Off Topic Thread 5.0

swiwi_

Who reckons trump will crack? If he wants to use Twitter he is obliged to remove his last 2 tweets before the ban...

molloyjh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think people can dismiss responsibility for the virus without having to engage too much in mental gymnastics but for a culture that worships freedom and democracy and sees America as a world leader in that regards I think the attempted coup is going to be quite jarring. Some of the loudest criticisms are coming from Republicans too.

Again - I doubt there will be much by way of consequences but this does feel different to previous scandals.

We've seen too many "last straws" at this stage. I dont believe for a second that this is any more than another false dawn. People have been too riled up, things like QAnon have taken too much hold, there are too many extremist or fringe groups that can be rallied together. We've spent the last 5-6 years saying "surely now they'll see sense".

From the abuse of the disabled, the sexual assaults, the porn star, the non stop firings from the White House, the Russian thing, the BLM clashes, the C19 pandemic, the f-ing disinfectant, the support of white supremacist groups, the refusal to admit defeat and subsequent undermining of the entire American democratic system. All these things and more were lines that we kept seeing getting pushed and supporters just power on through. We expected so many of them to put a halt to the cult. To turn the moderates back. To put an end to the crazy. The people Trump has following him do not see these lines. If they did they wouldn't have occupied Gov buildings.

The real line will come when the Republican party truly begins to fall apart. If Trump decides to continue this nonsense after he leaves office and actually seek reelection in 4 years then that may cause enough of a split in the Republican party to force them to change. Lets not forget that there were still 138 members of Congress who voted in support of the Pennsylvania objection after what happened yesterday. Its only when faced with ruin that the party will be forced to change. Off the back of Trump getting so many votes, the self interest brigade will happily ride on those contails in the hope it will bring them what they crave. And as long as they do, they'll have enough of the public to support them.

molloyjh

swiwi_ wrote: »

Who reckons trump will crack? If he wants to use Twitter he is obliged to remove his last 2 tweets before the ban...

He has removed them. Attention is king.

Bazzo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think people can dismiss responsibility for the virus without having to engage too much in mental gymnastics but for a culture that worships freedom and democracy and sees America as a world leader in that regards I think the attempted coup is going to be quite jarring. Some of the loudest criticisms are coming from Republicans too.

Again - I doubt there will be much by way of consequences but this does feel different to previous scandals.

From what I've seen republicans always seem very concerned right up until it comes to voting(in an election or in Congress)

Synode

molloyjh wrote: »

He has removed them. Attention is king.

It looks to me like they were removed by Twitter, not Trump.

Podge_irl

errlloyd wrote: »

A lot of countries with this level of malfunction are newly formed democracies or countries with years of grossly underperforming economics and lacking in public infrastructure. Sometimes they are countries that had hastily drawn up constitutional structures that didn't have the checks and balances required to prevent political malfunction.

What is the USA's excuse? They're literally coming to the end of 10 or 11 years of straight economic growth. They're the wealthiest country in the world and have been for a century. They are one of the most mature democracies and have strong (possibly too strong) checks and balances within their political system. They have a relatively free media.

It's not a million miles away from the collapse of the Roman Republic.

Generals/personalities became more important than the Senate. Norms started to be broken by powerful men with fervent support. It ultimately culminated in Julius Caesar.

Of course Caesar was brilliant and Trump is a gibbering moron. But its those that come after him and attempt to ape him but do so more intelligently that are the concern.

irishbucsfan

Police officer who shot the woman in the Capitol suspended the same week they announced the guys involved in the Blake shooting wouldn’t face further action.

I can’t imagine that’ll go down very well at all

Dave_The_Sheep

Podge_irl wrote: »

But its those that come after him and attempt to ape him but do so more intelligently that are the concern.

This is what worries me. Imagine Trump, but actually coherent and smart. Far more dangerous.

errlloyd

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Police officer who shot the woman in the Capitol suspended the same week they announced the guys involved in the Blake shooting wouldn’t face further action.

I can’t imagine that’ll go down very well at all

I've seen a better video of that shooting. And I cannot imagine for one second a more justified use of force.

Buer

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Police officer who shot the woman in the Capitol suspended the same week they announced the guys involved in the Blake shooting wouldn’t face further action.

I can’t imagine that’ll go down very well at all

I'd imagine it will go down very well with a lot of people in America, unfortunately.

Synode

errlloyd wrote: »

I've seen a better video of that shooting. And I cannot imagine for one second a more justified use of force.

I've seen a few vids too and it's a bit mad considering there was also cops behind the woman. She absolutely should not have been going through the window, but to shoot her is way over the top. Guess it was in line with the way the Cops over there act I suppose. I've always looked at America as a bit of a shíthole but my word, it really is going down the toilet since Trump took over

FACECUTTR

Synode wrote: »

I've seen a few vids too and it's a bit mad considering there was also cops behind the woman. She absolutely should not have been going through the window, but to shoot her is way over the top. Guess it was in line with the way the Cops over there act I suppose. I've always looked at America as a bit of a shíthole but my word, it really is going down the toilet since Trump took over

There was a guy with an M4 beside her aiming at the door and he was not police. That would have been an extremely difficult position to be in trying to stop an armed mob coming at what you are meant to protect.

