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    #3572
    Dog Botherer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭Dog Botherer


    Zzippy wrote: »
    He may well be a convicted felon by then, which would rule him out of running. Fingers crossed, anyway!

    Trump genuinely has more chance of being re-elected as President in 2024 than being successfully convicted of anything he’s done.


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    #3573
    FACECUTTR
    Registered Users Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭FACECUTTR


    It will be Donald who? after the inauguration until the investigations start. The Republicans are turning away from him now and theres no way he will get any backing for 2024. He will get banned from Twitter and lose his grip on his propaganda machine. Fox already cutting him loose. Good riddance.


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    #3574
    swiwi_
    Registered Users Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Not too long until European leaders start sending their gleeful congratulations messages I imagine. I wonder if Trump will even bother turning up to Biden's inauguration?

    I don't imagine Biden will be able to achieve that much without controlling the senate, but it will be refreshing to have a decent human being in charge.


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    #3575
    b.gud
    Registered Users Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭b.gud


    FACECUTTR wrote: »
    It will be Donald who? after the inauguration until the investigations start. The Republicans are turning away from him now and theres no way he will get any backing for 2024. He will get banned from Twitter and lose his grip on his propaganda machine. Fox already cutting him loose. Good riddance.

    I may not be remembering this correctly but I think they didn't really want him in 2016 but he whipped up so much support amongst Republicans they got stuck with him


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    #3576
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,407 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If he's still upright I'm sure he'll try but there is also the significant legal jeopardy he is in and remember - Biden can declassify whatever he wants when in office and Trump is already an unnamed co-conspirator.

    He used the office as a shield - that shield is about to be taken away. He could be in jail in 2024.

    My concern now is someone or a group making an attempt on Biden. After the Michigan State House, the plot to kidnap the Michigan Governor and the militia that was intercepted on it's way to the Pennsylvania convention centre - I think there are definitely groups out there who wont accept this and will take action.

    But Biden will win the election now, it's game over for Trump.

    A white supremacist group making a black woman president would be almost funny.


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    #3577
    Dog Botherer
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    FACECUTTR wrote: »
    It will be Donald who? after the inauguration until the investigations start. The Republicans are turning away from him now and theres no way he will get any backing for 2024. He will get banned from Twitter and lose his grip on his propaganda machine. Fox already cutting him loose. Good riddance.

    maybe but it seems like wishful thinking to me. Trump is still insanely popular with the grassroots, and Republicans already have a dwindling voter base. they’ll be very careful not to offend Trump as long as he has that control. there’s basically no precedent in modern American history for anyone with Trump’s political power and status facing any consequences for their actions. if Obama wouldn’t prosecute the bankers, Biden wouldn’t touch a former president.
    b.gud wrote: »
    I may not be remembering this correctly but I think they didn't really want him in 2016 but he whipped up so much support amongst Republicans they got stuck with him

    Correct. Trump is a direct result of decades of FOX News, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, and any other right wing crank the GOP could get their hands on whipping their voters into a frothing frenzy in order to turn them into an effective and reliable voter block. unfortunately they lost control of that machine, and with the Tea Party the first wave of politicians whose minds were rotted by FOX conspiracy nonsense came to power. MAGA and Trump was the next wave. We are now on the crest of the QAnon wave.


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    #3578
    swiwi_
    Registered Users Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Dog Botherer wrote: »
    maybe but it seems like wishful thinking to me. Trump is still insanely popular with the grassroots, and Republicans already have a dwindling voter base. they’ll be very careful not to offend Trump as long as he has that control. there’s basically no precedent in modern American history for anyone with Trump’s political power and status facing any consequences for their actions. if Obama wouldn’t prosecute the bankers, Biden wouldn’t touch a former president.

    Biden won't go near prosecuting Trump. He has nothing to gain and a lot to lose. Other agencies might though.


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    #3579
    awec
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Biden won't go near prosecuting Trump. He has nothing to gain and a lot to lose. Other agencies might though.

    Yea, Biden will likely never mention Trump again.


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    #3580
    Dog Botherer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭Dog Botherer


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Biden won't go near prosecuting Trump. He has nothing to gain and a lot to lose. Other agencies might though.

    Again, every institution in the USA is designed to ensure people like Trump never face these consequences. i admire the hopefulness, but it would be absolutely without precedent.


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    #3581
    Buer
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Biden won't go near prosecuting Trump. He has nothing to gain and a lot to lose. Other agencies might though.

