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EmmetSpiceland

Feisar wrote: »

It was me that used the term "domed head" to explain the head sitting slightly proud of the top of the glass.

Sorry, I know what it means, just didn’t know if one could be achieved in a “one pour” pint.

It’s always sad when you get one with a “concave” top.

A mate of mine always said that if you can tilt the glass slightly and have the head stay on the level it was a sign of a “good” pint.

Capt'n Midnight

Tiredalways wrote: »

Being bought by mondelez ruined them. But ive discovered german chocolate from lidl/aldi is the business. Delicious and creamy and praline is a joy to behold

Dairyfine is nowhere near as nice as the old Cadbury's chocolate.

Then again neither is the new Cadbury's chocolate. It's no longer a product worth paying a premium for.

Hotblack Desiato

irish_goat wrote: »

Whatever about the two part pour, Diageo's stout has to be the wateriest and blandest on the market.

That's why people like it.

Same goes in the lager market.

JohnnyFlash

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

That's why people like it.

Same goes in the lager market.

You can throw 10 pints of Guinness down the hatch without a bother. If you did that with 10 pints of Brewers Balls Imperial Russian Stout then you’d be in a coma.

kingtiger

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I've heard that the two part pour is bullshit. Is it?

Guinness replaced their traditional wooden casks with nitrogen metal kegs in the 50s therefore ending the need for the two pint pour.

So as part of their advertising campaign at the time the regular Guinness drinkers needed to be reassured that the new stout was just as he same as the cask version, so the two part pour was enshrined into a new myth

Give me a large bottle of stout without nitrogen any day

kingtiger

kingtiger wrote: »

Guinness replaced their traditional wooden casks with nitrogen metal kegs in the 50s therefore ending the need for the two pint pour.

So as part of their advertising campaign at the time the regular Guinness drinkers needed to be reassured that the new stout was just as he same as the cask version, so the two part pour was enshrined into a new myth

Give me a large bottle of stout without nitrogen any day

Stout from a bottle is only suitable for going into a stew.

Creamy delicious Guinness draught is the stuff of legend. I’d pay 50 euro a pint for a feed of them at this stage!

Feisar

kingtiger wrote: »

Guinness replaced their traditional wooden casks with nitrogen metal kegs in the 50s therefore ending the need for the two pint pour.

So as part of their advertising campaign at the time the regular Guinness drinkers needed to be reassured that the new stout was just as he same as the cask version, so the two part pour was enshrined into a new myth

Give me a large bottle of stout without nitrogen any day

Off the shelf, hard to beat, my drink of choice.

kingtiger

Feisar wrote: »

Off the shelf, hard to beat, my drink of choice.

a man after my own heart

Esel

Large bottle off the shelf - your only man.

Hotblack Desiato

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Stout from a bottle is only suitable for going into a stew.

A far superior drink to draught, but that's just my opinion.

Creamy delicious Guinness draught is the stuff of legend. I’d pay 50 euro a pint for a feed of them at this stage!

The *EXACT* same product was available in your local supermarket last weekend for the equivalent of about 1.50 a pint.

Hotblack Desiato

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

The *EXACT* same product was available in your local supermarket last weekend for the equivalent of about 1.50 a pint.

Unless your local supermarket had a Guinness tap, gas line and cooler then no it wasn’t and even then would probably be bad pints compared to a pub known for good Guinness. Guinness out of a tap in a pub that does good Guinness is a completely different drink to anything from a bottle or can. It’s so much better it’s not even possible to compare.

Ush1

Stout is supposed to be room temperature.

I like Guinness but it's not proper stout, especially when it's chilled. It's a watery mass produced one that is easy to drink. Same as most stuff out there.

kingtiger

Ush1 wrote: »

Stout is supposed to be room temperature.

