I would support removal of rights to services and facilities of the state though.

Your choice not to vaccinate. Our choice to take away access to the services provided by society.

Hmmzis

YES!

timmy_mallet

robinph wrote: »

I'd not be supporting punishment for people who don't vaccinate. I would support removal of rights to services and facilities of the state though.

Your choice not to vaccinate. Our choice to take away access to the services provided by society.

"Our"

timmy_mallet

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

As much as it will add fuel to the anti-vaxers fire, I agree with chipped medical cards that contain your medical info. It would contain vaccination status information for available vaccines, Vaccinated and date of vaccination/batch #, Excused for medial reasons, Unvaccinated.

When accessing any medical services, both private and public, you must present your card. You must also present your card at school registrations etc.

This is extreme, but the anti-vax movement is so extreme in its mob stupidity that extreme measures are required to deal with it.

"This is extreme"

timmy_mallet

robinph wrote: »

I'd not be supporting punishment for people who don't vaccinate. I would support removal of rights to services and facilities of the state though.

Your choice not to vaccinate. Our choice to take away access to the services provided by society.

Are there any particular services youd like to remove? Sanitation? Access to food? Would you be demanding they cannot go to a supermarket? Perhaps easier just to to round them all up and put them in a camp?

timsey tiger

fishy_fishy wrote: »

Just to be clear, are you applying this to everyone regardless of their reasons for not wanting it?

Literally sounding just as irrational as an antivaccer.

I will not be getting any vaccine that may be developed, because it's highly likely I'd be allergic to it. Yet going off some of the those hysterical commentary here, I should be denied the right to work, to socialise, to travel, to start a family.

So assuming the quoted poster isn't a complete moron, I'm going to assume the quoted poster means that certain vaccinations should be compulsory for all people for whom the risk of the illness outweighs the risk of the vaccine. Really need to sound more sane than the anti-vaccinaction crowd, and less nazi-like, if you want anyone on the fence to sway towards immunisation.

You'll find it difficult to locate a bigger advocate of vaccinations than me, particularly as I have to rely on herd immunity thanks to a previous allergic reaction to vaccines. And that is why I can't stand the hysterical nonsense being spouted like what I've quoted. Pro-vaccination is the right side to be on, so don't make it look like the lunatic fringe. People are generally sensible. Most people are likely to vaccinate themselves and their kids - especially people who've seen what the illness does unchecked. Parents who grew up around TB, measels, meningitis etc saw what the illness did, so they saw the vaccine as a no-brainer. People have seen the images of army trucks loading up dead bodies in Italy, they've seen hearses queueing at graveyards, they've seen mass graves being dug. This generation will vaccinate themselves and their kids (certain American lunatic fringe members excepted).

Good news, if it's eggs you are allergic to, any vaccine against the virus that causes covid-19 will not be grown in eggs.