Will you download the contact tracing app?

Def_IRL

There is a lot of detailed information in fairness on their GitHuB page including all of the data flow visios

See:.
https://github.com/HSEIreland/covidtracker-documentation/tree/master/documentation/

&
https://camo.githubusercontent.com/e1cf68ace112b4e43cf16c9dbb30b88d1e8f70e2/68747470733a2f2f6170702e6c7563696463686172742e636f6d2f7075626c69635365676d656e74732f766965772f37363032383239362d633265342d346336612d616131332d3834633432383931656439352f696d6167652e706e67

brianomc wrote: »

https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/current/static/contact-tracing/pdf/ExposureNotification-FAQv1.1.pdf

FAQ Point 5. It changes every 10-20 minutes

circadian

circadian wrote: »

No way to convince you to join in on the Tinfoil Hat Train?

I don’t think blergh wrote that post. It was yer wan, 5G, blatantly hacked into blergh’s boards account to type a positive message.

I bet that blaggard 5G will run for president next. Of all countries!!!

plodder

KyussB wrote: »

Where does it say this?

https://blog.google/documents/73/Exposure_Notification_-_FAQ_v1.1.pdf

Once enabled, users’ devices will regularly send out a beacon via Bluetooth that includes a random Bluetooth identifier — basically, a string of random numbers that aren’t tied to a user's identity and change every 10-20 minutes for additional protection.

Beasty

Just downloaded and activated without issue (Samsung S8)

I'd rather give it a go in the hope it does some good than dismiss it without making the effort. I cannot see what harm it could do and it has the potential to do a lot of good

Gael23

No, huge invasion of privacy and amazes me how it can possibly be GDPR compliant

eldamo

i have it on my xioami mi max 3, it is only fair I let the irish government know what I am doing seeing as the chinese government are already well aware.

murpho999

blackbox wrote: »

Just downloaded and activated it.

It seems to be OK. My only concern is battery usage, so I'll see how that goes over a few days.

Really don't worry about it, modern bluetooth is not a heavy battery use at all.

murpho999

ELM327 wrote: »

I will not be downloading this.

Care to enlighten us as to why?

gabeeg

Beasty wrote: »

Just downloaded and activated without issue (Samsung S8)

I'd rather give it a go in the hope it does some good than dismiss it without making the effort. I cannot see what harm it could do and it has the potential to do a lot of good

I live in a high-density block of apartments.

I'm worried it might confine me to the gaf for weeks for exposures that never really happened. I know that the UK's crappy app was unsuitable for high-density areas, and as the tech used is very similar.

Anyone know if this has been remedied?

Cordell

Installed it today.
We give up a lot of personal information anyway, usually to our corporate overlords, but this time is for a good cause.

Jinglejangle69

Gael23 wrote: »

No, huge invasion of privacy and amazes me how it can possibly be GDPR compliant

Wrong on all fronts.

Jinglejangle69

Gael23 wrote: »

No, huge invasion of privacy and amazes me how it can possibly be GDPR compliant

Wrong on all fronts.

gabeeg

Gael23 wrote: »

No, huge invasion of privacy and amazes me how it can possibly be GDPR compliant

I don't know if it is or is not compliant, but GDPR has clauses and exceptions for emergency situations.

Hudur

Just downloaded. Seems very handy and works just like it supposed to. Don't have to do anything unless HSE calls you and then you can upload the IDs phone has collected.

There is option to do COVID Check-In though. Can daily tell if you are "Feeling good" or have any symptoms.

Over 200k users already

brianomc

Gael23 wrote: »

No, huge invasion of privacy and amazes me how it can possibly be GDPR compliant

All the work is done on your phone, the data is stored on your phone, it doesn't give you a way of properly identifying anybody else.

It doesn't share your details with anyone, unless you give the app your phone number and permission to share it with the HSE.

murpho999

Gael23 wrote: »

No, huge invasion of privacy and amazes me how it can possibly be GDPR compliant

It's not an invasion of privacy when you consent to it and you need to look at the intent behind it.

You're still anonymous on the app as well.

I really don't get the argument at all and why do people think that the government or other bodies would care about your trips to the shops or who you come into contact with?

Idioteque

murpho999 wrote: »

Sorry but most modern smartphones last more than a day.