I like Guinness but it's not proper stout, especially when it's chilled. It's a watery mass produced one that is easy to drink. Same as most stuff out there.

indeed, I too was a Guinness drinker upto a few years ago, until I tried a homebrew chocolate stout and then my tastebuds completely changed

I would still drink the odd bottle off the shelf but now I just find Guinness watery and bland

its like the Budweiser of Stout

cj maxx

Fairy liquid .
They used to have it as a selling point that you didn't need as much as other brands but it's the exact same now

Ush1

Ush1 wrote: »

Stout is supposed to be room temperature.

I like Guinness but it's not proper stout, especially when it's chilled. It's a watery mass produced one that is easy to drink. Same as most stuff out there.

Even Guinness is red rotten at room temperate, has to be chilled like any other beer.

cj maxx

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Even Guinness is red rotten at room temperate, has to be chilled like any other beer.

Yeah but some pubs take chilling beer too far. Chilled yes but some places it's too cold to drink

EmmetSpiceland

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Even Guinness is red rotten at room temperate, has to be chilled like any other beer.

I assume he’s talking about the “old style” bottled stout. The one that, not only, gives you Guinness farts but also manages to taste like Guinness farts.

Saul88

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Unless your local supermarket had a Guinness tap, gas line and cooler then no it wasn’t and even then would probably be bad pints compared to a pub known for good Guinness. Guinness out of a tap in a pub that does good Guinness is a completely different drink to anything from a bottle or can. It’s so much better it’s not even possible to compare.

So you think Guinness sloshing around in the back of a van as it goes from stop to stop is going to be that much better than out if a can?

At least with a can you can put it in the fridge and let it rest for a day or two.

cj maxx

cj maxx wrote: »

Yeah but some pubs take chilling beer too far. Chilled yes but some places it's too cold to drink

Agreed, it is too cold in many places but the type of place that’s it’s too cold it’s probably needed to make it drinkable!

Saul88 wrote: »

So you think Guinness sloshing around in the back of a van as it goes from stop to stop is going to be that much better than out if a can?

At least with a can you can put it in the fridge and let it rest for a day or two.

I wouldn’t pay much for a pint out of the back of a van, fully agreed it would be poor fare. I meant getting proper pints from a pub.

stratowide

It's been years since I've been drinking Guinness.

But when I was a pint from the tap in a pub was the only way to drink it.
Two pours to get the head right.Slightly cooled.

Bottles and cans of it were pure pisch in my opinion.

Dunno maybe they've upped the taste since.

Hotblack Desiato

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Unless your local supermarket had a Guinness tap, gas line and cooler then no it wasn’t and even then would probably be bad pints compared to a pub known for good Guinness. Guinness out of a tap in a pub that does good Guinness is a completely different drink to anything from a bottle or can. It’s so much better it’s not even possible to compare.

There is no chance you could tell the difference in a blind taste test. No chance whatsoever.

mehico

cj maxx wrote: »

Yeah but some pubs take chilling beer too far. Chilled yes but some places it's too cold to drink

I'm not sure if it is still available but there used to be an extra cold version of Guinness available in some pubs.

Hotblack Desiato

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

There is no chance you could tell the difference in a blind taste test. No chance whatsoever.

Between a can of Guinness and draught Guinness? Are you joking? It would be as different to me as if you gave me a pint of coke and a pint of milk and claimed I couldn’t tell the difference. There is absolutely no comparison in taste or texture between a can of Guinness and a pint of Guinness on draught.

To be honest I would tell you by looking at them and by smelling them before ever tasting.

EmmetSpiceland

Canned Guinness has come on a long way but they are still, at best, a “bad pint” of Guinness.

There is, literally, no comparison with a “proper” pint of, tap pulled, draught. None.

EmmetSpiceland

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Canned Guinness has come on a long way but they are still, at best, a “bad pint” of Guinness.

There is, literally, no comparison with a “proper” pint of, tap pulled, draught. None.

Cans of Guinness are ok, the best thing they have is consistency which you dont get from one pub to the next with draught.

I'll nearly always have cans of Guinness in the house and tip away at them but my weekly beer shopping will be mostly IPA as I much prefer an IPA from a bottle than Guinness from a can. My current favourite is The Journeyman IPA from supervalue (blue and red) I couldn't put a number on how many of those I've drank over the last few months with the pubs closed. Nearly time to pack in work and open one actually!

