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The Permanent Job Losses Thread

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    #62
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    Yeah it's going to be a rough ride over the next few years but we'll bounce back and it's easier to bounce back alive rather than dead.


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    #63
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    This virtue signaling about how anyone who is beginning to doubt the merits of quarantining healthy people is a selfish arsehole who is directly responsible for people dying is becoming tiresome. Its bordering on emotional blackmail at this stage. Think logically.

    Brilliant line and spot on. It's impossible to have any intelligent debate because of it.

    People post so much dribble and then keep repeating it over and over. The amount of stating-the-bleeding-obvious posts is incredible lately (the post above a perfect example actually).


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    #64
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Yeah it's going to be a rough ride over the next few years but we'll bounce back and it's easier to bounce back alive rather than dead.

    From your post one would be forgiven for thinking this virus has the same fatality percentage as falling from 10,000 ft. The majority of those infected recover fully.


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    #65
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Larry Goodman and Denis O Brien are cleaning up out of the 115M every month the private hospitals are getting ,

    The private hospitals have been 'taken over' and elective surgeries are cancelled. They are not being used yet because the public hospitals are coping. Nobody working in private hospitals really knows whats going on and the consultants/surgeons/nurses are all twiddling their thumbs. Why not restart simple elective surgeries again and start clearing the backlog?


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    #66
    Unearthly
    Registered Users Posts: 8,041 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    The economy was always going to be in tatters after a global pandemic.

    We will recover but for now spend any money you have on necessities only. Your 10 Instagram holidays a year will need to take a back seat


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    #67
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,417 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    McGaggs wrote: »
    Lol @ op thinking oasis and Debenhams would've been ok but for Covid19.

    They’d have likely muddled through with some restructuring.
    This was the fatal blow. As it will be for previously sound businesses


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    #68
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Even in New York, they didn't need any of the extra beds that they set up. The hospitals were not overwhelmed. Same in London, the field hospital sits empty.

    I don't know why Lombardy was such an exception. No doubt we will find out in time, I expect it will be found that a specific set of circumstances led to the system becoming overwhelmed in such a bad way.

    From what I can see, reopening but keeping social distancing measures in place as much as possible, and wearing masks in public is the way forward.

    No... they needed refridgerated trucks becuase their morgues were too full. They are also mass burying people on a plague like scale...


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    #69
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,300 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    No... they needed refridgerated trucks becuase their morgues were too full. They are also mass burying people on a plague like scale...

    But yet not one extra bed was used, that was from governor Cuomo himself.

    Also, the "mass graves" is always a thing, sadly. Its where they bury the unclaimed dead, although there have been more of those due to the pandemic, and not all actually died from coronavirus. But "Plague like scale"? Really? I'm not so sure about that. Typical example of people only reading the hysterical headline. Here is an actual measured article about those "mass coronavirus graves"

    Tldr?: They aren't anything new

    https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/10/831875297/burials-on-new-york-island-are-not-new-but-are-increasing-during-pandemic


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    #70
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Yeah it's going to be a rough ride over the next few years but we'll bounce back and it's easier to bounce back alive rather than dead.

    not many deaths from covid19

    more will die because their tests and procedures are being cancelled and postponed during the current lockdown than wil die from covid

    the vast majority are being asked to carry the can to protect the very few. It had merit at the beginning but not this long and not under the current measures.


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    #71
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    If the gov makes a mess of lifting restrictions on economic activity expect temporary closure of businesses to become permanent closures very soon.

    Temporary job losses will turn into permanent ones. Unemployment figures will skyrocket.

    The necessity to keep the lights on will force the lifting of restrictions one way or the other. Unfortunately by that time a lot of the damage will have been done.

    There will be a much bigger problem then.


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    #72
    kaahooters
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    this is a blantant gaslighting / astroturfing thread .


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    #73
    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    paw patrol wrote: »
    not many deaths from covid19

    more will die because their tests and procedures are being cancelled and postponed during the current lockdown than wil die from covid

    the vast majority are being asked to carry the can to protect the very few. It had merit at the beginning but not this long and not under the current measures.

