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The Hobby Horses of Belief (and assorted hazards)

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    #782
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120980289#Comment_120980289

    Both are true. The red state brain drain is due to politics. The exodus from california is due to the high cost of living there.



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    #783
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/priest-promises-council-planner-many-blessings-if-she-approves-church-car-park-plan/a1106570334.html

    A priest has promised a council planner that if she grants planning permission for a new church car-park it will bring her many blessings.

    Fr Robert McNamara, parish priest of Lisdoonvarna, Kilshanny, Toovahera and Doolin in Co Clare, made the promise to the planner in an email where he said he was “perplexed” why Transport Infrastructure Ireland (TII) would object to his plans for a new car-park to serve “a little architectural gem” of a church in the Burren.

    Fr McNamara has lodged plans with Clare County Council for the car-park to serve the historic 1878 Church of our Lady of Lourdes at Toovahera, Kilmoone West, Lisdoonvarna.

    The car-park scheme is aimed at eliminating the on-road parking during mass times at the church which has become “in demand” for smaller weddings.


    Fr McNamara addresses a council planner in an email and tells her: “I really hope that you do the sensible and decent thing and please uphold our application. I can promise you that to do so will bring you many blessings.”


    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #784
    Pawwed Rig
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    Is that not bribery?



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    #785
    robindch
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    Is that not bribery?

    Which bit might be bribery? The priest's job generally, or just his conduct relating to the planning application?



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    #786
    robindch
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    An Israeli reporter dresses up as a priest, then goes for a walk in the, uh, Holy City:

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-06-26/ty-article/.premium/israeli-reporter-goes-undercover-as-priest-and-gets-spat-at/00000188-f775-d6ce-abb9-f77780680000




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    #787
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,691 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987293#Comment_120987293

    Bribers have to deliver.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #788
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Was turning the dial on a non-preset radio yesterday for the first time in a long time - happened across some eejit saying stuff along the lines of "and he so wanted us to have this gift, that he risked his life..." Spirit Radio of course.

    (a) Why do we allow our airwaves to be polluted with this nonsense. We don't allow normal broadcasters to push self-serving propaganda and one-sided political positions on us, so why give religion a free pass?

    (b) Who is bankrolling this, and the other two that are on Saorview? Again we don't allow conventional broadcasters to be bankrolled by persons unknown to push an agenda.

    (c) No he didn't risk his life, when you're god you can't exactly die can you? 🙄 and it's not like he was settled down with a wife and kids (afawk 😉 ) or had a steady job or anything anyway, if you've known your whole life that your entire existence is that you are predestined to do X and then Y will happen but it's OK because two (NOT three) days later you'll be up in heaven having pints with your da, then what are you sacrificing exactly?


    Oddly I've never heard it described as risking before, it was always giving - which is even more daft because if you get something back you clearly didn't give it away, at least not on an ongoing basis... maybe this is an evangelical protestant thing, I don't know, or maybe they just thought it'd sound better on the radio and/or get the attention of people who'd never heard it said quite that way before (dang).

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #789
    ohnonotgmail
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989598#Comment_120989598

    They got a licence from the BAI for a Christian and religious radio service. they are operating according to their licence.



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    #790
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Yeah I know that. The question is why are we offering such licences.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #791
    ohnonotgmail
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120992494#Comment_120992494

    why would we not?



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    #792
    Pawwed Rig
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120992494#Comment_120992494

    They are doing no harm really. You said yourself that you only came across it by accident so it is not like they are pushing it in your face. If someone likes listening to that nonsense leave them off



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    #793
    Tow
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    There is a thread dedicated to the question of Spirit Radio breaching their licence:

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058225979/are-spirit-radio-in-serious-breach-of-their-licence


    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



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    #794
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Talk about whether they're on MW or not is missing the point entirely.

    We have one type of broadcaster which is quite restricted in what they do in relation to news/current affairs. They are required to cover current affairs in a balanced way. They are required to be run in an above board commercial fashion and their income from advertising and in some cases licence fee is regulated. They are not supposed to be there to push a particular agenda or the social/political stance of their owner.

    We have another type of broadcaster which isn't subject to these restrictions, pumps out propaganda and runs completely one-sided political coverage including during referendum campaigns. They can be funded in an entirely opaque fashion by unknown groups from here or overseas and push deeply regressive and discriminatory social agendas.

    The notion that this 'does no harm' is not one I share. Are those funding this sort of thing (and it's not cheap) really as stupid as some posters here seem to think?

    I'd say the return on their money is small - but not zero.

    There is enough religious content on the regulated broadcasters already without having explicitly religious propagandist broadcasters.

    A secular state should apply the same rules to all broadcasters whether their owners are religious or not. But yet again we give religion (and only religion) specific privileges in law.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #795
    smacl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120994439#Comment_120994439

    I suspect any private broadcast media is essentially only limited by legislation regarding incitement to hatred, discrimination etc... and that it is entirely reasonable to express a biased and even irrational points of view once they lie within what what is acceptable free speech and don't fall foul of the 2015 lobbying act. Publicly funded broadcasters such as RTE need to be more restricted as their remit is to serve the needs of the population in a rational and unbiased fashion. Personally, I wouldn't be in favour of a greater degree of censorship per se, but do agree strongly about limiting propaganda funded from outside of the jurisdiction.

    Haven't ever listened to Spirit radio and doubt I ever will.



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    #796
    donaghs
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120954595#Comment_120954595

    Shakespeare is from another time so is bound to be controversial today with what we still call “left” and “right”.

