The Hobby Horses of Belief (and assorted hazards)

Hotblack Desiato

Endowment of religion by the taxpayer?

Nuns' prayers answered as replacement apples arrive

The Office of Public Works has made a delivery of apples to the sisters at the Priory of St Benedict in Cork after a large haul of their own apples were stolen.

Ten wheelbarrows full of apples were taken from their orchard on Friday night.

Today the Office of Public Works delivered six boxes of apples to the nuns.

The nuns say the apples, which they use to make to make chutney, are a vital source of income for them.

The chutney is sold at the convent's Oasis Tea Room and the money is used for the upkeep of their convent in Cobh.

Couldn't the Mercy nuns help out? Seeing as though they are worth billions and haven't spent a cent on compensating their abuse victims.

robindch

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Couldn't the Mercy nuns help out?

Or the ironically-named "Daughters of Charity" who became €30,000,000 the richer after selling some land in Blackrock a few years ago:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/mckillen-jnr-seeks-45m-for-prime-south-dublin-residential-lands-1.4160257

"Give a little, it would help a lot"(tm)

Igotadose

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Endowment of religion by the taxpayer?

Nuns' prayers answered as replacement apples arrive



Couldn't the Mercy nuns help out? Seeing as though they are worth billions and haven't spent a cent on compensating their abuse victims.

No food banks that could've used those apples?

Odhinn

Another humourless shower making life miserable for people

Arsames have escaped from their homeland of Iran after they were sentenced to 15 years in prison for playing in a heavy metal band.
They were arrested in 2017 and eventually freed on bail and sentenced in late July, with Arsames now taking the decision to flee the country.

https://www.loudersound.com/news/arsames-flee-iran-after-being-sentenced-to-15-years-in-jail-for-playing-heavy-metal?fbclid=IwAR0xeAeOpamy3rVZe_zlXjRfuD59UIvaMZD1PbFTAcu6EIa_UARaRre8rPY

Hotblack Desiato

Igotadose wrote: »

No food banks that could've used those apples?

There's a big demand for apple chutney down the food bank, so I hear. Also cake.

robindch

As new restrictions come in, our religious colleagues are granted an exemption because, well, I suppose, religion.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0818/1159878-virus-press-conference/

RTE wrote:

Indoor weddings and some religious services, such as mass, are exempt from the new restrictions, meaning they can still take place with up to 50 people. People are being advised to use their own judgement with regards to attending mass, but the Taoiseach has reassured mass-goers that measures are in place to attend safely.

Peregrinus

robindch wrote: »

As new restrictions come in, our religious colleagues are granted an exemption because, well, I suppose, religion.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0818/1159878-virus-press-conference/

Since this is reportedly the same treatment afforded to shops and restaurants, it doesn't seem to that exceptional.

ohnonotgmail

robindch wrote: »

As new restrictions come in, our religious colleagues are granted an exemption because, well, I suppose, religion.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0818/1159878-virus-press-conference/

luckily for the church attendances are very low so maintaining social distancing should not be an issue.

smacl

Peregrinus wrote: »

Since this is reportedly the same treatment afforded to shops and restaurants, it doesn't seem to that exceptional.

Seems to me like political leadership, bending to pressure groups such as church and vintners rather than following the best advice from the medical experts. Shops we clearly need, gatherings in restaurants, churches and pubs not so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8YRA-GVufI

Peregrinus

smacl wrote: »

Seems to me like political leadership, bending to pressure groups such as church and vintners rather than following the best advice from the medical experts. Shops we clearly need, gatherings in restaurants, churches and pubs not so much.

Do we know what the advice on this point from the medical experts was? Genuine question.

And another equally genuine question; what is the basis for the RTE report that churches, etc, have an exemption? I haven't spotted it in other reports of the restrictions and, more to the point, it doesn't appear on the official announcements here or here.

smacl

Peregrinus wrote: »

Do we know what the advice on this point from the medical experts was? Genuine question.

And another equally genuine question; what is the basis for the RTE report that churches, etc, have an exemption? I haven't spotted it in other reports of the restrictions and, more to the point, it doesn't appear on the official announcements here or here.

Asked the same question in another forum myself and was pointed to the NPHET letter to the Minister for health published in the Irish Times yesterday ;

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/varadkar-and-martin-clash-at-tense-cabinet-meeting-as-incoherent-new-restrictions-criticised-1.4333516

The parting shot in the article is also significant

It is understood that the private warnings given to the Government by public health experts are more severe than their published advice, and there are significant concerns that a big increase in cases is on the way in the coming days.

