Had enough of this lockdown am I the only person feeling like this?

Alf Veedersane

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

You have your mind fixated on this asymptomatic stuff I feel the threat is overblown and exaggerated

On what basis is it overblown and exaggerated? What is being overblown/exaggerated?

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

i think we should all take reasonable and sensible steps to avoid risk in life but within limits.

Wearing a mask is both reasonable and sensible. Not sure what limit other than the limit of what you want to do that it would exceed.

But you've decided you don't want to and I have zero chance of changing your mind.

As for the food analogy, it's not relevant. The idea of a mask is to protect others.

begbysback

Will a face mask keep the pollen out?

Plumbthedepths

begbysback wrote: »

Will a face mask keep the pollen out?

Depends on the facemask. I would imagine a Kn95 or Kn99 would.

begbysback

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Depends on the facemask. I would imagine a Kn95 or Kn99 would.

No hay fever & no corona, win win

weldoninhio

Drumpot wrote: »

If it transpires that everybody wearing masks reduces the spread (it does) And it’s one the strategies being employed you will be wearing a mask. I wish people would educate themselves on these things instead of just belligerently making statements on what suits them. My glasses steam up when I’m wearing a mask but I still wear it. You wear a basic face mask to protect others from you. We don’t know how many people are asymptomatic so you could have the virus and not even know it. If you wear a mask, it reduces how far your breath, cough, sneeze might travel and infect others.

"THE TAOISEACH HAS said the wearing of face masks in public will not be compulsory if it is introduced."


No i won't.

begbysback

weldoninhio wrote: »

"THE TAOISEACH HAS said the wearing of face masks in public will not be compulsory if it is introduced."


No i won't.

I wouldn’t begrudge anyone not wearing one, I prob wont wear one except maybe on the bus, and that’s for my own well being, not the stinky fecker that sits down beside me.

GazzaL

Traffic is very busy all day today. Two interesting graphs.

Here is the daily increase in traffic volumes since the lockdown started:


Here is the daily increase in people who have had enough of the lockdown:


There appears to be a correlation.

thegetawaycar

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

A pretty fair post for the most part but for the bit in bold.

Lets deal with the person doing 100km in the 30km zone before you start worrying about the person doing 35km.

That's not really how laws work, we don't only enforce against the greatest offenders or we'd never bother prosecuting low level drug dealers or shop lifters etc...

The above is exactly the same scenario as now, the guy doing 100km wasn't caught/prosecuted so then if I break the law I shouldn't be. It's not how they work.

The good news is we are coming to an end to the lockdown and we will be back to a "new norm" pretty soon.

eagle eye

ixoy wrote:

So you're actually in favour of removing restrictions once people are wearing face masks and using social distancing where possible?

I think three weeks of a proper lockdown with quarantine for anybody entering the country, everybody wearing facemasks and we should be good to go.

Antares35

eagle eye wrote: »

I think three weeks of a proper lockdown with quarantine for anybody entering the country, everybody wearing facemasks and we should be good to go.

This is the thing. I'm actually pro-"lockdown" and have been compliant all along - but I will be honest and admit is has been easy for me (and in fact, there have been many advantages) because of my circumstances, so I am not looking to be canonised for doing something that suits me :pac:

But, it is very annoying to read about people coming into Dublin airport and basically just not bothering to properly fill out the forms asking where they will be residing. How can contact tracing be done properly? And, why are they allowed to just wander into the country and give the two fingers to the process when people actually living here and who weren't on holidays etc. are expected to abide by the rules? I think a lot of the weariness and resentment of the restrictions is because they are not being universally applied. It is one rule for some and another for others. We all know there are certain cohorts of minorities who appear to be doing what they like...

CinemaGuy45

Antares35 wrote: »

We all know there are certain cohorts of minorities who appear to be doing what they like...

Why not just say it straight the lockdown has not been applied to the Travellers this is a 100% documented fact.

They have been allowed to do what they want when they want where they want.

The only punishment is for anybody that dares to mention it.

GreeBo

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

A pretty fair post for the most part but for the bit in bold.

Lets deal with the person doing 100km in the 30km zone before you start worrying about the person doing 35km.