    Absolutely. It would be political suicide. If he could do one thing to double down and galvanise the Republicans more than any other, it would be for him to actively facilitate or assist a prosecution of Trump.

    Biden's comments since the election have been very concentrated on healing and moving on. He's not going to flip that entirely to pacify the hard line element of his support.


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    #3582
    Zzippy
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    Dog Botherer wrote: »
    Again, every institution in the USA is designed to ensure people like Trump never face these consequences. i admire the hopefulness, but it would be absolutely without precedent.

    Nixon would probably have gone to jail but he was pardoned by Ford. Two attorney generals and his chief of staff served jail time, and many others involved were also convicted. It is not absolutely without precedent.


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    #3583
    Dog Botherer
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    Well also it’s very important than Presidents don’t get prosecuted for what they’ve done in office because that would open up a whole can of worms about Obama or the Iraq War that Biden probably wouldn’t want to touch.
    Zzippy wrote: »
    Nixon would probably have gone to jail but he was pardoned by Ford. Two attorney generals and his chief of staff served jail time, and many others involved were also convicted. It is not absolutely without precedent.

    not exactly refuting my point, in fairness.

    seems pointless to repeat myself, and in fairness i do hope they send the **** down for a 1000 years for the horrible **** he’s done. but they probably won’t. that’s the world we live in lads.


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    #3584
    Zzippy
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Dog Botherer wrote: »
    Well also it’s very important than Presidents don’t get prosecuted for what they’ve done in office because that would open up a whole can of worms about Obama or the Iraq War that Biden probably wouldn’t want to touch.



    not exactly refuting my point, in fairness.

    seems pointless to repeat myself, and in fairness i do hope they send the **** down for a 1000 years for the horrible **** he’s done. but they probably won’t. that’s the world we live in lads.

    The point is that it was widely expected that Nixon would face criminal trial for his actions, and the pardon proved highly controversial. But in any case, Bden doesn't need to go after Trump. He can just not stand in the way of e.g. the SDNY district attorney, who is already going after Trump and his family for fraud. Those would be state charges, not federal charges. For crimes committed prior to him running for office. And not a crime, therefore, that a presidential pardon could cover, should Biden wish to do so.


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    #3585
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Biden won't go near prosecuting Trump. He has nothing to gain and a lot to lose. Other agencies might though.

    He's answered questions about this and basically said that whoever the Attorney General is will decide who is prosecuted whether it's Trump or anyone else.
    awec wrote: »
    Yea, Biden will likely never mention Trump again.

    Judging by his statement last night that seems quite likely. Half expecting a tweet from Kamala Harris saying 'You're Fired' however!
    Zzippy wrote: »
    Nixon would probably have gone to jail but he was pardoned by Ford. Two attorney generals and his chief of staff served jail time, and many others involved were also convicted. It is not absolutely without precedent.

    Nixon agreed to go quietly into the night and in return he was pardoned, the issue was dropped and the country moved on.

    Trump will make no such deal and he is a pretty serious threat to peace in the US. I suspect the FBI will all over him, he'll get no quarter but I'm basing that on the likelihood that we've only heard a fraction of his crimes.


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    #3586
    Dog Botherer
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    Zzippy wrote: »
    The point is that it was widely expected that Nixon would face criminal trial for his actions, and the pardon proved highly controversial. But in any case, Bden doesn't need to go after Trump. He can just not stand in the way of e.g. the SDNY district attorney, who is already going after Trump and his family for fraud. Those would be state charges, not federal charges. And not a crime, therefore, that a presidential pardon could cover, should Biden wish to do so.

    Fair point. however, it does seem likely in that case that the Republicans could fairly easily rile their already furious and wounded base by spinning the (very much justified) prosecution of their darling ExPrez as a vile piece of insidious Democratic political revenge.

    i think in that case, if Biden really is committed to “healing the country” (a ludicrous goal given his gameplan but nevertheless), it’s probably in his interest to disencourage any investigation in Trump, because the GOP base (70 million odd people) would be ratcheted up to 11, regardless if Biden actually was in charge of prosecution.

    apologies for the run on sentences my brain is going 90 with the day that’s in it


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    #3587
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    Dog Botherer wrote: »
    the GOP base (70 million odd people) would be ratcheted up to 11

    They are very much already there. There are Militia occupying state houses, conspiring to kidnap governors, attempting to destroy vote counting centres and that's on top of all the people demanding that votes aren't counted.

    The losing candidate is going to get enough votes to win most years. This is peak polarisation and hopefully peak Republican.

