Will you download the contact tracing app?

hmmm

AndyTheDude wrote: »

An implanted chip would be so much better...

"Reuters: The Irish government have rolled out their new combined Covid-19 tracking app and rectal thermometer."

MarkR

Definitely. I'm sure that, when developed, the data will be used responsibly, and for the purposes intended. If the government was going to go totalitarian, me not installing an app won't be a turning point for the resistance!

GreyEagle

What is the result of the poll please?

palong88

I love the way people are worried about their privacy once the government gets involved. At least with the contact tracing app there is a potential greater good of saving lives. When this is all over you can opt-out.

But sure people are happy enough to let Facebook, Google, Amazon, and Apple collect all the personal data in the world.

What do you think the government will do with your private location information?

Jezz Paddy's been to the off-license three times this week lets audit him and he's definitely having an affair with Sharon up the road!

the_syco

lord quackinton wrote: »

if the HSE are developing one it will take probably 5years and cost at least 1 billion and will work only from 10 to 4 Monday to Friday And cost 4.99cents to download

What a load of crap! It'll be ready to go just after Dublin North Metro is online!

MrMusician18

palong88 wrote: »

I love the way people are worried about their privacy once the government gets involved. At least with the contact tracing app there is a potential greater good of saving lives. When this is all over you can opt-out.

But sure people are happy enough to let Facebook, Google, Amazon, and Apple collect all the personal data in the world.

What do you think the government will do with your private location information?

Jezz Paddy's been to the off-license three times this week lets audit him and he's definitely having an affair with Sharon up the road!

Indeed. There seems to be some sort of fear or indeed opposition to this when they're is a clear public benefit as a result. Even in countries where there is a high degrees of deference to government, uptake has been like 20%

The same people though would have no hesitation in downloading the latest faceswapping app and granting it a plethora of permissions.

Personally I'd be happy to have it if it meant restrictions could be lifted sooner. And once the crisis is over I'd delete it.

petes

You'd have to wonder what people are hiding or think they are hiding by saying 'absolutely not'!

plodder

I suspect some people fear that the app will be uploading information in real time to the government servers. That would indeed be dangerous and a serious privacy concern.

Presumably, all contact data is kept on your phone until you decide to report that you are infected. Only, then is the contact data uploaded to the server. Also, you would hope that the identifiers that get exchanged in the handshake are not actual phone numbers, but are effectively random numbers that change regularly. Logging other peoples' phone numbers on your phone would be very dangerous as well.

DrGreenThumb82

Why are the poll results hidden?

What Username Guidelines

Any idea how it works with neighbours either beside or above/below you? Obviously you'll be within range of them for hours every day.

plodder

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Any idea how it works with neighbours either beside or above/below you? Obviously you'll be within range of them for hours every day.

The technology is supposed to be able to use power levels to judge how close you are. I guess when someone is the other side of a wall, it will know that and not count it as a contact. Doubtless there will be false positives anyway.

LoughNeagh2017

No as I have so much pornography on my phone that apps won't download anymore. I tried to transfer some of it onto my computer but there is no memory left on it either

MrMusician18

DrGreenThumb82 wrote: »

Why are the poll results hidden?

That's a good question, I must've accidentally set that when I created the thread. I'll ask a mod to edit it

It's currently at 2/3 of respondents saying that they would download such an app.

Beasty

Poll now public at OP request

threeball

Don't google and apple know your every move anyway. Whats the difference in this app having your info?

d15ude

threeball wrote: »

Don't google and apple know your every move anyway. Whats the difference in this app having your info?

Google and Apple can't through you in jail, if they don't like your opinion.

ronano

petes wrote: »

You'd have to wonder what people are hiding or think they are hiding by saying 'absolutely not'!

sounds like a 'if you've got nothing to hide' I don't trust the government to make it secure and not have data leak etc. I'd still use the app because of the situation but I'd rather it was open sourced to be scrutinised.

Rodney Bathgate

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

No as I have so much pornography on my phone that apps won't download anymore. I tried to transfer some of it onto my computer but there is no memory left on it either

I hope you have all that content backed up.

d15ude

d15ude wrote: »

Google and Apple can't through you in jail, if they don't like your opinion.

I always love this kinda paranoid, over the top nonsense. As if people think they're some kind of film noir detective in soviet Russia where subversives are being jailed for daring to criticise the ruling party or something. GTFOH with your Walter Mitty bullcrap.

When has someone been jailed in Ireland for a difference of opinion in the last 50 years?
What sort of opinions do you hold that would warrant locking up?
How do you expect the Govt to extract those opinions from your phone ?
How many of these opinions do you express daily on social media anyway?
What colour is the sky in the world you inhabit if you think you're Jason Bourne walking around being tracked by the men in dark suits?

I'd love to see a venn diagram of those who said no and those who are critical of the lockdown, I'd imagine there's quite the overlap.

threeball

d15ude wrote: »

Google and Apple can't through you in jail, if they don't like your opinion.

Ahh FFS! At least spell throw right. It might make your idea seem less batsh1t.