JohnnyFlash

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Cans of Guinness are ok, the best thing they have is consistency which you dont get from one pub to the next with draught.

I'll nearly always have cans of Guinness in the house and tip away at them but my weekly beer shopping will be mostly IPA as I much prefer an IPA from a bottle than Guinness from a can.

Same as myself Nox, even though I find too many pale ales to be a bit tough on the lower digestive system.

Find O’Hara’s red ale to be a very tasty drop, and you can put away a good skelp of them without feeling too ropey the next day.

c.p.w.g.w

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Canned Guinness has come on a long way but they are still, at best, a “bad pint” of Guinness.

There is, literally, no comparison with a “proper” pint of, tap pulled, draught. None.

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Between a can of Guinness and draught Guinness? Are you joking? It would be as different to me as if you gave me a pint of coke and a pint of milk and claimed I couldn’t tell the difference. There is absolutely no comparison in taste or texture between a can of Guinness and a pint of Guinness on draught.

To be honest I would tell you by looking at them and by smelling them before ever tasting.

Its funny you say that...

My buddy ran a pub a few years back, all the regular Guinness drinkers were saying they could tell the difference between a can/draught etc

So one night before it got busy, they did a blind taste test(with 3 of these lads)...they all said that they were tricked, as both pints they tasted were from the tap...both pints were from cans...

Sultan of Bling

mehico wrote:

I'm not sure if it is still available but there used to be an extra cold version of Guinness available in some pubs.

It's gone a long time. Don't think it did well sales wise but have to admit I did actually like it.

Sacrilege, I know!

c.p.w.g.w

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Same as myself Nox, even though I find too many pale ales to be a bit tough on the lower digestive system.

Find O’Hara’s red ale to be a very tasty drop, and you can put away a good skelp of them without feeling too ropey the next day.

one thing i have found with IPA's is Cascade Hops...Some IPA's seem to have a good blend...But some are loaded with Cascade Hops and i just find the flavour unpalatable...

Galway Hooker & Proper Job seem to both use Cascade, but for me the Proper Job has too much of it...

EmmetSpiceland

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Its funny you say that...

My buddy ran a pub a few years back, all the regular Guinness were saying they could tell the difference between a can/draught etc

So one night before it got busy, they did a blind taste test(with 3 of these lads)...they all said that they were tricked, as both pints they tasted were from the tap...both pints were from cans...

Find that very surprising. I drink canned Guinness the odd time but it’s never, ever, been anywhere near the “pub pulled” version.

Even the look of it, the bubbles in the head.

I don’t mean to cash “aspersions” but is it possible that the pints in that pub are muck? Maybe the “lines” have been neglected for awhile?

The only time draught Guinness would come close to canned is when you’re in some hotel “function room” that, probably, hasn’t been used in months.

dennyire

Esel wrote: »

Large bottle off the shelf - your only man.

The Aul Danno

JohnnyFlash

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Find that very surprising. I drink canned Guinness the odd time but it’s never, ever, been anywhere near the “pub pulled” version.

Even the look of it, the bubbles in the head.

I don’t mean to cash “aspersions” but is it possible that the pints in that pub are muck? Maybe the “lines” have been neglected for awhile?

The only time draught Guinness would come close to canned is when you’re in some hotel “function room” that, probably, hasn’t been used in months.

Should be no bubbles in the head of a properly poured can of stout, Emmet. Your technique must be off.

c.p.w.g.w

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Find that very surprising. I drink canned Guinness the odd time but it’s never, ever, been anywhere near the “pub pulled” version.

Even the look of it, the bubbles in the head.

I don’t mean to cash “aspersions” but is it possible that the pints in that pub are muck? Maybe the “lines” have been neglected for awhile?

The only time draught Guinness would come close to canned is when you’re in some hotel “function room” that, probably, hasn’t been used in months.

The pub in question had a good reputation for pints of the Black stuff...