    You can't ignore the President of the United States, but you absolutely can ignore Donald Trump and the amplification he enjoys from being President will inevitably die down out of office.

    He won't take any more part in the trappings of the office and will suit himself. He won't concede, he won't go to the inauguration and at some stage in the next few weeks he'll move to Maralego or back to Trump tower. It's not that out there to suggest that he might flee the country.


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    #3588
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    Dog Botherer wrote: »
    Again, every institution in the USA is designed to ensure people like Trump never face these consequences. i admire the hopefulness, but it would be absolutely without precedent.

    Tend to agree. I'll believe it when I see it.


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    #3589
    Neil3030
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    As soon as we get odds on Tucker Carlson running in 2024 I'm going in heavy.


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    #3590
    Dog Botherer
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    As soon as we get odds on Tucker Carlson running in 2024 I'm going in heavy.

    He’s a weird bowtie creep. No hope. Put the house on Mike Lindell.

    https://youtu.be/Cl1B2XxMngY


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    #3591
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,407 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I love this bit of shade

    Asked about the possibility that Donald Trump won’t concede, Joe Biden’s campaign pointed to a statement they made earlier this summer, indicating this is a scenario they’ve long anticipated.

    “As we said on July 19th, the American people will decide this election,” said spokesman Andrew Bates. “And the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House.”


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    #3592
    Dog Botherer
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    https://twitter.com/reportercioffi/status/1324743384427352066?s=21

    4 years of austerity it is. all blamed on Biden, of course. can’t over-emphasize how disastrous those down ballot results were for Dems.


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    #3593
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    RNC now going all in on Pennsylvania vote - they are going to attempt to make this a supreme court issue making it more important that Nevada and Arizona stay blue.


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    #3594
    Bazzo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    RNC now going all in on Pennsylvania vote - they are going to attempt to make this a supreme court issue making it more important that Nevada and Arizona stay blue.

    They will. His goose is completely cooked. Pretty much all the ballots in Nevada are from Las Vegas which is heavily democratic and the share of the votes coming in reflects that.

    And in Arizona he's only winning the ballots coming in something like 53-47, it needed to quite a bit more for him to be in with a hope.

    Just heard his tantrum/meltdown on the way home from work. ****ing manchild, how republicans can continue to not be completely embarrassed to have him representing them is way beyond me.


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    #3595
    swiwi_
    Registered Users Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Bernie Sanders is older than Biden I see.


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    #3596
    Neil3030
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    Anyone ever do a goose for Christmas dinner? Recommend it over turkey, or at least worth giving it a try?


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    #3597
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 17,150 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Can't believe I know people on Facebook who still defend this guy, for e.g.:
    I get it, you hated him 4 years ago and you still hate him now. I've seen a lot of hate thrown his way, but this guy is a consistent winner and an overachiever. Call it jealously, call it envy, some people just can't handle how successful he is and how much money he has, could even be jealous that he's got a hot foreign model as his wife. That's what the people who support him love about him. Yes there have been some scandals, yes there have been some lies, and maybe a few times he's twisted the truth to make himself look better. He's out there everyday proving those haters wrong time after time. You may not have wanted him in this role, but he's there now and there is nothing you or I can do about it. I know its possibly going to get worse over the next several days, but like him or not, Tom Brady is turning things around in Tampa Bay.


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    #3598
    Bazzo
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Anyone ever do a goose for Christmas dinner? Recommend it over turkey, or at least worth giving it a try?

    Had it on Christmas Eve a few years back. Was unbelievably tasty but got **** all meat from a massive goose. Loads of fat which made lovely roast spuds the following day.


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    #3599
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 17,150 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Bazzo wrote: »
    Had it on Christmas Eve a few years back. Was unbelievably tasty but got **** all meat from a massive goose. Loads of fat which made lovely roast spuds the following day.

    Did the fat cook out, like drippings in the pan, or did you have to carve through a bunch of it to get at the meat?


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    #3600
    Stheno
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Did the fat cook out, like drippings in the pan, or did you have to carve through a bunch of it to get at the meat?

    We have goose most years you cook it similar to duck,pierce the skin reputedly to let the fat drain out

    We also have turkey, ham and spiced beef


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    #3601
    Bazzo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Did the fat cook out, like drippings in the pan, or did you have to carve through a bunch of it to get at the meat?

    As far as I remember most of it dripped out into the roasting tray but my memory is a little hazy(as it usually is around Christmas).


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