    If you didn't have the current restrictions then a lot more would die from covid, that are now surviving. You would have more Doctors & Nurses dying, possibly quitting for fear of their lives (they are human after all with families) the Health system might not recover and those you speak of will die anyway. This cant be fixed in a few week or a month.

    They talk about flattening the curve, as it flattens the time scale increases.

    Ireland current progress still creeping up but not as steep
    6034073

    Now compare, bang on track. Once get past July it should hopefully go down hill. But if you ease too soon it start to go up again.

    6034073


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    #74
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do you think that business in the hospitality sector that open now will be able to open with full staff. Will be at 30% capacity if they are lucky with social distancing, and will struggle to get past 50% this year. Get our cases down towards single digits and they could potentially open at 70%+ capacity.

    I've repeatedly said busineses won't be opening at full capacity, and the longer this goes on, the less people that will be returning to work and the less businesses that will re-open at all.


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    #75
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    McGaggs wrote: »
    Lol @ op thinking oasis and Debenhams would've been ok but for Covid19.

    Right where I mentioned Debenhams and Oasis, I said "Companies who had issues coming into this crisis are in big trouble." The sooner the schools go back the better.


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    #76
    NH2013
    Registered Users Posts: 401 ✭✭NH2013


    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0501/1136063-aer-lingus-jobs-cuts/

    900 Jobs permenantly lost at Aer Lingus.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0501/1135969-ryanair-says-covid-19-impact-may-result-in-loss-of-up-t/

    3,000 to go at Ryanair.


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    #77
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    NH2013 wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0501/1136063-aer-lingus-jobs-cuts/

    900 Jobs permenantly lost at Aer Lingus.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0501/1135969-ryanair-says-covid-19-impact-may-result-in-loss-of-up-t/

    3,000 to go at Ryanair.

    Thanks Leo. Thanks Tony.


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    #78
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,756 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The premise of the OP is entirely simplistic and wrong blaming the measures for job losses.

    The virus is to blame and there would be many job losses regardless given key markets around the world are closed to us.

    Taking all in to account the lock down itself probably has very minimal effect on the outcome.

    The lock down measures are a symptom, not the cause.

    Without the lock down measures bringing the virus under control those markets would remain closed to us.

    For example, Trump has already said the US will not be opening travel to countries in which the virus is not under control.

    Imagine the damage being locked out from these markets would do.

    This is why the measures are essential and to prevent us being riddled with this and essentially barred from trading by our main trading partners.

    So no OP, your premise is completely wrong and misguided. We are saving jobs by getting this under control.


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    #79
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The premise of the OP is entirely simplistic and wrong blaming the measures for job losses.

    The virus is to blame and there would be many job losses regardless given key markets around the world are closed to us.

    Taking all in to account the lock down itself probably has very minimal effect on the outcome.

    The lock down measures are a symptom, not the cause.

    Without the lock down measures bringing the virus under control those markets would remain closed to us.

    For example, Trump has already said the US will not be opening travel to countries in which the virus is not under control.

    Imagine the damage being locked out from these markets would do.

    This is why the measures are essential and to prevent us being riddled with this and essentially barred from trading by our main trading partners.

    So no OP, your premise is completely wrong and misguided. We are saving jobs by getting this under control.

    We have the virus under control, R0 has been below 1 for weeks. All across Europe, countries are re-opening their economies. If we don't follow suit and ease restrictions, we will not be able to service both domestic and international markets and our reputation will be permanently damaged as a result of the lockdown. We now appear to be the slow man of Europe.


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    #80
    SeaBreezes
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    GazzaL wrote: »
    We have the virus under control, R0 has been below 1 for weeks. All across Europe, countries are re-opening their economies. If we don't follow suit and ease restrictions, we will not be able to service both domestic and international markets and our reputation will be permanently damaged as a result of the lockdown. We now appear to be the slow man of Europe.

    Sweden put the economy first:
    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1255851164920360960


    And a little lesson from history:
    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1252280196469792773


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    #81
    ZeroThreat
    Registered Users Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    GazzaL wrote: »
    We have the virus under control, R0 has been below 1 for weeks. All across Europe, countries are re-opening their economies. If we don't follow suit and ease restrictions, we will not be able to service both domestic and international markets and our reputation will be permanently damaged as a result of the lockdown. We now appear to be the slow man of Europe.