The buddy who now has a PhD in psychology field, who works for a some marketing company in Oz. Said the setting/environment in which you consume certain things affect our perception...

Drinking a can of Guinness at home and drinking a can of Guinness in a small pub with a roaring fire are two very different environments and can affect how we perceive it...

EmmetSpiceland

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Should be no bubbles in the head of a properly poured can of stout, Emmet. Your technique must be off.

Don’t go preaching your “inverted” nonsense now, J. You tilt, tilt, tilt both your glass and the can.

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

The pub in question had a good reputation for pints of the Black stuff...

The buddy who now has a PhD in psychology field, who works for a some marketing company in Oz. Said the setting/environment in which you consume certain things affect our perception...

Drinking a can of Guinness at home and drinking a can of Guinness in a small pub with a roaring fire are two very different environments and can affect how we perceive it...

Have to say, I’m very surprised by that. I’ll bow to, superior, scientific knowledge but I’ll still keep to trusting my own taste buds.

It’s the same with that bloody dress that was about a few years back. You’ll never convince me it’s blue and black when it is, quite clearly, white and gold.

Some people even “enjoy” eating cucumber. Can you imagine that?

c.p.w.g.w

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Its funny you say that...

My buddy ran a pub a few years back, all the regular Guinness drinkers were saying they could tell the difference between a can/draught etc

So one night before it got busy, they did a blind taste test(with 3 of these lads)...they all said that they were tricked, as both pints they tasted were from the tap...both pints were from cans...

I simply don't believe these stories, a regular Guinness drinker could simply not think a can and draught pint are the same. They are a totally different drink, even the smell is different as I said.

My father is drinking Guinness longer than most here are alive, would go to the local 2 or 3 times a week and only ever drinks Guinness but he wouldn't even look at a can, I think they are drinkable even though they aren't great but he would refuse to drink them as he thinks they are pure dirt. No way on earth can a person claim something that is so different can not be told apart in a blind taste test.

I had another poster try to claim before that a person wouldn't tell the different between Guinness and Murphys in a blind taste test, where as I could not only tell the difference but if you gave me a pint of Murphys, Beamish and Guinness I would tell you which was which with ease. Murphys is rotten so easy to tell and beamish has a distinct coffee taste so easy to tell, Guinness is just delicious then of course.

MonkstownHoop

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

It's gone a long time. Don't think it did well sales wise but have to admit I did actually like it.

Sacrilege, I know!

Some great nights had in a local pub when watching midweek games when they were trialing new ones, pub near empty and you'd get about 6 free pints

cj maxx

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Between a can of Guinness and draught Guinness? Are you joking? It would be as different to me as if you gave me a pint of coke and a pint of milk and claimed I couldn’t tell the difference. There is absolutely no comparison in taste or texture between a can of Guinness and a pint of Guinness on draught.

To be honest I would tell you by looking at them and by smelling them before ever tasting.

Blind tests done on people,ie where you can't see what you're drinking , show people can't tell beers apart on taste alone, or even texture. Idk

kenmc

Feisar wrote: »

The biggest lie/marketing scam about Guinness is that it’s somehow intrinsically Irish. A Protestant landlord brewer went over to London and came back with a stout recipe. Stout isn’t an Irish invention. Guinness wouldn’t even employ a Catholic in a management position until 1972, when I believe they were forced to.

And is owned by Diagio, an English company. The only thing Irish about it is that it's brewed in Dublin. But so is bud, carlsberg, and Heineken is brewed in cork, so they're Irish too right?

JohnnyFlash

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

one thing i have found with IPA's is Cascade Hops...Some IPA's seem to have a good blend...But some are loaded with Cascade Hops and i just find the flavour unpalatable...

Galway Hooker & Proper Job seem to both use Cascade, but for me the Proper Job has too much of it...

I love that Galway Hooker stuff. It's easy to find in pubs in Galway and Dublin, and it's low in alcohol but has a lovely taste. Would sometimes order it instead of Guinness if I was only having 5 or 6.