Synode

FACECUTTR wrote: »

There was a guy with an M4 beside her aiming at the door and he was not police. That would have been an extremely difficult position to be in trying to stop an armed mob coming at what you are meant to protect.

You sure? Looked like police to me

Squidgy Black

FACECUTTR wrote: »

There was a guy with an M4 beside her aiming at the door and he was not police. That would have been an extremely difficult position to be in trying to stop an armed mob coming at what you are meant to protect.

Most definitely was police. There was 3 armed police with semi automatics standing in the crowd outside the door. You can see them signalling to the other officers after she gets shot, with the big massive Police letters across their chest and the badges...

Synode

They absolutely are Police

ClanofLams

Had a scan of the woman who was shot and died twitter’s page this morning, seriously disturbing reading, fully believed every conspiracy theory going. Hard to understand, guess some people are just especially vulnerable to that sort of stuff.

ito

Neil3030 wrote: »

Yeah 10 years is about the going rate for negotiating EU membership it seems.

But I reckon the main political risk facing Scotland would come from Spain not wanting to give any ideas to Catalonia / The Basque Country. Or possibly even Belgium and Flanders.

Why is that? The majority of Spanish population is PRO EU, because we are stronger together. Spain wants unity, that is what EU means.

The main reason part of Catalonia wants to be independant is because they are richer than the rest of the country and they don't want to share, end of the story. Do not forget that one of EU pillars of EU, one of its foundations are solidarity and unity; sharing with the ones that are needed. And that is basically why they don't have any real supporters in Europe.

Clegg

Government have decided not to go ahead with in class lesson for Leaving Cert students. Classes will be online starting next Monday.

Can't see how Foley retains any credibility in this. This was honestly the first big decision she's had to make and it last barely 24 hours.

FACECUTTR

Synode wrote: »

You sure? Looked like police to me

My apologies. I just watched 2 more videos from a different angle. Obviously those were much better than what I watched initially. Doesn't look great.

CatFromHue

ClanofLams wrote: »

Had a scan of the woman who was shot and died twitter’s page this morning, seriously disturbing reading, fully believed every conspiracy theory going. Hard to understand, guess some people are just especially vulnerable to that sort of stuff.

Some of the American media is almost propaganda.

I was over there a couple of years ago and after watching some of it remembering there's no way they're taking my gun and stopping me from exercising my rights. Then I remembered I don't have a gun, I'm not American, I'm there for less than a week, and I wasn't sure who they actually were!

As for why conspiracy theories are so popular you just have to remember there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the Gulf of Tonkin incident was staged which led to more intervention in Vietnam, and Project MK Ultra did happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Former Former Former

Synode wrote: »

I've seen a few vids too and it's a bit mad considering there was also cops behind the woman. She absolutely should not have been going through the window, but to shoot her is way over the top. Guess it was in line with the way the Cops over there act I suppose. I've always looked at America as a bit of a shíthole but my word, it really is going down the toilet since Trump took over

This was not an innocent civilian or some poor misfortunate who was pulled over for some minor infraction. This was an armed mob storming the nation's parliament.

You barricade the door, you shout warnings, you wave your gun - but they keep coming. What else do you do next except shoot?

You take part in an armed insurrection against democracy, you have to accept some risk of getting hurt. No sympathy whatsoever.

b.gud

Revolutions can be tough

https://twitter.com/holmescnn/status/1346987917273608194?s=19

b.gud

b.gud wrote: »

Revolutions can be tough

https://twitter.com/holmescnn/status/1346987917273608194?s=19

This the real version

https://twitter.com/schmoyoho/status/1347053742521262082

b.gud

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This the real version

https://twitter.com/schmoyoho/status/1347053742521262082

I did consider posting that one but I felt the context of the original was kind of needed to fully enjoy it. Glad you posted it though as it is brilliant

kuang1

b.gud wrote: »

I did consider posting that one but I felt the context of the original was kind of needed to fully enjoy it. Glad you posted it though as it is brilliant

That's the most I've laughed in days!

Synode

Former Former Former wrote: »

This was not an innocent civilian or some poor misfortunate who was pulled over for some minor infraction. This was an armed mob storming the nation's parliament.

You barricade the door, you shout warnings, you wave your gun - but they keep coming. What else do you do next except shoot?

You take part in an armed insurrection against democracy, you have to accept some risk of getting hurt. No sympathy whatsoever.

The way people are saying they were armed, you'd think they were all carrying guns. They weren't.

Zzippy

Synode wrote: »

The way people are saying they were armed, you'd think they were all carrying guns. They weren't.

Hard for the people defending the congress chamber to know that.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

This the real version

https://twitter.com/schmoyoho/status/1347053742521262082

I have been doubled over in laughter for ten minutes watching this.

Synode

Zzippy wrote: »

Hard for the people defending the congress chamber to know that.

I agree and unfortunately this is what happens when guns are so easily accessible.

stephen_n

It would appear not all the police were trying to keep them out.

https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1347312395736264704?s=21