The Permanent Job Losses Thread

skallywag

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The premise of the OP is entirely simplistic and wrong blaming the measures for job losses.

I think that the OP posted in good faith.

That said, the OP is either a child or someone who struggles with complex situations where logical thought is a prerequisite.

Plumbthedepths

Amirani wrote: »

Our ICUs aren't running at 33% capacity, it's considerably higher than that.

As of yesterday evening there was 104 people in ICU, what's the ICU capacity in the state?

paddythere

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You need money to eat right.

Not a lot of it though. I spend about 40-45 quid on food a week and have under 10% bodyfat.

CinemaGuy45

ceadaoin. wrote: »

99%+ of people who are infected with covid19 will survive. I'm not sure the same is going to be said about the economic and emotional consequences of an extended lockdown. Not everyone is going to be able to "weather the storm". Good for you if you can, I can too, but I am very concerned about those who can't.

This virtue signaling about how anyone who is beginning to doubt the merits of quarantining healthy people is a selfish arsehole who is directly responsible for people dying is becoming tiresome. Its bordering on emotional blackmail at this stage. Think logically.

How dare you tell people to think logically.:mad:

Most of the people you are talking about barely think at all they need to learn to crawl before they can run.:D;)

CinemaGuy45

road_high wrote: »

Going to be a very busy thread unfortunately. Some people think this is some kind of free holiday. Business that would never have gone under even in past recessions will go to the wall.
Debenhams are the most obvious to date, airlines and hospitality have had major job losses already.
Many thought on closure mid March it would only be a two or three week thing. It’s unprecedented now to be heading for two months of closure and unsustainable

Ah no sure we will be grand.

Jim_Hodge

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

As of yesterday evening there was 104 people in ICU, what's the ICU capacity in the state?

That's only Covid patients in ICU there's more than that figure again of non Covid ICU patients. And the Covid figure is only what it is due to the restrictions.

People seem to have lost sight of the bigger picture here.

Amirani

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

As of yesterday evening there was 104 people in ICU, what's the ICU capacity in the state?

There may be 104 people in ICU with Covid. There are more non-Covid than Covid in ICU at the moment (about twice as many).

Our ICUs normally run at over 90% capacity without Covid.

Plumbthedepths

Amirani wrote: »

There may be 104 people in ICU with Covid. There are more non-Covid than Covid in ICU at the moment (about twice as many).

Our ICUs normally run at over 90% capacity without Covid.

Can you tell me the occupied % of ICU regardless of patient condition?

risenbass

ceadaoin. wrote: »

99%+ of people who are infected with covid19 will survive. I'm not sure the same is going to be said about the economic and emotional consequences of an extended lockdown. Not everyone is going to be able to "weather the storm". Good for you if you can, I can too, but I am very concerned about those who can't.

Can I ask where you're getting that stat from? From looking at the official stats I'm working it out that almost 6% of people who contracted it have died in Ireland. Globally it's over 7%.

CinemaGuy45

risenbass wrote: »

Can I ask where you're getting that stat from? From looking at the official stats I'm working it out that almost 6% of people who contracted it have died in Ireland. Globally it's over 7%.

Rubbish.

risenbass

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Rubbish.

Can you back that up or should we all just take your word on it?

Plumbthedepths

risenbass wrote: »

Can I ask where you're getting that stat from? From looking at the official stats I'm working it out that almost 6% of people who contracted it have died in Ireland. Globally it's over 7%.

Do you believe 6% of the population is dead from Covid and 7% of the global population is dead? What's 6% of 4.7million and 7% of 7 billion?

CinemaGuy45

risenbass wrote: »

Can you back that up or should we all just take your word on it?

I don't need to back up easily verifiable facts and you don't strike me as the kind of person who would accept them anyway.

Having said that I could not resist here is one link find the rest yourself or don't whatever.

Coronavirus Antibodies Present In Nearly 25% Of All NYC Residents, Cuomo Says; Un-PAUSE In Certain Regions Of NY Might Begin In May

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/27/coronavirus-antibodies-present-in-nearly-25-of-all-nyc-residents/

risenbass

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Do you believe 6% of the population is dead from Covid and 7% of the global population is dead? What's 6% of 4.7million and 7% of 7 billion?

No I said 6% of people who have a confirmed case have died. Please don't twist my words.

Plumbthedepths

risenbass wrote: »

No I said 6% of people who have a confirmed case have died. Please don't twist my words.

Actually a significant number of the deaths are not laboratory Covid confirmed deaths but suspected. 140 was a number I read.

CinemaGuy45

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually a significant number of the deaths are not laboratory Covid confirmed deaths but suspected. 140 was a number I read.

Shut up.

Yes I know billy fell down the stairs and had a stoke after getting hit by a steamroller but what has that got to do with anything?

Clearly a covid 19 death who are you to say otherwise?

:P

risenbass

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually a significant number of the deaths are not laboratory Covid confirmed deaths but suspected. 140 was a number I read.

That's fine, all I was pointing to was the percentage based off of the official stats.

Wow if it's 140 it would be way off what is being released.

ShineOn7

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Considering the fatality rate unless you have an underlying condition you will have a greater chance of dying from something else in the next year or two rather than Covid.

Mathematically, completely and utterly total nonsense

ShineOn7

road_high wrote: »

Going to be a very busy thread unfortunately. Some people think this is some kind of free holiday. Business that would never have gone under even in past recessions will go to the wall.
Debenhams are the most obvious to date, airlines and hospitality have had major job losses already.
Many thought on closure mid March it would only be a two or three week thing. It’s unprecedented now to be heading for two months of closure and unsustainable

Did you know that the hedge fund that own Debenhams are 600 Million in debt? They were completely fúcked anyway, this just sped things up

Do you think this government or any government would do this unless they looked at the horrible alternative? They love their VAT and economy money

Do you read a newspaper that hasn't got a red top?