Do you not see the inherent flaw with this arguement?
What about hte guy doing 36km/hr?
37?
40?
When does it become bad enough to do something about it?
If 40 is fine then why not make the limit 40? Is it because you will always have some numpty who thinks its limit+X, no matter what limit you set?

iamwhoiam

Antares35 wrote: »

This is the thing. I'm actually pro-"lockdown" and have been compliant all along - but I will be honest and admit is has been easy for me (and in fact, there have been many advantages) because of my circumstances, so I am not looking to be canonised for doing something that suits me :pac:

But, it is very annoying to read about people coming into Dublin airport and basically just not bothering to properly fill out the forms asking where they will be residing. How can contact tracing be done properly? And, why are they allowed to just wander into the country and give the two fingers to the process when people actually living here and who weren't on holidays etc. are expected to abide by the rules? I think a lot of the weariness and resentment of the restrictions is because they are not being universally applied. It is one rule for some and another for others. We all know there are certain cohorts of minorities who appear to be doing what they like...

People coming in through airports and ports not bothering to isolate . People allowed drive in from NI and go anywhere they like . Travellers meeting in large groups , street parties going on . And not one of these breeches policed or hindered

GazzaL

iamwhoiam wrote: »

People coming in through airports and ports not bothering to isolate . People allowed drive in from NI and go anywhere they like . Travellers meeting in large groups , street parties going on . And not one of these breeches policed or hindered

I had this same conversation with my barber last week.

CinemaGuy45

GreeBo wrote: »

Do you not see the inherent flaw with this arguement?
What about hte guy doing 36km/hr?
37?
40?
When does it become bad enough to do something about it?
If 40 is fine then why not make the limit 40? Is it because you will always have some numpty who thinks its limit+X, no matter what limit you set?

Read my opening post I went for one drive and one walk and came into contact with nobody.

We are meant to be a free county don't expect people to blindly accept everything the government says.

Large groups of travellers free to pass through Gardai checkpoints.
Free to race horses to death on public roads.
People from the North of Ireland free to travel all over Ireland.
Airports still open and people free to swan in and go wherever they like.
Slave scab labour flow in to pick fruit.

I went for one drive and met nobody got out for a walk and met nobody and people were saying they wished I would die in a road accident.

Jesus Christ how stupid are people?

This is not all about me but I can only speak for myself.

Here is common sense put the care homes into lockdown.
Enforce a proper quarantine on anybody entering the country at their own expense.
Close the boarder with the north except for people who have a VALID reason to be in the Republic.
Enforce the law with the travellers with an IRON FIST.

Try and save as many jobs as possible because it those of us who work who have to pay for all the above nonsense.

Edit €350 Covid payment is not going to last too much longer.

CinemaGuy45

GazzaL wrote: »

I had this same conversation with my barber last week.

How much did he charge you for the cut?:)

keybordWarrior

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Why not just say it straight the lockdown has not been applied to the Travellers this is a 100% documented fact.

They have been allowed to do what they want when they want where they want.

The only punishment is for anybody that dares to mention it.

TBF I would say that the Gardai would be undertaking an almighty task to try and get the travellers to follow lockdown protocol. They could never make it happen, and they'd just end up wasting so much resources trying to do it.

ELM327

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Why not just say it straight the lockdown has not been applied to the Travellers this is a 100% documented fact.

They have been allowed to do what they want when they want where they want.

The only punishment is for anybody that dares to mention it.

Exactly, no law is ever applied to them.
And if you dare criticise them in any way you get bleeding heart SJWs going after you.


In this pandemic it is crazy to be allowed travel and be here from the UK. Our borders should be shut to non essential commercial travel

Thelonious Monk

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Large groups of travellers free to pass through Gardai checkpoints.
Free to race horses to death on public roads.
People from the North of Ireland free to travel all over Ireland.
Airports still open and people free to swan in and go wherever they like.
Slave scab labour flow in to pick fruit.