Battery anxiety is not a valid reason to refuse to use the app.

I would say you're wasting more of your battery by turning bluetooth on and off constantly rather than simply just leaving it on.

I think my query was already well answered by previous posters. I don't know where you're going with anxiety and refusing to download the app but you're just making stuff up now.

I'd already downloaded it and was merely saying if it ate battery it could be a problem but it seems like that shouldn't be a problem so all good

geminiman63

ibarelycare wrote: »

I've an iPhone 11, using iOS 13.3.1, and when I download the app it says to enable Contact Tracing, you need to upgrade to the latest version of Apple iOS. But there are no more up to date versions available Anyone else having this issue?

Just downloaded the app on my iPhone 11, no problems
My iPhone is running software version 13.5.1, so check again for a software update.

hmmm

Good app, good privacy information, lots of opt-out controls. Good job developers.

Stop complaining about everything and do your bit for the community.

KyussB

GarIT wrote: »

It is actually, Bluetooth range drops on a logarithmic scale. You would need a device 10 times more powerful with a 10 times larger antenna to double the range.

Bluetooth is low energy - increasing the power isn't hard with added equipment. Bluetooth can go up to 100m, and latest standard up to 1km open air.

It's going to cost whoever would want to do it (in terms of equipment), and be limited in circumstances e.g. less practical in the middle of a city - but it looks like it has high potential for private tracking. Especially if you can e.g. detect code switching (I doubt all devices in a certain range, switch code at the exact same moment - so you can probably time it - depending on if they've added much random variance).

alwald

Gael23 wrote: »

No, huge invasion of privacy and amazes me how it can possibly be GDPR compliant

I suggest that you document yourself on what is GDPR first as this is where the issue is.

The Nal

Gael23 wrote: »

No, huge invasion of privacy and amazes me how it can possibly be GDPR compliant

Explain how?

is_that_so

Very straightforward to use, lots of privacy information and why not have it anyway.

ELM327

murpho999 wrote: »

Care to enlighten us as to why?

I don't support big government and their attempt to interfere in my life.
I rarely leave the house these days, as we are both working from home. I go out once a week for shopping, and we go for a few recreational drives but don't get out if there are others around.


There is no benefit to me installing the app, and therefore I don't think it's worth the risk in invasion of privacy.

KyussB

brianomc wrote: »

https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/current/static/contact-tracing/pdf/ExposureNotification-FAQv1.1.pdf

FAQ Point 5. It changes every 10-20 minutes

That certainly makes it harder alright. It's still usable to track, and there is potential to be able to time the switches (even though a 10 min random variance is a lot), but if there aren't too many other devices around, it should be quite trackable.

Jinglejangle69

ELM327 wrote: »

I don't support big government and their attempt to interfere in my life.
I rarely leave the house these days, as we are both working from home. I go out once a week for shopping, and we go for a few recreational drives but don't get out if there are others around.


There is no benefit to me installing the app, and therefore I don't think it's worth the risk in invasion of privacy.

The government have no access to the information.

Its all stored on your phone and encrypted.

Sure you stay in your house hiding from the big bad government.

ELM327

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The government have no access to the information.

Its all stored on your phone and encrypted.

Sure you stay in your house hiding from the big bad government.

I'm in a vulnerable health group as is my partner, so I will.

GarIT

Gael23 wrote: »

No, huge invasion of privacy and amazes me how it can possibly be GDPR compliant

How is you keeping a record of who you have been in contact with an invasion of your privacy?

ACitizenErased

Really great app. They haven’t really changed much since we were testing it which just proves they got it right first time. Approaching 300K registrations on the iOS version now.

GhostyMcGhost

blackbox wrote: »

Just downloaded and activated it.

It seems to be OK. My only concern is battery usage, so I'll see how that goes over a few days.

BLE.... BLE ... BLE

Bluetooth Low Energy (still referred to as just 'Bluetooth')

Sorry folks but all the concerns about bluetooth draining the battery are rooted in the jurrassic era of mobile phones.
https://www.bluetooth.com/learn-about-bluetooth/bluetooth-technology/radio-versions/

Bluetooth is and has been low energy (LE) for years now. I've my fitbit, car and earphones paired and never had battery concerns. Infact phones have built in low power modes that kick in around 20% and guess what, bluetooth is not turned off in low power mode