    I don’t see any mention of religion in the article about Florida. But modern ideologies can have equally religious like fervor (without the supernatural stuff)

    E.g. trigger warnings in colleges for Shakespeare plays:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-41678937.amp

    Shakespeare was a racist, etc

    https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/books/book-reviews/once-more-unto-the-culture-wars-is-it-fair-to-call-shakespeare-racist/a1746719356.html

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    #797
    robindch
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    Schools are back, so is Enoch Burke.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/enoch-burke-back-at-school-he-was-sacked-from-for-new-term-as-fines-pass-148000/a2095909049.html

    "Former teacher Enoch Burke has returned to the school that sacked him in what is seen as a pledge to continue his protest at his dismissal. As the new term began today, Mr Burke arrived and took up position in a corridor in the school. [...]

    The daily fines on the contempt matter are still accumulating however, and Mr Burke’s fines now total €148,400. On top of that he has been ordered by the High Court to pay €15,000 in damages for trespass, and is facing a six-figure legal bill, as the court awarded the school its legal costs in injunctions proceedings."



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    #798
    Igotadose
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    Hmm... not sure if this is appropriate for this thread, kind of crossover-ish from general whacko US conservative politics discussions:

    https://jezebel.com/cpac-got-an-actual-priest-to-perform-an-exorcism-after-1850797102




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    #799
    Igotadose
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    Nuns and a bishop at each other's throats deep in the heart of Texas. Whacko priests chime in, the Vatican, the police, drug use, possible illicit sex, very amusing in total:

    https://slate.com/human-interest/2023/09/nuns-texas-ft-worth-bishop-sex-drugs-power-plays.html




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    #800
    Odhinn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121074111#Comment_121074111

    "And then, in 2022, Olson forced out the president of the local Catholic Charities because that president had organized a women’s empowerment summit—something Olson thought was “aligned with the principles of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion,” which, in his view, “are most truly hostile to the principles of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.”

    A charmer,



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    #801
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Even with mainstream religions now, it's not far off the point where only the whackjobs are left...

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #802
    Pawwed Rig
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121076072#Comment_121076072

    Whatever about the gospels but if you take the bible as a whole he is not wrong



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    #803
    Igotadose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121083594#Comment_121083594

    Anything can be concluded from false premises.



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    #804
    Peregrinus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121083594#Comment_121083594

    If you "take the bible as a whole" you can't just dismiss the gospels. Christian read the entire bible in the light of the gospels.



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    #805
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Well that's the 'great' thing about the bible, it's got so much contradictory and/or plain mad stuff - you can find whatever you want in there for some emergency "appeal to authority" fallacious argument. A great example being how christians used the bible to argue for the abolition of slavery while other christians used the bible to argue against it.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #806
    Pawwed Rig
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121083733#Comment_121083733

    I didn't dismiss the gospels but they are a bit softer than the rest of it. I would argue with your presumption that Christians read the entire bible. Most I have talked to in my life are clueless of the contents other than the best known stories.

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    #807
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121083733#Comment_121083733

    Olson specifically cited the gospels though and it's an interpretation a lot of catholics (and perhaps the current pope) would not share.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #808
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120995891#Comment_120995891

    No, the BAI rules on balance etc. apply to commercial broadcasters as well as RTE - and why wouldn't they? This isn't the US thankfully where right-wing sociopaths can broadcast whatever lies they like and call it 'news'.

    So - some [m|b]illionaire using a commercial broadcaster for self-serving propaganda and promotion of a specific social/political agenda - Nope, not supposed to do that.

    Some [m|b]illionaire using a religious broadcaster for self-serving propaganda and promotion of a specific social/political agenda - BAI say that's grand and we don't even have to know who is bankrolling this or whether they're based outside the state.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #809
    Hotblack Desiato
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    WTF (apart from the obvious) is wrong with this guy?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/09/01/the-flag-is-our-heart-anger-simmers-among-military-veterans-at-tricolour-funeral-ban/

    A row has erupted between Defence Forces veterans and a Monaghan priest over the use of the Tricolour in funeral Masses of deceased military personnel.

    It is the practice of Fr Leo Creelman, a curate based in Monaghan town, to refuse permission for the national flag to be draped over the coffin during church funerals for ex-Defence Forces members.


    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #810
    smacl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084309#Comment_121084309

    Hmm, foreward on from 'BAI Code of Fairness, Objectivity & Impartiality in News and Current Affairs' suggests this is a recommended code of conduct rather than a legally binding set of rules.

    The purpose of this document is to provide guidance on the BAI Code of Fairness, Objectivity and Impartiality in News and Current Affairs for both broadcasters and the public. The document should not be regarded as a complete or authoritative statement of law. These guidance notes are non-binding and are provided to assist broadcasters and the general public to interpret and apply the Code. The BAI accepts no responsibility or liability in respect of any guidance that may be given and reserves the right to revise and review any guidance provided. Broadcasters must make their own independent assessment after taking their own advice and making inquiries/research as appropriate. This document does not purport to explain all the relevant provisions of the Code or give an exhaustive list of possible applications. 




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    #811
    Igotadose
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    Online Xtian 'influencer' who had a 2million subscriber Youtube channel where it shared parenting advice and a later podcast 'for moms' arrested for felony child abuse. Qu'elle surprise:

    https://www.salon.com/2023/09/08/another-christian-influencer-arrested-for-child-abuse-why-conservatives-keep-falling-for-these-cons/

    "In one 2018 episode, for example, Franke used a monologue to explain how “pain is meant to be a teacher” for children. “It’s not your nemesis. It’s your ally,” she said. “Pain is not bad. It is here to temper you and teach you and humble you and refine you and create wisdom in you." No pain, no gain, sonny! Down and give me 20!



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