Big variation in price for it I've found. My local in Dublin sells it for €5.20 a pint, but one place in town wanted to charge me €6.80 for the same thing.

odyssey06

kenmc wrote: »

And is owned by Diagio, an English company. The only thing Irish about it is that it's brewed in Dublin. But so is bud, carlsberg, and Heineken is brewed in cork, so they're Irish too right?

Guinness was born in Ireland though, unlike the rest of the beers named.

Is Jameson a French whiskey?

L1011

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

The pub in question had a good reputation for pints of the Black stuff...

The buddy who now has a PhD in psychology field, who works for a some marketing company in Oz. Said the setting/environment in which you consume certain things affect our perception...

Drinking a can of Guinness at home and drinking a can of Guinness in a small pub with a roaring fire are two very different environments and can affect how we perceive it...

This is a massive factor in it. Take a look at every Dublin pub that has a reputation for a "great pint" and notice that these things are almost always there:

* Edwardian (1910s) or older interior fitout
* A bit dark
* Have fireplaces
* Often still have uniformed staff members

Not one bit of that is going to actually change the taste of the liquid in the glass; but its all going to sway people regardless.

Then the mythology builds up, we see it above with the "me father..." stuff. Are people aware that the Guinness their grandfathers or particularly aged fathers drank in the 50s was barely comparable at all to the current draught version?

EmmetSpiceland

odyssey06 wrote: »

Guinness was born in Ireland though, unlike the rest of the beers named.

Apparently, the Protestant Anglo-Irish don’t count as “Irish” to some on here.

Feisar

odyssey06 wrote: »

Guinness was born in Ireland though, unlike the rest of the beers named.

Is Jameson a French whiskey?

Arthur Guinness who was originally brewing an ale went over to London and came back with a stout recipe which became Guinness.

Beechwoodspark

L1011 wrote: »

This is a massive factor in it. Take a look at every Dublin pub that has a reputation for a "great pint" and notice that these things are almost always there:

* Edwardian (1910s) or older interior fitout
* A bit dark
* Have fireplaces
* Often still have uniformed staff members

Not one bit of that is going to actually change the taste of the liquid in the glass; but its all going to sway people regardless.

Then the mythology builds up, we see it above with the "me father..." stuff. Are people aware that the Guinness their grandfathers or particularly aged fathers drank in the 50s was barely comparable at all to the current draught version?

Mulligans is great for stout but def doesn’t fall under your description

L1011

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Mulligans is great for stout but def doesn’t fall under your description

Mulligans fits the age, the dark and the barmen wearing uniforms. I can't remember if there's fireplaces.

Beechwoodspark

L1011 wrote: »

Mulligans fits the age, the dark and the barmen wearing uniforms. I can't remember if there's fireplaces.

They don’t wear uniforms. They wear casual clothes

L1011

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

They don’t wear uniforms. They wear casual clothes

Shirt and tie is what I remember them wearing. That may have changed. That's the traditional barman uniform - I don't mean branded polo shirts!

Doesn't avoid the age and the dark. Mulligans 100% falls in to the pub that people would say had great pints even if it was serving the slops tray to you.

JohnnyFlash

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

They don’t wear uniforms. They wear casual clothes

One or two of them wear a chip on their shoulder as well.

murpho999

Feisar wrote: »

The biggest lie/marketing scam about Guinness is that it’s somehow intrinsically Irish. A Protestant landlord brewer went over to London and came back with a stout recipe. Stout isn’t an Irish invention. Guinness wouldn’t even employ a Catholic in a management position until 1972, when I believe they were forced to.

So according to you a business that was founded in Dublin is not Irish?

Also, you're confusing nationality with religion. Protestant does not mean not Irish.

Guinness is an Irish product through and through, it doesn't matter who owns the company now or where the recipe came from.

They don't claim to have invented stout but it is associated with Ireland even in London.

Lots of drinks and foods are now owned by businesses from other countries without losing their identity so what's the problem with it.

Aer Lingus and Penneys are still seen as Irish too.

I just don't get what your problem is.

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