Hotblack Desiato

Another rugby player decides to polish his halo in public:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53838242

Billy Vunipola says his Christian faith meant he was uncomfortable with the idea of taking a knee as part of the Premiership's anti-racism protest.

Vunipola, 27, stood before Saracens' defeat by Bristol on Saturday, while the majority of his team-mates kneeled.

"Though I am a person of colour, I'm still more a person of Jesus," he told The Good, The Bad and The Rugby.

"What I saw in terms of that movement was not aligned with what I believe in," added the England number eight.

Claims that arson attacks on churches were connected to protests in the US have been investigated by police and are unproven.

Hotblack Desiato

Covid-19: South Korea closes Seoul schools amid rise in cases

South Korea has ordered the closure of all schools and kindergartens in the greater Seoul area following a rise in coronavirus cases there.

Nearly 200 staff and students have been infected in the greater Seoul area over the past two weeks.

Remote learning will continue until 11 September, the Ministry of Education said.

Health authorities have warned that the country is on the brink of a nationwide outbreak.

But why? Wasn't South Korea held up as a shining example of best practice in dealing with the virus?

The country had been viewed as one of the world's coronavirus success stories for its management of the disease - however in recent weeks infections in the country, particularly the greater Seoul area, have increased.

On Tuesday, 280 new Covid-19 cases were reported - the 12th day of triple digit increases in a country used to case numbers below 30.

Many of the new infection clusters are linked to a number of right-wing Protestant churches whose members took part in a mass rally in Seoul just over a week ago.

Well all I can say is - f**k religion :mad:

Igotadose

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Covid-19: South Korea closes Seoul schools amid rise in cases



But why? Wasn't South Korea held up as a shining example of best practice in dealing with the virus?



Well all I can say is - f**k religion :mad:

NYT had a lengthy article about this over the weekend. Apparently the South Korean evangelical rightwingers are extreme ProUSA and anti their own government which is run by dem libbruls who want to cosy up with them nasty communist North Koreans. Don't need masks, Jeebus will provide, etc.

Sound familiar?

Hego Damask

After a Koran was burnt in Sweden the *Mod snip* decided to riot ....

https://twitter.com/LFC_blano/status/1299462921383284738?s=20

Of course the left and Swedish policitians will grovel and apologise and bend over backwards to accomodate these *mod snip*...

MOD

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Odhinn

Hego Damask wrote: »

After a Koran was burnt in Sweden the *Mod snip* decided to riot ....

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'After far right group burn Koran, muslims foollishly take the bait and riot'

Hotblack Desiato

Two groups of idiots. *yawn*

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/sudden-closure-of-sisters-of-charity-homes-take-staff-residents-and-nuns-by-surprise-1.4332588

Sisters of Charity closed down three care homes at short notice, leaving families and staff in the lurch.

Won't pay statutory redundancy.

Sites are worth tens of millions.

Same old same old.

The staff were advised “return all Company property in your possession by close of business Friday 7 August and provide any password or login details to your computer.”

They are clearly not managing their IT in a professional manner either, which is worrying from the patient confidentiality / GDPR point of view. They need the end user to hand over their password to a PC to access that PC? Never mind that brain fart, confidential data should not be held on a PC in the first place. Clueless.

Staff who spoke to The Irish Times were reluctant to go on the record, despite their deep sense of injustice and anger at this treatment, as the liquidator is also “preparing and submitting claims on your behalf to the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection” as he said in the Thursday, August 6th, email.

It means more than 20 staff have been left with no access to social welfare benefits as they have been informed this would have a negative impact on their redundancy claim to the department.

"Charity" my arse :rolleyes:

Also being moved on are the 19 people with various disabilities who live independently in units beside St Mary’s, many of them who have been living there for most of their lives.

Among those already moved from St Mary’s are 11 elderly Sisters of Charity. “They were moved pretty rapidly after the June [3rd closure] announcement,” said a source. All were relocated to the same nursing home in Drumcondra. “It’s not easy to get 11 beds at such short notice,” added the source.

Hego Damask

Hego Damask wrote: »

After a Koran was burnt in Sweden the *Mod snip* decided to riot ....

https://twitter.com/LFC_blano/status/1299462921383284738?s=20

Of course the left and Swedish policitians will grovel and apologise and bend over backwards to accomodate these *mod snip*...

