Will you download the contact tracing app?

hmmm

FutureTeashock wrote: »

60% of Irish people will never download this app so, by the former health minister's own admission, this app WILL fail.

Does anyone disagree with the above statement?:D

The app was cheap to make, and is already alerting possible close contacts. Every little bit helps. Thanks for wishing the country well however.

jimmycrackcorm

FutureTeashock wrote: »

These tracking apps have flopped badly in every country they were introduced.

They offer no protection against a virus. In fact, they would lull some people into a false sense of security and have negative effects in that regard.

This Big Brother tech is doomed, and I'm delighted about that.

Seems to have been successful in South Korea. But more down to an acceptance of people to utilise it. But then SK doesn't have as many paranoid luddites as have here.

El Weirdo

FutureTeashock wrote: »

60% of Irish people will never download this app so, by the former health minister's own admission, this app WILL fail.

Does anyone disagree with the above statement?:D

At least one-quarter of the population will have to use the contact tracing app being developed by the Health Service Executive in order for it to work in helping to curb the spread of Covid-19, according to Minister for Health Simon Harris.

Internationally, the target adoption rates for tracker apps has been estimated at up to 60 per cent of the population, but Mr Harris says a US app similar to the one being developed by the HSE needs at least a 25 per cent uptake in order to have a significant impact on the rate of infection.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/contact-tracing-app-one-in-four-must-use-to-curb-covid-19-spread-1.4244108

jimmycrackcorm

FutureTeashock wrote: »

After all the fanfare upon its release, the downloads have stalled. And now there is an online twitter campaign to delete the app following the scandalous handling of data by the government in relation to PUP payments.

https://twitter.com/search?q=delete%20the%20covid%20app&src=typed_query


Nice to see people waking up to what the app is really about, albeit no one should have downloaded it in the first place.

That twitter campaign is a close cousin of the 5G causes COVID campaign.

robinph

FutureTeashock wrote: »

If the app does nothing to protect you from Covid, why would you download it?

The people downloading this crap think it will help them "stay safe", which is bollocks of course.

No they don't.

robinph

FutureTeashock wrote: »

60% of Irish people will never download this app so, by the former health minister's own admission, this app WILL fail.

Does anyone disagree with the above statement?:D

Once you take out pensioners in care homes, children without phones, people working from home, people who never use public transport, people who don't work in a office of other crowded environment, people who don't hang out down the pub and a bunch of other people who have limited interactions with anyone they don't know well in their day to day life then you don't need anything like 60% of the population to have the app being very useful indeed.

FutureTeashock

robinph wrote: »

Once you take out pensioners in care homes, children without phones, people working from home, people who never use public transport, people who don't work in a office of other crowded environment, people who don't hang out down the pub and a bunch of other people who have limited interactions with anyone they don't know well in their day to day life then you don't need anything like 60% of the population to have the app being very useful indeed.

The "experts" say 60% is necessary for it to be effective.

I thought we were supposed to trust the experts and follow the science, what happened to that?:D

hmmm

FutureTeashock wrote: »

The "experts" say 60% is necessary for it to be effective.

I thought we were supposed to trust the experts and follow the science, what happened to that?:D

60% was thought necessary to control the epidemic through the App alone. No-one expected 60% to install it.

What we have currently is great, which together with contact tracing, social distancing and the other measures are the current strategy.

robinph

FutureTeashock wrote: »

The "experts" say 60% is necessary for it to be effective.

I thought we were supposed to trust the experts and follow the science, what happened to that?:D

If 60% of the population of Dublin under 40 download it then it will be pretty damned effective at doing it's job.

People out and about with people they don't know are the ones who we need running the app.

El Weirdo

FutureTeashock wrote: »

The "experts" say 60% is necessary for it to be effective.

I thought we were supposed to trust the experts and follow the science, what happened to that?:D

If they're only "experts", what difference does it make what they say?

fly_agaric

1.44 million registrations. Seems to be saturated/saturating now but not too bad at all.
That must be a high proportion of the Irish adult population who would have a fairly up to date Android/Apple phone + can install and use it.

FutureTeashock

fly_agaric wrote: »

1.44 million registrations. Seems to be saturated now but not too bad at all.
That must be a high proportion of the Irish adult population who would have a fairly up to date Android/Apple phone + can install and use it.

Still not nearly enough to be successful against Covid-19 as per the experts...

It's a bit like saying " we only lost the match 3-2".

A loss is a loss no matter what way you package it.

fly_agaric

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Still not nearly enough to be successful against Covid-19 as per the experts...

It's a bit like saying " we only lost the match 3-2".

A loss is a loss no matter what way you package it.

As per you...and I have my doubts about your expertise
Maybe a legend in your own lunchtime!:pac:

hmmm

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Still not nearly enough to be successful against Covid-19 as per the experts...

We know that some people who have tested positive were using the app, as notifications have been received by some users. Happy days, every bit helps, good job everyone.

FutureTeashock

hmmm wrote: »

We know that some people who have tested positive were using the app, as notifications have been received by some users. Happy days, every bit helps, good job everyone.

Some people?:o Would you care to post a ball park figure, because that doesn't sound like very many to me.( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

hmmm

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Some people?:o Would you care to post a ball park figure, because that doesn't sound like very many to me.( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

It doesn't matter how many it is, it means it's working.

thelad95

Is it just me or is the daily number of check ins going down? Only at about 180k now, I think in the early days there was over 200k before midday nearly every day.