    Indeed, the pinko/leftie/progressive/liberal/woke brigade are exploiting this crisis to introduce virulent socialism by the back door. :mad:


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    #82
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,601 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    GazzaL wrote: »
    We have the virus under control, R0 has been below 1 for weeks. All across Europe, countries are re-opening their economies. If we don't follow suit and ease restrictions, we will not be able to service both domestic and international markets and our reputation will be permanently damaged as a result of the lockdown. We now appear to be the slow man of Europe.

    You've been talking about "countries re-opening economies" for the past ten days or so, what do you mean by this and what countries are you talking about?


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    #83
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    GazzaL wrote: »
    Thanks Leo. Thanks Tony.

    Not sure if serious :confused:

    Are you actually blaming both for AL and Ryanair job losses and not the monumental pandemic riddled cluster**** of an external environment both airlines are operating in?

    Because if you are, stupidity has reached a new level.


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    #84
    thegetawaycar
    Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭thegetawaycar


    NH2013 wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0501/1136063-aer-lingus-jobs-cuts/

    900 Jobs permenantly lost at Aer Lingus.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0501/1135969-ryanair-says-covid-19-impact-may-result-in-loss-of-up-t/

    3,000 to go at Ryanair.

    Hardly a shock, people aren't going to want to be travelling too much during/straight after a pandemic.
    I would doubt even if restrictions were lifted that airlines could be very profitable and adhere to social distancing measures.
    I wonder what the future is for air travel in general.


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    #85
    paddythere
    Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭paddythere


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's not a chicken and egg sorry. Commerce is what allows one have good health.

    No, exercising and eating right will do that


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    #86
    NH2013
    Registered Users Posts: 401 ✭✭NH2013


    thegetawaycar wrote: »
    Hardly a shock, people aren't going to want to be travelling too much during/straight after a pandemic.
    I would doubt even if restrictions were lifted that airlines could be very profitable and adhere to social distancing measures.
    I wonder what the future is for air travel in general.

    Not unexpected but will still come as a blow to the almost 4,000 families tonight who will now be wondering how they will pay the bills and mortgages over the next 2-3 years, it's not as if Pilots and Aircraft Engineers are exactly transferrable skills so many will now be long term unemployed for the next 2-3 years until air travel recovers, and I imagine this will be the first of many companies laying off workers over the coming weeks and months.

    My heart goes out to those who've lost their jobs, even if the circumstances are totally beyond anyone's control, restrictions or not, there will be 10's of 1,000's of job losses over the next few weeks and months, it's inevitable. These are real families with real expenses and they've now lost their jobs for the foreseeable future.


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    #87
    [Deleted User]
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    GazzaL wrote: »
    We have the virus under control, R0 has been below 1 for weeks. All across Europe, countries are re-opening their economies. If we don't follow suit and ease restrictions, we will not be able to service both domestic and international markets and our reputation will be permanently damaged as a result of the lockdown. We now appear to be the slow man of Europe.

    We’re weeks behind Europe in terms of coming through the other side- your posts are both idiotic and misinformed


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    #88
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,776 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Just as a virus takes down many people with underlying conditions and some with none, so it will be with companies.

    If R0 is so low, why are there still so many cases?


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    #89
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    paddythere wrote: »
    No, exercising and eating right will do that

    You need money to eat right.


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    #90
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Just as a virus takes down many people with underlying conditions and some with none, so it will be with companies.

    If R0 is so low, why are there still so many cases?

    Nursing homes. Petrie dishes.


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    #91
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    GazzaL wrote: »
    The hospitals aren't overwhelmed. Our ICUs are only at 33% capacity. We're paying €115m per month to keep private hospitals 75% empty. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/calls-to-revisit-private-hospital-deal-as-beds-lying-empty-despite-115m-per-month-cost-to-taxpayer-996616.html

    Our ICUs aren't running at 33% capacity, it's considerably higher than that.


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