MOD

Edited to remove inflammatory language. By all means post here but please read the forum charter first. If you need to use inflammatory hateful terms this is not the forum for you.

Fair enough , but people should be free to burn a bible, a koran whatever - if you live in a western society, you should accept that your fairy tale God is up for criticism.

My problem here is the Swedish authorities will cave and apologize to these fanatics - just like the Danes did in 2005 for the cartoons.

Therefore giving them an inch .... an inch becomes a mile etc ...

Hotblack Desiato

People are free to exercise their right to free speech by burning bibles, korans or what have you - and other people are free to exercise their right to free speech in opposing such burnings. Meanwhile we atheists point and laugh.

Hego Damask

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

People are free to exercise their right to free speech by burning bibles, korans or what have you - and other people are free to exercise their right to free speech in opposing such burnings. Meanwhile we atheists point and laugh.

Sure so long as they don't cause damage and violence in their opposition1!!

M5

https://www.newsweek.com/patriarch-filaret-coronavirus-gay-marriage-ukraine-1530261?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

Igotadose

M5 wrote: »

https://www.newsweek.com/patriarch-filaret-coronavirus-gay-marriage-ukraine-1530261?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

In future might want to put a bit more in than the link:
"Church Leader Who Blamed Coronavirus on Gay Marriage Contracts COVID-19"

robindch

^^^ Moved from funny-ha-ha thread to hazards thread as there's nothing particularly funny about the unfortunate Святійший Патріарх Київський і всієї Руси-України Филарет contracting Covid-19 at the age of 91

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0909/1164278-pope-francis-interview/

Pope Francis praises 'divine' pleasures of food and sex

Francis - born Jorge Bergoglio in Argentina - said that there was no place for an "overzealous morality" that denies pleasure, something he admitted existed in the Church in the past but insisted is "a wrong interpretation of the Christian message".

"The pleasure of eating is there to keep you healthy by eating, just like sexual pleasure is there to make love more beautiful and guarantee the perpetuation of the species," the pope said.

This is kinda like a vegan not only singing the praises of people eating Burger King Double Whoppers, but instructing them on a specific way in which they must eat their Burger King Double Whoppers. While of course never partaking of a BKDW himself... well, not as far as anyone knows

Odhinn

Police in Panama say they are investigating a mass grave which they believe contains the remains of people killed by a religious sect.

Investigators are supervising the removal of skeletal remains from the site in the remote north-western indigenous Ngäbe-Buglé region.

In January a grave containing seven bodies was found nearby.

The grave - which contained the remains of a pregnant woman, five of her children and a teenager - was discovered after three villagers held by the sect escaped and fled to a hospital, prosecutors said at the time.

Police then raided the community and said that inside a makeshift church they found a naked woman, machetes, knives and a ritually sacrificed goat. They said that the sect had been preying on local villagers, performing violent exorcisms involving beatings and torture.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-54156859

Hotblack Desiato

That pair of nuns are in the news again.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111994656&postcount=9745

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/judge-gives-hermit-nun-more-time-to-find-new-accommodation-1.4361573

A nun has been given nine months to find a new place to live and worship after a judge accepted she had made a genuine effort to dismantle a hermitage she established without planning permission in Co Cork.

Sr Irene Gibson, a Carmelite nun of the Holy Face of Jesus, was convicted last December at Skibbereen District Court of breaching the Planning and Development Act 2000 by establishing the hermitage at Corrin South, Leap.

Judge James McNulty adjourned penalty until April to allow Sr Irene to find an alternative place for the hermitage she shares with Sr Annemarie Loeman, but the matter was put back due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

Odhinn

Dawkins ditched because of his views on Islam and the storm in a coffee cup "elevator gate" incident

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/09/28/where-is-your-god-now-5/?fbclid=IwAR3S3Yel5RmY-dO51MOxNLaH6_zx0bL5_0EZ1v8MgccHpw8YPEcG8VeyC-Q

Hotblack Desiato

Since when was Dawkins responsible for elevatorgate?

Ridiculous decision in any case.

This is supposedly a debating society!

ohnonotgmail

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Since when was Dawkins responsible for elevatorgate?

Ridiculous decision in any case.

This is supposedly a debating society!

yeah but it's the Hist so, you know, ...