So many questions ....

Lurching

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's not a chicken and egg sorry. Commerce is what allows one have good health.

So if we have an open economy with bodies stacking up on the streets like in New York and parts of South America, our economy will recover?

Unlikely.

Commerce may allow you to have good health, but without good health, commerce does not happen.

Chicken and egg.

Sweet.Science

Are teachers still getting full pay ?

Wanderer78

Sweet.Science wrote:

Are teachers still getting full pay ?

Permanent probably are, some temporary may not be, why?

johnmcdnl

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Even in New York, they didn't need any of the extra beds that they set up. The hospitals were not overwhelmed. Same in London, the field hospital sits empty.

I don't know why Lombardy was such an exception. No doubt we will find out in time, I expect it will be found that a specific set of circumstances led to the system becoming overwhelmed in such a bad way.

From what I can see, reopening but keeping social distancing measures in place as much as possible, and wearing masks in public is the way forward.

It was the first western region to be impacted and there were over 7000 cases before restrictions really started to kick in. Then the rest of the west reacted and locked down before they got to the state that Lombardy found itself in using the learnings from Lombardy to guide their own decisions.

Throw in the Atlanta vs Valencia game in Milan on 19/02/2020, which was was attended by a 40,000 Bergamo residents, (33% of the population), and the virus spread like widfire afterward, and led to a contigent of Valencia fans bringing the virus back to Spain.

Had the outbreak began anywhere else, or even had the virus been detected sooner, that game of soccer would never have taken place or caused the havoc it did. We seen how on the 26/02 Ireland's match in the 6 Nations was cancelled against Italy. That's a week later, and think how that game could have brought the virus to Ireland on a whole different level had it not been cancelled. We have the Irish government and IRFU to thank for cancelling that game despite the misgivings some had at the time that it was an over reaction.

Those type of reactions are the reason why Ireland and other regions have been luckier than northern Italy. They had the chance to see and react after northern Italy suffered and we understood how bad it could have been.

Mr. teddywinkles

johnmcdnl wrote: »

It was the first western region to be impacted and there were over 7000 cases before restrictions really started to kick in. Then the rest of the west reacted and locked down before they got to the state that Lombardy found itself in using the learnings from Lombardy to guide their own decisions.

Throw in the Atlanta vs Valencia game in Milan on 19/02/2020, which was was attended by a 40,000 Bergamo residents, (33% of the population), and the virus spread like widfire afterward, and led to a contigent of Valencia fans bringing the virus back to Spain.

Had the outbreak began anywhere else, or even had the virus been detected sooner, that game of soccer would never have taken place or caused the havoc it did. We seen how on the 26/02 Ireland's match in the 6 Nations was cancelled against Italy. That's a week later, and think how that game could have brought the virus to Ireland on a whole different level had it not been cancelled. We have the Irish government and IRFU to thank for cancelling that game despite the misgivings some had at the time that it was an over reaction.

Those type of reactions are the reason why Ireland and other regions have been luckier than northern Italy. They had the chance to see and react after northern Italy suffered and we understood how bad it could have been.

If we're so great how did it get into the the nursing homes. The one place it should have been in severe lockdown with massive hygiene standards and restrictions.

uli84

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Are teachers still getting full pay ?

I’m sure they do, in my sons there are 13 kids in google classroom- a book is read to them once a day and 1 vague task given like draw/write what you’ve done today. This is 1st class (!)

GazzaL

One of the largest commercial landlords in the UK has received only 40% of the rent they are owed for the three months to June 24, and income for the next quarter is expected to be substantially lower. They will be taking legal action against some big name companies. Job losses will undoubtedly follow. No doubt the situation will be similar if not worse in Ireland due to the protracted "plan" issued by the Government/HSE.

It beggars belief in the Government/HSE "plan" that some businesses like Boots are allowed to open in shopping centres, but every other business in shopping centres who could just as easily implement social distancing are forced to close until the 20th July. Social distancing is arguably even easier in other shops when you consider the narrow aisles in pharmacies.

https://www.ft.com/content/5c20b7cd-6616-4e74-a21c-611b3c314647

GazzaL

GazzaL wrote: »

One of the largest commercial landlords in the UK has received only 40% of the rent they are owed for the three months to June 24, and income for the next quarter is expected to be substantially lower. They will be taking legal action against some big name companies. Job losses will undoubtedly follow. No doubt the situation will be similar if not worse in Ireland due to the protracted "plan" issued by the Government/HSE.

It beggars belief in the Government/HSE "plan" that some businesses like Boots are allowed to open in shopping centres, but every other business in shopping centres who could just as easily implement social distancing are forced to close until the 20th July. Social distancing is arguably even easier in other shops when you consider the narrow aisles in pharmacies.

https://www.ft.com/content/5c20b7cd-6616-4e74-a21c-611b3c314647

Boots are a chemist. A necessary supplier. Same as grocery stores. Clothes shops aren’t.

GazzaL

Deleted User wrote: »

Boots are a chemist. A necessary supplier. Same as grocery stores. Clothes shops aren’t.

I've know that, but in a phased re-opening, it's easier for their neighbouring shops to implement social distancing. I don't see the logic in forcing them to close until 20th July.

GazzaL

GazzaL wrote: »

I've know that, but in a phased re-opening, it's easier for their neighbouring shops to implement social distancing. I don't see the logic in forcing them to close until 20th July.

I imagine that it’s to keep footfall to a minimum.

GazzaL

Eventbrite will be cutting jobs in Ireland. They are reducing their global workforce by 45%.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/eventbrite-staff-cuts-to-include-cork-workers-997192.html