Diarmuid

Deleted User wrote: »

I always love this kinda paranoid, over the top nonsense.

I suggest you open a history book. And read it this time.

mirrormatrix

Anyone know who machine.ie are?

Diarmuid

Diarmuid wrote: »

I suggest you open a history book. And read it this time.

I suggest you stop sniffing glue. If you think the Irish government are actively trying to monitor your data for nefarious purposes, with a view to throwing subversives in jail then you've got serious issues. this isn't China

GreyEagle

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd love to see a venn diagram of those who said no and those who are critical of the lockdown, I'd imagine there's quite the overlap.

I am strongly in favour of the lockdown.
But I am also concerned about putting an App of this nature on my smartphone without clear indications of it's scope, whether data is retained on the phone or centrally AND the sunset date for it's activity.

poff

I looked at the PDF released from the government on May, 2 (https://assets.gov.ie/73783/abfa8656b38f4a0ea9fab9c74d569ab8.pdf)

No mention of open source. Disappointing is all I can say. I would love to use such an app but if the government likes to mess it up due to not being open about it, my answer to "would I use it?" will be NO.

I understand the government and HSE by trying to get as much data as possible. Many people don't care, but there might be too many people who don't like that. The success of such an app depends on the amount of users, at least 60% of the population. Why putting that at risk?

Would it be not more useful to develop a minimalistic tracing app, decentralised, open source, that would be used by many people because it can be trusted? Would you use such an app? I would.

Not open - can't be verified - can't be trusted.

mille100piedi

I am not going to use any app.

poff

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

What personal details will people be giving the HSE that they don’t trust them with? Bank details? ATM PIN numbers? Pornhub search history? What you had for dinner?

Exactly, none of the above. I might not be able to give some of the above mentioned information, but even that is none of the HSE's or anybody else's business. I do not open up my private life, not what I read, what I eat, what I like, It is private and I will keep it that way.

I would not mind helping to flatten the curve, helping to trace infections, but that is all I am willing to do. And if this is not open, I won't even think about installing any app or switching on bluetooth.

fly_agaric

Xertz wrote: »

It wasn't due to pressure from public discussion that the Germans moved. Apple & Google have agreed a standard for decentralised, data protected approaches to this and more or less told European Governments to get stuffed if they want to use this to data grab.

To make it work, we will need both Android and iOS and Apple in particular will not allow active, always on, bluetooth scanning i.e. where the phone is constantly sniffing and hunting for bluetooth signals, other than in a very controlled way.

They've an API (set of APIs) that will allow these apps to work and there's an agreed protocol that will allow iOS and Android devices to communicate to do this, and it's all in a decentralised way.

Apple literally refused to budge a millimetre on this and were very concerned about both function creep and security issues for the OS itself, and Google seems to have agreed with them (not that Google isn't more than a little data grabby itself).

You could get an Android app to do always-on bluetooth scanning, but without iOS on board in Ireland you would have a ridiculous mess as the % of iPhones in use here is quite high by comparison to most of Europe and vastly higher than China, where the state can mandate all sorts of things on phones.

https://www.businessinsider.nl/france-uk-apple-contact-tracing-apps-2020-4?international=true&r=US

From an Irish point of view, it would make a lot more sense to build an app on Apple/Google APIs and within that spec, particularly as we will also likely have local support form the presence of both of their HQs for EMEA being here, but also it would just be easier, more likely to work very well and be stable.

Basically if the HSE pushes out a centralised app that's outside Apple's APIs, it won't work on iPhones and will be at best buggy on Android.

They need to utilise the fact that those two companies have huge presence here and work with them to get something rolled out fast.

I mean, given our proximity to so many of those tech companies, we should be first in the world to get this out and ready. It would make little sense to be following the UK or France on some implementation that is trying to swim up a river. Rather, just get the tech companies on board and get on board with them on a solution that more people would be comfortable with using.

If you don't use their APIs you're basically reinventing the wheel and it may well turn out to be the new square wheel.

Not to mention reduced maintenance costs, reduced overheads, better likelihood of a slick implementation, etc etc etc..

Have to say the power of these companies over the process is disturbing and really reveals the depth of our collective reliance on them.
Impression I am getting is that any contact tracing applications for European countries will be developed the way the big US tech multinationals want.
They will fully control how they operate, how they are distributed, who gets to use the APIs and any data they collect will run through their grubby little mitts first etc etc (edit, and for the logical reasons you point out that is the way it probably has to be...)
I don't understand the mindset that seems to implicitly trust these opaque foreign multinationals more than own democratically elected governments and their institutions.

SweetCaliber

As far as I know this app is being developed by a company called NearForm in Tramore, Co. Waterford

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/the-frontline-of-the-fight-against-covid-there-s-an-app-for-that-1.4235094

Danno

fly_agaric wrote: »

I don't understand the mindset that seems to implicitly trust these opaque foreign multinationals more than own democratically elected governments and their institutions.

To be honest, neither the Government or the large Multi-Nationals have covered themselves in glory when it comes to our personal data, have they?

Would you trust either?