Travellers are allowed do what they like with or without covid, this has been the case for ages, if we all acted like them the country would be a cesspit - you don't want to be like them. We do not have the systems in place to deal with them and probably never will.
Also "slave scab labour" is a bit harsh on those people they've done nothing wrong, just came here to work hard and earn a few quid. They wouldn't have got Irish people to do it, especially with the 350 euro a week going on, and the fact that it's tough work for minimum wage.
Just relax, and take things for how they are, you don't really have a choice.

Thelonious Monk

keybordWarrior wrote: »

TBF I would say that the Gardai would be undertaking an almighty task to try and get the travellers to follow lockdown protocol. They could never make it happen, and they'd just end up wasting so much resources trying to do it.

Exactly, the Garda are stretched enough as is and don't have the resources to deal with them, there is zero political will behind tackling them either and people turn a blind eye to them.
Luckily they only really socialise with each other so they're probably not going to be spreading the virus.

CinemaGuy45

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Travellers are allowed do what they like with or without covid, this has been the case for ages, if we all acted like them the country would be a cesspit - you don't want to be like them. We do not have the systems in place to deal with them and probably never will.
Also "slave scab labour" is a bit harsh on those people they've done nothing wrong, just came here to work hard and earn a few quid. They wouldn't have got Irish people to do it, especially with the 350 euro a week going on, and the fact that it's tough work for minimum wage.
Just relax, and take things for how they are, you don't really have a choice.

Legal Definition of scab
1 : a worker who refuses to join a labor union. 2 : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended. 3 : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike : strikebreaker. 4 : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms.

Don't misunderstand me scab labour conditions are an incitement of those imposing these conditions not the poor people who feel they have not choice but to accept them.
Nobody that I have seen has said one bad word about the workers.:)

I just think this whole situation could have been handled so much better.

You are right however I should relax I don't have a choice non of us do.

Thelonious Monk

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Don't misunderstand me scab labour conditions are an incitement of those imposing these conditions not the poor people who feel they have not choice but to accept them.
Nobody that I have seen has said one bad word about the workers.:)

I just think this whole situation could have been handled so much better.

You are right however I should relax I don't have a choice non of us do.

They get minimum wage with 80 a week taken for accom, so they're not actually working for less money. There was a thread on reddit by a bulgarian guy who worked for keelings for years, it actually sounds like a not too bad setup for them, nice digs in Santry and good money by their standards.

CinemaGuy45

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

They get minimum wage with 80 a week taken for accom, so they're not actually working for less money. There was a thread on reddit by a bulgarian guy who worked for keelings for years, it actually sounds like a not too bad setup for them, nice digs in Santry and good money by their standards.

Just chatting with you now not trying to make any point.:)

I can only guess that a persons hands would be in bits after a few days of picking fruit those bushes have thrones.

And I would guess gloves make it more difficult to feel what they are doing.

Thelonious Monk

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Just chatting with you now not trying to make any point.:)

I can only guess that a persons hands would be in bits after a few days of picking fruit those bushes have thrones.

And I would guess gloves make it more difficult to feel what they are doing.

I picked kiwis for a while it totally sucks

CinemaGuy45

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I picked kiwis for a while it totally sucks

What country and was the pay any use?

I bet you did not go back for a 2nd year.:)

degsie

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I can only guess that a persons hands would be in bits after a few days of picking fruit those bushes have thrones.

Think you need to go for another drive :cool:

Plumbthedepths

degsie wrote: »

Think you need to go for another drive :cool:

I'm willing to guess you knew the word should have been thorn instead of throne.

Thelonious Monk

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

What country and was the pay any use?

I bet you did not go back for a 2nd year.:)

$10 an hour in New Zealand under the table, peanuts, I didn't go back for a 2nd week ffs!

GreeBo

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Read my opening post I went for one drive and one walk and came into contact with nobody.

And?
You think the policy for the entire country should be based on your 1 experience?
Tell me this. What happens if everyone adopts your stance? Do you think by any chance you meet start to meet people on this walk of yours?

The rest of your post isn't worth replying to tbh, its just missing some "I'm a freeman of the land" type stuff.

Lefty Bicek

GreeBo wrote: »

And?
What happens if everyone adopts your stance?

Red herring.

It won't happen. It never does.