KathleenGrant

thelad95 wrote: »

Is it just me or is the daily number of check ins going down? Only at about 180k now, I think in the early days there was over 200k before midday nearly every day.

Check-ins don't matter though if your app is working properly (unless you have it of course)

plodder

BBC: Contact tracing app 'working in Ireland'

Some interesting stuff in that. First, the BBC reporters seem to originally have concluded that the apps weren't working because no country could tell them how many people had received a close contact alert. But, that is how the system is designed (as they later acknowledge). Nobody is able to tell how many receive such alerts.

However, the Irish app has the opt-in feature where some people who receive a close contact alert allow the HSE to call them. And apparently, there has been 91 of these calls up to when that article was written. So, the number of people here who have received a close contact alert is 91 at least.

hmmm

thelad95 wrote: »

Is it just me or is the daily number of check ins going down? Only at about 180k now, I think in the early days there was over 200k before midday nearly every day.

I suspect a lot of people think they may need to check-in every day for the app to work.

You don't need to check-in. It's good to do it if you remember as it supplies more data, but even if you just download the app and never open it again it is working away.

Thoie

I got a weird alert this morning (first time I'd seen it since installing it in the first few days) about "Exposure notifications".

Was a bit worried, but when I clicked into it, it just brought me to the exposure notification "settings". From there I can see that there were 29 checks in the last 14 days, which seems a bit low. I'm on Android, and I thought it was going to check every 2-3 hours. If I click "exposure checks" it gives me a list of dates and times, but not in order.

For example it shows

17 July
18:40
16:30
12:25

21 July
20:45

14 July
19:45

22 July
19:16

If I click into any of those it gives Timestamp,
Number of keys
0

Number of matches
0

App
Covid Tracker Ireland

Hash
fksjksdkfljsdf


Is it working correctly? I checked a few times when I knew I was in/around other people who also had the app. One period I know there were 4 of us with the app, but no-one else anywhere nearby, and that showed "Number of keys = 10". Another time I know I was in a car with my partner (who also has it installed) for a few hours, and that showed keys = 0.

Stark

Yeah I see similar. Also got a notification but it just said "this is your weekly exposures reminder" or something. Heart did stop for a second!

kippy

Thoie wrote: »

I got a weird alert this morning (first time I'd seen it since installing it in the first few days) about "Exposure notifications".

Was a bit worried, but when I clicked into it, it just brought me to the exposure notification "settings". From there I can see that there were 29 checks in the last 14 days, which seems a bit low. I'm on Android, and I thought it was going to check every 2-3 hours. If I click "exposure checks" it gives me a list of dates and times, but not in order.

For example it shows

17 July
18:40
16:30
12:25

21 July
20:45

14 July
19:45

22 July
19:16

If I click into any of those it gives Timestamp,
Number of keys
0

Number of matches
0

App
Covid Tracker Ireland

Hash
fksjksdkfljsdf


Is it working correctly? I checked a few times when I knew I was in/around other people who also had the app. One period I know there were 4 of us with the app, but no-one else anywhere nearby, and that showed "Number of keys = 10". Another time I know I was in a car with my partner (who also has it installed) for a few hours, and that showed keys = 0.

Did you turn off/on bluetooth at any point?
Only time I have seen any notification is around turning on/off bluetooth.

Stark

kippy wrote: »

Did you turn off/on bluetooth at any point?
Only time I have seen any notification is around turning on/off bluetooth.

The one I got was different to the one I get when I turn off Bluetooth.

plodder

Thoie wrote: »

Is it working correctly? I checked a few times when I knew I was in/around other people who also had the app. One period I know there were 4 of us with the app, but no-one else anywhere nearby, and that showed "Number of keys = 10". Another time I know I was in a car with my partner (who also has it installed) for a few hours, and that showed keys = 0.

The "number of keys" relates to people who have reported been infected and it's their keys that get uploaded from their phone and then distributed to other people's phones for checking within the following couple of hours. Each number is the number of new keys since the last time you checked. So, I'm guessing it could be zero, but the iOS version of the app doesn't show the zero reports at all. To complicate it further, there was a bug on Android where it was always reporting zero, but that has been fixed. I only noticed that it was fixed myself today.

Stark

Mine says last time it checked was yesterday evening. Maybe it only checks if the server has new infected keys or something.

fly_agaric

Stark wrote: »

Yeah I see similar. Also got a notification but it just said "this is your weekly exposures reminder" or something. Heart did stop for a second!

Got that also today + was surprising, not in a great way as you say. Looked like something coming direct from the Android service, like a reminder from Google that it is turned on and [if I remember correctly] it went into those settings [rather than the app] when I clicked it. What the point of it was I am not sure.

JazzyJ

Thoie wrote: »

I got a weird alert this morning (first time I'd seen it since installing it in the first few days) about "Exposure notifications".

...

Is it working correctly?

The notification literally says that its a weekly notification to say that exposure notifications is turned on!

hmmm

fly_agaric wrote: »

What the point of it was I am not sure.

I believe it's to remind people that it is turned on, so that no-one can claim they were secretly being tracked. Like those annoying cookie notices on websites

Thoie

JazzyJ wrote: »

The notification literally says that its a weekly notification to say that exposure notifications is turned on!

I didn't notice/see the word "weekly", but it then raises the question as to why I'm only seeing a weekly notification 2 weeks later. All minor things I'm sure they'll iron out.